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1 Dominated?
2 Disgusting
3 Merge proposal
4 Suggestion

[edit] Dominated?

What exactly is understood by dominated? Where they had any influence? This term is very broad, and clearly not neutral. Crimea was autonomous. Moldova and Wallachia paid tribute to the Sublime Porte, but were never in the Empire (the Sultan had no power, the army was not restricted, religion was not imposed, foreign relations were allowed, etc). If we go by tribute or vassalship, well, In the Hundred Years War, the English king was a vassal of the French King. Is it normal to show England as part of France?! And I see some flaws in the dates...

Indeed, this article doesn't seem to make any difference between basic notions such as independence, autonomy, vassality or pashaluk. Strongly POV--Alex:Dan 11:48, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disgusting

Could someone please help me clean up this article and set up at least some sort of criteria for the territories? --PaxEquilibrium 20:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

What's there to fix? It all seem wrong and if someone like me would try to fix it, they'll block me. As a hint: Moldavia and Wallachia were not counted as conquered countries, but only as vassals, which means they were not part of the Ottoman Empire. That is, if we are to believe the treaties between the Porte and the Two Principalities. Additionally, the period in which they were completely independent from the Porte varies a lot, but I can tell you that it did not happen in 1412. It seems that this article has been written by people with complete lack of knowledge and respect for the subject. --Thus Spake Anittas 15:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, see below. Also someone will block you if you try to fix what the..??? --PaxEquilibrium 12:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

I agree with the complaints above. What does "dominated" mean? The material here has use but should be merged with (moved to) Subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire and Vassal and tributary states of the Ottoman Empire. — AjaxSmack 05:33, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Second. --PaxEquilibrium 12:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I support your suggestion. --Thus Spake Anittas 13:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed --Alex:Dan 21:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree an support your suggestion. Mirc mirc 17:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Who is going to perform the task of adding apples (Subdivisions) and oranges (States) by moving a ""territorial list"" on a """administrative structure""". It seems, the people who vote on this proposal did not gave enough consideration on what they are voting for. :-)) Territory - Administrative are two different beasts. --Rateslines 13:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Think again: the influence of the Otoman Empire was extended over both its vilayets/elayets/sanjaks/pashaluks (subdivisions) and tributary/vassal states... --Alex:Dan 20:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion

Can I make a suggestion? I believe the territories should be listed following the cronological order they were incorporated into the Empire (instead of alphabethical). When people look after lists of conquered territories, they are usually preoccupied with researching on the stages of the growth of the Empire, and, in such cases, a chronological order comes out much more practical. I could take the time to put it on chronological order, myself, if you agree to my suggestion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diplodoco (talk • contribs) 21:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)