Talk:List of North American Muslims

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[edit] Michael Jackson?

As far as I understand there is no official confirmation that Michael Jackson has converted to Islam - where does this information come from? -Seems to be an article from early 2006 citing Jermaine Jackson saying it's likely he may become a Muslim. There's no evidence whatsoever of this, but Jackson is apparently quite impressed that billions worship a pedophie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.85.89 (talk) 04:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

I have sourced the list in accordance with Wikipedia's Original Research and Verifiability policies. Basically, anyone described by a reliable source as "Muslims" or "Muslim-American" is on the list. Here are the few people I couldn't find anything for. If you have a reliable source that fits that please restore the names:

Mad Jack O'Lantern 18:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mushin Muhammad

Removed. According to http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/87890,CST-SPT-moose08.article, his father changed the name when Mushin was four.

[edit] Yousef al-Khattab

Removed, as this person was deleted from Wikipedia because he is non-notable.

[edit] Removed the list of "terrorists"

1. The list was derogatory and is not something "notable" about Muslims as a whole, this page was meant for accomplishments and a sense of pride, not to put down a religion.

2. If you want to call those invididuals terrorists then we should open a page of "Christian terrorists" and include Bush, Charlemagne, and many others. I do not want to do this because it would be a POV war, and this is not what wikipedia is about.

3. I will however compromise if you decide to make a "terrorist" list for every other list of North Americans out there, that way we can have a balanced playing field, but to throw out a "terrorist list" on a page dedicated to Muslims in America, is more than islamophobia, it's inciting hatred and not necissary, nor does it pertain to the religion.

Lastly, feel free to make a wikipedia section entitled "Radical Muslims" or "Terrorist Muslims" and list names until your blue in the face, but to slam something like that on a list of American Muslims was very inappropriate. If you have a problem with this, message me. Haramzadi 06:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. Wikipedia is about neither enhancing Muslim pride nor putting down Islam. If there are biographical articles in Wikipedia that describe their subject as 1) American, 2) Muslim, and 3) a convicted terrorist, and they're numerous to warrant their own subcat, I see no reason to disinclude such a subcategory. Likewise, someone like Tim McVeigh would totally belong in an American anti-federalist terrorist category... if only I could figure out who else would be in the category with him. Ford MF 04:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
It is wrong to deny the fact that after 9/11 there is indeed a racial bias and xenophobic stereotype of American muslims in the U.S. Find one other list of individuals who are labeled as "terrorists". As I said, put a list of terrorists under every "list" of people and then this one can be re-added. Until then, if the "Muslim terrorist list" comes back, I plan on making a Christian terrorist list which will include Hitler, Bush, Charlemagne, and many others. Since terrorism goes against Islam, it is contradictory to put up a list of "terrorist muslims" as it implies that Islam condones terrorism which it doesn't. Haramzadi 05:29, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I am in no way opposed to a cat for Christian terrorists. However, given that none of your primary suggestions have entries that even mention the word "terrorist", I imagine it might be a difficult category to populate at present. Radical Islam and its embrace of terrorism--contentious though it may be--is not an illegitimate line of inquiry. Ford MF 05:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


The coining of "terrorism" and it's correlation to Islam is a POV. Many people around the world see the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the 600,000 murdered Iraqis, and U.S foriegn policy as "acts of American terrorism" or "acts of Christian terrorism". Some americans see these acts as "liberation" or "essential for American security". Many see the attacks done by radical islamic groups as "freedom fighting efforts" or "in response to American violence", so these are POVs. If we want to get technical, both me and you know the stigma and stereotypes in the media placed on Islamic individuals who engage in war. One can bomb an Iraqi city with napalm (MK-77) on behalf of America and call it "liberation" whilst an IED in response to this act would be deemed "terrorism" by most news sources, such is a POV. As far as this article, it is a list of Muslim Americans. To add a list of so-called "terrorists" would only further increase the generalizing and stereotyping of Muslims in America, as well as an unneeded emphasis on "terrorism" and "islam", as if there isn't enough emphasis on this biased correlation already. As I said, I am not up for a PoV war, but if theres going to be a list of "terrorists" under this religous list, then there should be one for every list, as I can think of quite a few individuals and leaders who have committed crimes that most people overlook as "politics", yet are quick to judge men in ski masks who bomb roads because their country is occupied. Again, I have no problem with you making such a list under Islamic fundamentalism, but not under a legitimate article that is supposed to represent a religion, terrorism is not part of Islam, as you said, just the "radicals" engage in it. Haramzadi 00:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • First off, alleged terrorists really have no place in this list - an encyclopedia is for facts, not allegations. Second, note how every other section lists Muslims by profession, not by a crime committed; as such, the section violates the "undue weight" principle of WP:NPOV, in that it implies that terrorism is a common role for Muslims. >Radiant< 09:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tupac was not Muslim

Tupac Shakur was not Muslim -- Hasafienda 21:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] missing people

what about Malcolm X and Kareem Abdul Jabbar?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.205.174.220 (talk) 20:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Add

Ahmad Brooks (NFL Player) Charles Ali (NFL Player) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahador (talk • contribs) 18:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC)