Talk:List of Power Rangers: Operation Overdrive monsters
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[edit] Giant Sea Creature vs. Hotfoot
Why does the name change back to Giant Sea Creature? After the monster is destroyed by the Rangers, Flurious and Moltor argue on the beach where Flurious scolds Moltor saying "You were supposed to use Hotfoot to find the jewels." That confirms Hotfoot's name.
- This is apparently the name that shows up in the show credits.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 19:15, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- It also sounds like he said Hartford. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Metropod (talk • contribs) 01:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC).
Sorry I never saw the name Giant Sea Creature in the credits. Can't Hotfoot be considered the official name? There have been numerous examples where a monster is only named on screen but not on the credits (Ursus from MF and Zelzord from DT)
- Let's put an end to this whole misunderstanding. Flurious said "Hartford". The way Gerald Urqhart speaks and projects his voice with the Flurious mask made it sound like "Hotfoot".Pitstain 23:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Don't put Cheetar on here.
Cheetar came to Earth with Mig, making him a villain even if he was in one episode. If we put Cheetar here on the monster list, then he'd have change other lists too. For example, Artilla, Helicos, Juggelo and Onikage were each in only one story from Wild Force, and they're all on the Wild Force villains list page. That being said, Cheetar was a main villain on the show, even though he was only on one episode.
[edit] Zord references
Noting the certain monsters modeled after Zords, HERE.
- Moltor's
- Giant Sea Creature: Titanus
- Volcan: Galaxy Megazord
- Moltor's Zord: Centaurus Megazord
- Dragonizer: Startoforce Megazord
- Scalex: Dragonzord Fighting Mode
- Tyzonn Monster: Timeforce Megazord
- Bullox: Defender Torozord
- Lavadactyls: Dragozord
- Blothgaar: Serpenterra
- Cybernetic Rex: Quantasaurus Rex
- Magmador: Mezodon Megazord —Preceding unsigned comment added by VRTrooperFan (talk • contribs) 01:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
- Kamdor's
- Ultrog: Storm Megazord (Used a PRNS line)
- Bombardo: Thunder Megazord
- Big Mouth Monster: Artillatron
- Camera Monster: Minizord
- Amplifier Monster: V-Rex Megazord
- Hat Monster: Astro Megazord (Similar final attack)
- Datun: Zeo Ultrazord
- Junk Monster: Lightspeed Solarzord
- Kunoichi Monster: Ninja Megafalconzord
- Prince Monster: Dino Stegazord
- Golem Monster: Auric the Conqueror
- Other
- Weather Machine Monster: Replicant Zord
- Vulturus > Vulturus Maximus: Manticore Megazord > Mystic Megazord
If acceptable to give them here in discussions, will be upgraded. Fractyl 21:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for additing the new additions, VRTrooperFan. Fractyl 03:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Monster voice
The "Kunoichi Monster" sounded alot like Miratrix when she grunted and growled. Was Ria Vandervis the uncredited voice of this creature? --VRTrooperFan 18:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- Shouldn't the "Statue Monster", "Golem Monster", and "Prince Monster" technically go under Kamdor's monster list and not under the Other monster list? The Weather Machine Monster and Vulturus/Vulturus Maximus at least made some sense under the Other Monster category. Although it came from Moltor's Weather Device, the Weather Machine Monster itself was created by accident (not intent) and was therefore its own being acting seperate of the 4 factions of evil from PR:OO. Vulturus was Thrax's monster and since Thrax doesn't have a category due to being a one-time villian just for the team-up Vulturus falls into the Other category by default. With the "Statue Monster", "Golem Monster", and "Prince Monster" though they were all intentionally created and ordered by Kamdor to stop the Rangers while he claimed the Star of Isis. The only possible argument I can see for putting them in the Other category is that the monsters did not come from Sentai Kamdor's monster list, but that really is a moot point as Sentai and PR are supposed to be considered two seperate shows.172.168.211.119 06:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
That is why I put them in the Other category too. Is because they did not come from Sentai Kamdor's (AKA Yaiba's) monster list/army. --VRTrooperFan 17:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I think they should go in "other" since their monsters are created based off 2 objects and the Statue, Golem, and Prince monsters aren't based on any object.s —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.37.71.156 (talk) 23:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- Considering that PR and Sentai are supposed to be considered as two different shows I still think putting them under the "Other" category because they weren't "Yaiba's monsters" is really an irrelevant reason. It would be like going into the MMPR Season 2 monster page and seperating Zedd's monster list into two categories because his monsters from that season came from "Zyu 2's monsters" in addition to "Dairanger's monsters". From the perspective of PR those monsters were created by Kamdor and they were controlled by Kamdor so for all intents and purposes in PR they are Kamdor's monsters.172.164.105.245 17:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of the "this isn't sentai" factor, the descriptions of them can be misleading - referring to plots that happened in a show that isn't this one. The "prince monster" was sure not referred to as a prince, and the same for the "trash monster." We may know what those plots originally were, but... as it's been said, Power Rangers and Super Sentai are two separate shows. I think these things should be changed to reflect their Power Rangers usage instead of the Super Sentai plots that were not adapted. 