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[edit] Allelujah's Eyes

I don't think the color of Allelujah's pupils change when his alternate personality surfaces. If you watch closely, he shifts his hair from one side of his face to the other. I suspect that his left eye is gray/blue, and his right eye is yellow, and his hair will always cover one side of his face. I won't change it yet, in case there's footage that contradicts my theory, but let me know what you guys think. 68.148.224.47 21:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I've carefully reviewed the footage frame-by-frame. In all instances, Allelujah's left iris is shown as grey and his right iris is golden. I will edit the page to reflect this, but (of course), if anyone finds an instance that contradicts this feel free to change it back. 24.18.141.57 08:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I was the one who put in the color change, but I wrote it that way because I totally didn't catch the hairstyle-change. -Pan Sola 20:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I only checked because you mentioned the color change in the first place. 68.148.224.47 07:51, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kurdish Republic

I don't think it's appropriate to link Kurdistan from this until more reliable evidence surfaces in the series... --Koveras ☭ 12:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

On the official website (http://www.gundam00.net/character/index.html), Setsuna's profile states:

内戦が続く中東のクルジス共和国で生まれ育った運命の少年兵。接近戦型ガンダムエクシアのパイロット。 私設武装組織ソレスタルビーイングのガンダムマイスターとして世界紛争撲滅のための作戦行動に従事していく。他者との馴れ合いを嫌い、自分の感情を表に出さないクールな少年。16歳という実年齢より幼く見える。

クルジス共和国 = Kurdish Republic. (Corrected as Pan Sola suggests.) Fallacies 12:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Um, "クルジス" = Kurdish, "共和国" = Republic. Where did you get "People's" from? -Pan Sola 20:53, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Also, "Kurdistan" is "クルディスタン" in Japanese Wikipedia. I would think a romanization of the word "Kurdish" would've been "クルディス" or perhaps "クルディシュ" or something, and not use a "ジ" (zi) to represent the "di" that typically is represented by "ディ". It'd be useful in the discussion to have reference of an instance where something phonetically pronounces as "di" is represented with "ジ" in Japanese (or something that shows the "d" in "Kurd" should more like a "z" in the original language). -Pan Sola 21:00, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
The "Kurdish republic" in question seems purely fictional. Kurdistan article isn't an article on a country. -- Cat chi? 21:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
I think we all know it's fictional. The question is whether it's a real reference of the Kurds... actually, now that I think about it, even if the link is proven, the proper wiki link should probably be Kurd, the people/culture/identity and not Kurdistan the specific region. -Pan Sola 21:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
No what I mean is there is no Kurdish country at the moment. And yes After all Kurdistan is a controversial term unlike Kurdish people. How important is this to the story though? -- Cat chi? 21:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
I personally think subtly (via linking) pointing out any real-world reference (if they can be confirmed) is relevant. -Pan Sola 21:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. -- Cat chi? 21:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shinn

Removed reference to Shinn; this is a new series, folks. In addition, such "resemblance" is up to discussion, and therefore shouldn't be presented as fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.200.181.98 (talk) 00:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Moreover, such statements are original research. --Koveras ☭ 06:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Moreover, the character Setsuna resembles is CLEARLY Yagami Light, from DeathNote. ^.^ 68.148.224.47 07:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Having been discovered by Celestial Being at the age of 14 for having special potential as a pilot,

Is that inferred from the show or explicitly told somewhere? From my perspective, all that can be confirmed was that at age of 14 10, he was saved by "Gundam 0" (not sure if the organization Celestial Being even existed at that time), and at age of 16 he is a pilot. I don't know when his potential was discovered. I don't know whether Gundam 0 took him in on the day it saved him, or if he chased the Gundam to a local hideout and pleaded Gundam 0's pilot to take him in or a dozen other possible scenarios of how he might've joined. -Pan Sola 21:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The scene at the beginning of the first episode where he is saved by Gundam 0 takes place in 2301, making him ten at that time. Veejilante 23:00, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the correction. I have modified my question accordingly. -Pan Sola 22:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Übermensch Research Center

Is Übermensch a valid translation for Choujin? Fallacies 08:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An entry redesign concept

Setsuna F. Seiei (刹那・F・セイエイ?)

