Talk:List of National Heroes of Indonesia

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[edit] earlier comments

Some occupations in this list seeem odd in that they do not reflect what the people are known as now - surely Dahlan should be 'founder of ...? SatuSuro 13:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Please change them. I made the list and tried to add some information on those who did not have pages, but I may have misunderstood or mistranslated information I gathered from pages in Dutch or Indonesian. Rigadoun (talk) 16:50, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to try to write some English-language entries on the people mentioned herein. Not immediately, though; something I'm planning for the future. RahadyanS 16:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed the cleanup tag. I don't think we need any cleanup there. Peace. --Nielswik(talk) 15:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up

I'm in the process of compiling an up-to-date and referenced list of Pahlawan Nasional. I have a number of books, but it is difficult to find recent lists. The main http://www.tokohindonesia.com/pemuka/pahlawan/index.shtml reference is more up to date than my printed sources, but I have found another site http://www.kalteng.go.id/INDO/Pahlawan.htm that has more. I also plan to reshuffle the alphabetical order based on how people are commonly referred to (eg Ngurah Rai, I Gusti rather than I Gusti Ngurah Rai and Kartini, Raden Ayu rather than Raden Ayu Kartini) to make it easier to find people in the list. I am aware there is a danger of subjectivity here, so please post any comments or suggestions. Davidelit (talk) 15:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. It really needs work. --Merbabu (talk) 03:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cleaned Up

I have made some dramatic changes to this page as follows

Cross-checked all names against printed sources (phew!)
Checked later names against website (which is in agreement with my printed sources on pre-1996 details)
Added fact tags to claims of recent heroic status I was unable to find references to, eg Rizal Nurdin

My aim was to make the article non-POV by removing people on the list because they "are widely seen as a national hero" or other such claim. This means that even Abdul Haris Nasution had to go, much to my surprise. Davidelit (talk) 15:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I am continuing to add details to the names on this list. I am considering removing uncited names once I'm done. Any objections anyone? Davidelit (talk) 17:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for all the good work. I suppose if you can't find corroboration that they were an official National Hero then they should not be here. On ones that have articles, you may want to see if there is a citation there. Better than deleting, though, unless you're reasonably sure they aren't, may be to put them in <!---comment brackets---> as that way they can be added more easily if a source can be found. You may also want to clean up the category Category:National Heroes of Indonesia to reflect the documentation here. Thanks! Rigadoun (talk) 19:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)