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Was Izz al-Din al-Muqaddasi (d. 1280) from Jerusalem? I assume so from his name. - Mustafaa 18:45, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Kiran Banerjee

Does anyone know who the above (added by User:162.83.246.212) is referring to? Banerjee is primarily a Bengali surname and the only one I could near Chicago is Prith Banerjee of the University of Illinois, who does not appear to be Palestinian. I've left the entry for now, but will delete it in a couple of days if it's not clarified. Juko 20:22, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] BLASPHEMY

Somebody is listing Jesus Christ as a Palestinian. That person seems to ignore that Jesus Christ was a JEWISH RABBI and was acclaimed by his followers as the KING OF ISRAEL, being of the royal line of Israeli kings. So stop listing him as Palestinian, that's a blasphemy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.126.224.158 (talk) 09:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

It's most certainly not blasphemy. But if he is listed, it should be with a source that describes him as Palestinian. There are some people who do hold that view of him, and not just Palestinian Christians themselves. As I wrote to you below, I may re-add the entry one day if I do go looking about for sources, with a footnote of course that explains on what basis he is listed here. Thanks for your comments. Tiamuttalk 20:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Samaritan

Samaritan JUDAISM is the religion of Samaritan Hebrews, people that are not palestinians but Israelites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.126.224.158 (talk) 17:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Please read the article on Palestinian people. The Samartian community worldwide number some 700 people. Half of them live in Nablus as Palestinian citizens, where they have lived for thousands of years. The other half moved to Holon in Israel after the 1967 war. They can most definitely be included in a list of Palestinians and in a list of Israelis too. I don't see why we should delete this information from here. Where else are the Samaritans to be covered if not here and at Israeli-related pages? So please stop deleting this information. Thanks. Tiamuttalk 17:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I've sent you a message to your user talk page. If you find in any history book that Samaritans are palestinians, or if you find this in the Gospels, please let me know. Citizenship means nothing, most Jews are not Israeli citizens. By the way, that person who includes Jesus Christ, adds "Our Creator". Such statement is highly arguable and cannot be considered an impartial comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.126.224.158 (talk) 17:54, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

First of all, the Gospels are not a reliable source here at Wikipedia for historical information. And citizenship is in fact one of the ways in which modern people identify themselves these days. By that measure of identity, half the Samaritans in the world are Palestinians. You might also want to read the article I directed you to. If you had, you would have seen that many Samaritans identify as Palestinian and that some Muslim families in Nablus have Samaritan roots.
In any case, I don't really want to argue Bible history with you. If you notice, I did not restore Jesus to the listing again (though I might one day, if I find a source that describes him as Palestinian, since here at Wikipedia, we write articles based on what the reliable sources say, and not just what we believe to be true).
For now however, I'm not willing to WP:edit war over this and since you keep deleting the entry, that's the only thing that can happen if I respond by continuing to restore the information now. So, I encourage you to think of better ways to express your opinions, in a way more respectful to other people around you. While it looks only like pixels on a screen, there are living, breathing human beings typing these words and adding content to these pages, so it would be nice if you could interact with respect for the viewpoints of others here as well and not be so trigger-happy with the deletions buttons. Thanks and I hope there are no hard feelings about the frankness of my reply. Tiamuttalk 18:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
I have followed this argument. Actually, there are NO sources about Jesus Christ except the Gospels. Christians are mentioned by historians of the first century as Josephus Flavius, Pliny or Eusebius, and were considered by them a Jewish sect, but no mention of the historical Jesus Christ, therefore, you cannot find any other source except the Gospel. In any case, if you do not consider the Gospel as a reliable source, how can you admit the comment "Our Creator"? That's indeed a statement based on belief and not on science or history. Concerning the Palestinian issue, you cannot find any source in which such name is mentioned before the second century CE, and no Palestinian people at all in that time. Roman documents mention Jews, Samaritans, Greeks and other peoples as inhabitants of Judea, Samaria and Galilee, but no Palestinians or Arabs. Only Jews fought the Roman occupation of the land, as you can read in "Jewish Wars" by Josephus Flavius, considered the most creditable historian of the Holy Land during the first century CE. Definitely, Jesus Christ was not a Palestinian at all, as it was impossible as to be North-American by that time. Also Samaritans existed then, and they were not Palestinians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.29.2.157 (talk) 20:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
You seem to be confused about a few things. First of all, I did not add the Jesus, Our Creator entry. I mistakenly restored it after you deleted it along with the Samaritan entries, but I only did that once, for reasons I have explained to you above.
Second, I should have been clearer about the Gospels. They are not a reliable source for establishing incontrovertible historical facts, but we can use the Gospels as long as we preface the sentence by .... "According to the Gospels," ....
Third, you are misinformed about the use of "Palestinian". Please actually do read the article on Palestinian people. There you will find that Herodotus referred to the people of Palestine as Palestinian-Syrians as early as the 4th century. "Palestinian" is also commonly used in other historical texts before the establishment of Israel in 1948. That some Christian Zionists don't like to accept this information because it contradicts with their belief system doesn't mean these are not facts.
Again, many Samaritans were integrated into the Palestinain population. As I explained to you above, a number of Palestinian Muslim families in Nablus have family names that indicate Samaritan ancestry. In any case, I don't see why we are continuing this discussion since it is only barely related to the article's improvement. If I decide to bring sources to the table that establish the facts in question and move to reinclude the information you have deleted, we can discuss then. Right now, we're just pissing in the wind really. Thanks. Tiamuttalk 20:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not the same person with whom you began the discussion, so I don't have your messages. In the case of the "Palestine" thing, what is an incontrovertible fact is that the Palestinian people that today is identified as such (an Arab people) did not exist in those times in that region. I don't care of Christian Zionists, and I'm not a Christian nor a Jew either. --88.29.2.157 (talk) 21:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)Marco--88.29.2.157 (talk) 21:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


Do Elazar ben Tsedaka ben Yitzhaq and Saloum Cohen sound Arabic? They are undoubtedly Jewish names. Samaritans are of Jewish origin, not Arab, therefore, they are not palestinians. If you consider them palestinians by birthplace, then you must exclude yasser Arafat, as he was Egyptian. It's not a birthplace issue, but ethnic. Samaritans are not palestinians, in the same way as Jews are not palestinians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.126.224.158 (talk) 08:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)