Voiced by: Mamoru Miyano
Age: 16
Height: 162 cm
Weight: 49 kg
Bloodtype: A
Birthdate: Apr. 7, 2291
Birthplace: Kurdish Republic
Unit: GN-001 Gundam Exia
Having been discovered by Celestial Being at the age of 14 for having special potential as a pilot, he is currently a Gundam Meister for their organization. He can be described as taciturn and comes off as a knowledgeable young man. Resides in Japan when not on Celestial Being duties. Episode 7 of the anime reveals that Setsuna's real name may be Sora or Soran, and that he murdered his own mother under Sarshes' influence.
Lockon Stratos (ロックオン・ストラトス?)
Voiced by: Shinichiro Miki [1]
Age: 24
Height: 185 cm
Weight: 67 kg
Bloodtype: O
Birthdate: Mar. 3, 2283
Birthplace: Ireland
Unit: GN-002 Gundam Dynames
Decided to join Celestial Being after losing his parents to terrorists in Ireland. He is the eldest pilot and team leader of the Gundam Meisters. He owns an orange Haro.[2]

To compress the vertical length of the article. Thoughts? Or too messy? It wouldn't be applied everywhere, obviously, as certain sections have insufficient content to justify use of the format, and others have pictures (like above Setsuna's actual entry) that make the table have a bad fit.
Fallacies (talk) 19:52, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Some of those details might be too detailed for the scope of WP maybe? -Pan Sola (talk) 01:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
To elaborate, things like Birthplace would be probably relevant as some have plot significance, but blood type does not improve our understanding of the characters unless their personalities closely follows the stereotypes in Japanese culture (kind of like Zodiacs, but more general). Age helps put certain relationships and actions/reactions in perspective, but the exact birthdate doesn't really do much. Height and weight also don't seem to matter unless someone is extraordinarily thin or tall etc. Just my 2 cents. After most of the bullet items are removed, the need to compress space would be greatly reduced. -Pan Sola (talk) 01:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Removed some of the bullets. I think listing a birthdate is alright -- I get a better feel of the relative date, moreso than from the contentless Age field. Fallacies (talk) 04:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Echo Corone in Gundam 00F

Is it okay to put the guy in the page? I mean, he wasn't listed as one of the characters in Gundam 00F. Ominae (talk) 08:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, if he's in it, then he might as well be listed?
Fallacies (talk) 14:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Romanization of Names

What's the romanization rule on Chinese names appearing in Japanese fiction? Do we look at the kanji and figure out how it would've been romanized in Mandarin pronouncation, or do we just romanize the Japanese pronunciation of the name? "Wang Liu Mei" and "Wan Ryūmin" don't quite sound the same... -Pan Sola 23:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Eh, the original entry was fine. I don't know that such a rule exists, but I modified the language tag to include most of the information you would really need. -Fallacies (talk) 04:21, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I would like to know it's fine according to what? It's obviously not how her name is being pronounced in the anime. Those Chinese characters would have different pronunciations depending on if you read it in Mandarin or Cantonese (or one of the many other dialects). I'll settle for any official reference of her name in English, but if we don't have that, assuming her name should be pronounced in any particular dialect of Chinese might count as original research? -Pan Sola (talk) 01:41, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
What is used in the current article entry is the standard Wade-Giles romanization of the actual characters in her name, independently verifiable by anybody with familiarity of the system -- it isn't quite under the umbrella of original research. It would be original research if somebody was claiming that "Wang Liu Mei is the official romanization of her name" -- and that isn't the case. Corrections can be made to emphasize this, but what's there shouldn't be invalidated.
If Wan Ryuumin is recognized to be the "correct" romanization of her name, then shouldn't we assume the same for Gurahamu Eikaa, Saji Kurosuroudo, Kurisutina Shiera, Patorikku Kourasawaa, or Serugei Sumirunofu? Isn't standardizing all these names to English spellings "original research" since no canon English names for these characters exist in the materials thus far published or broadcasted?
Relevantly, the Japanese wiki uses "Wang Liu-Min" (partial Wade-Giles romanization) without citation. The official program site alternatively writes the characters according to the real-life standard format of Chinese-to-Japanese used in Japan, rendering it Wan Ryumin. This is typically done in the understanding that it's an approximation of whatever the actual pronunciation of the name is in the native dialect, but in this case the person in question isn't really Chinese -- no "original dialect" exists.
Note that Wade-Giles is a fairly standardized romanization format throughout the Chinese-speaking global community, and that the most viable replacement otherwise is Pinyin, as opposed to Cantonese. Also, Mandarin is state-official a "common dialect" in all Chinese speaking regions besides Hong Kong (where Cantonese is recognized as the de facto variant). It boils down to whether we believe she's actually Chinese, or if the language has survived without significant change into the 24th century.
In any case, I feel that what's there now is "fine" because the current romanization information in the article includes both the Wade-Giles and the actual Japanese pronunciation. If you feel a need, make a note specifying the Japanese to be "official" next to the name information of *all* the characters listed. Or simply make one at the top of the page. I don't know that it's necessary. Bandai will eventually license an official translation, in which case corrections will have to be made anyways.
Fallacies (talk) 04:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ian Vasty

He is the main engineer of Celestial Being and the former chief engineer of AEU.

Where is this shown or stated?
Fallacies 14:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

It is stated in the issue of Hobby Japan with the first episode of 00V. - Iron2000 (talk) 02:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Please scan or provide an image of the article.
Fallacies (talk) 03:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] President Brian

"President Brian works and lives in the White House."