4.226.201.127 03:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- That sounds reasonable enough to me, provided of course you can think of a suitable alternate name for those monsters. The big problem you have with those monsters you mentioned (as well as a few others) is that they were treated as generic filler in PR (unlike in Sentai). As a result they have no official names, so in order to differentiate them from the other generic monsters we often have to name them either based on the costume's physical appearance (aka "Trash Monster" looks like its made of various pieces of garbage) or loosely based on what Sentai showed (aka "Prince Monster"). It kind of sucks, but at least basing a PR monster's name off of a Sentai monster's name/appearance/plot isn't quite as major or as bad as deciding what faction each PR monster goes with because of what a Sentai monster's faction/plot showed.172.134.214.209 05:27, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Serious Article Considerations
We need to seriously consider the future of this page it terms of how we are going to have it structured. This season (unlike previous seasons of PR) has presented a unique problem by having more than one or two main antgonists working on seperate teams. One of the biggest problems we face this season is what constitutes as a monster for one faction, but not for another. While most of them are clear, there are a few that smudge the lines:
Weather Machine Monster - Technically created by Moltor, but was not controlled by anyone (aka a rogue monster). Flurious' Robot - Technically created by Flurious, but piloted by the Fearcats. Dragonizor - Technically created by Moltor, but piloted (at least in part) by Flurious. Statue Monster - Technically created by Kamdor, but is not from Yaiba's Sentai monster list. Golem Monster - Technically created by Kamdor, but is not from Yaiba's Sentai monster list. Prince Monster - Technically created by Kamdor, but is not from Yaiba's Sentai monster list. Agrios - Technically created by the Fearcats, but is not a traditional Fearcats zord-like robot.
We either need to come up with an agreed upon set of rules for what does and doesn't constitute a monster going into which list or eliminate the seperate faction lists altogether and have a standard list like previous seasons. If we don't this page will become nothing but an endless edit war as everyone has their own opinion as to what goes where. As far as rules go, here is what I was thinking of:
- Leave anything that may or may not have been shown as true in Sentai out of deciding where Power Ranger monsters go. Both shows should be considered just that, two seperate shows. Monsters should be placed according to what is shown in Power Rangers, not based on what happened in Sentai.
- If a monster is self-aware it should be placed in which faction it is working for (regardless who created it).
- In the event that a self-aware monster is rogue (not with any faction - regardless who created it) it should be placed in Other.
- In the event that a self-aware monster is being controlled by a faction against their will (an example of this being the Tyzonn Monster or Agrios) it should be placed in the faction that is controlling it.
- In the event that a self-aware monster is working for someone not part of the main factions (an example being Thrax) it should be placed in Other.
- If a monster is zord-like (no consciousness) it should be placed with the faction who built it, not nessacerily the faction who controlled it. (Technically we could also go the other route - have the monster go into the faction that controlled it, but not nessacerily the faction who built it.)
Anyone else have any further suggestions or agrees with me?172.163.163.88 12:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree with all these. However, if some people continue changing it, I believe we may just have to scrap the fractions and make one huge list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.37.71.156 (talk) 21:04, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Owl Monster
Since it was technically Miratrix trasformed, I don't really think she counts as being a monster here, and it should just be mentioned on her profile on the villains page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.37.71.146 (talk) 04:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Considering thats how all previous season's "main villian transformations into a MOTD" (Master Org's final form, Mesogog as the Mesomonster, etc.) have been treated I concur with your conclusion.172.130.10.253 17:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Relisting
I wish to list the monsters entirely in a chronology rather than in faction groups, because listing them in there factions is unencyclopedic and pointless. I wish to list the monsters entirely in chronological order like the other monster lists. Mythdon (talk) 04:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- I wouldn't exactly call it "unencyclopedic and pointless." In my opinion the faction groupings make it a tad bit easier to locate specific monster information due to each grouping's smaller size. If one knows which villian a particular monster worked for or if one is only interested in just one particular group's monsters they can simply skip to that section. By making the list entirely chronological you'd have to scan the entire page to find out who worked who, which could be a bit more difficult as its a bit harder to remember one specific episode title and its chronological placement rather than say one reoccuring villian name. In addition, it isn't like there is no chronology involved on this page. Under each faction list if you notice the monsters are listed in a chronological order based on when that faction used said monster.172.129.190.41 (talk) 06:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