Does he really work and live in the white house? Look in Episode 2 at 0:06:05, when the president is looking out of the window. He is standing clearly at an elevated position, from where he can see far and look down on the trees. Also compare the view on the surrounding skyscrapers. The white house on the other hand is a smaller building, with only two floor above ground. Seems to me like President Brian is not in the white house, but in the larger building behind it that you can see at 0:05:51. From that position, he could overlook the White House and it's park. Thoughts? -Andromedos

[edit] Alejandro Corner and Libbons Almack

It appears that Alejandro and Libbons are related to the Trinity siblings and the Gundam Thrones. Although not official, there are hints which supports it. In episode 16, Alejandro seems to be persuading the other CB members to accept the Gundam Thrones, and he smiled when the other observers accepts them. In episode 18, when the crew of Ptolemaios were talking about the possiblity that Veda was hacked, Libbons' image was shown. Does anyone agree that the might be related to the Trinity siblings and Gundam Thrones? (142.232.8.5 (talk) 00:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Veda

Given that Veda is an AI, shouldn't it be considered a character and thus listed her rather than merely being given brief mentions in other characters' profiles? 71.203.209.0 (talk) 06:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I would agree with this when/if they ever show Veda thinking/speaking. Until then Veda is really just a tool that is used by the team. 69.243.158.192 (talk) 16:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trinity as part of Celestial Being

Can it be confirmed that Trinity is actually part of Celestial Being and/or that the Trinity siblings are in fact (as the article claims) a "second team of Gundam Meisters". I have added a fact tag to this claim, as the article provides no source.

Setsuna and the other Meisters actually doubt Trinity's allegiances as well, and the last episode in which they attacked civilians unprovokedly seems to have only furthered this conclusion. At very least, Veda was hacked as this is stated by Johann, Tieria, and a few other characters in Episode 19. If they are part of Celestial Being, why would they need to hack their own computer? Why would Veda not have data on their units if they are part of 'the plan'? What about the sinister UN guy that obviously has some sort of stolen Celestial Being technology? For all we know, Alejandro Corner = Ragna and he is manipulating the Trinity family into doing his dirty work (such as killing Aifman once he learned too much and taking out his political enemies such as Louise's parents).

Until such time that either the series confirms that they are part of Celestial Being or someone can provide a source to it, I believe they should be considered a separate faction. 69.243.158.192 (talk) 04:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Please leave the current names as they are, unless you have obtained any official statement or source that corrects them, as the current names are official (Aker, Tsery, Ribbons, Saachez etc etc). 165.21.154.91 (talk) 14:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List name

As per the AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Gundam 00 Characters, this article has been renamed to the proper name of List of Mobile Suit Gundam 00 characters. This is in keeping with the anime/manga project and general Wikipedia naming conventions. Collectonian (talk) 01:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Then what about Universal Century, After War or After Colony characters.... why don't you fix? --staka (T ・C) 02:52, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Good question....I've posted the issue at the anime and manga project, as it seems the issue with Gundam article names is much more far reaching than just this one. Collectonian (talk) 04:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Alright. --staka (T ・C) 13:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

I have marked Setsuna F. Seiei‎, Lockon Stratos, Allelujah Haptism, and Tieria Erde. These articles fails WP:FICT and WP:NOTE and do not contain any out-of-universe information. They are primarily plot summaries, which fails WP:NOT, and contain no reliable third-party sources. --Farix (Talk) 11:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Support all. They may be major characters, but as said, they fail WP:FICT and do not meet the requirements for having their own articles. Collectonian (talk) 18:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't agree. I feel that there is too much information on these characters that would only lengthen the already long character page. If people still feel that these pages should be merged back, instead why not a single page for all of the meisters be created. --MissEzri (talk) 23:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
We may improve the articles to meet WP:FICT by adding citations, add more less in-universe info. --staka (T ・C) 23:34, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Which is why I've brought up the merge proposal instead of just s-merging it outright. There may be a possibility that there are reliable third-party sources for out-of-universe information. However, if those sources are not going to be presented in a timely manner, then the articles should be merged/redirected. But even so, the plot details in the character article are already in need of some serious trimming. Plot summaries should be as concise as possible, hitting only the main points. We should do our best to avoid creating articles which are mostly a plot summaries in the first place. --Farix (Talk) 00:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
While I certainly don't agree on merging the four pages back into the "main" character page for reasons of largeness and general disorganization, a compromise of a "Gundam Meisters" page as suggested above would certainly work as it wouldn't be as long and still be organized enough, I think. If the lack of noteworthy information each by itself is, I assume, the problem here that is. King Arthur6687 (talk) 10:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Well add history of how the characters were designed for the series.. those informations are considered as out-of-universe? If Gundam Meisters page will be created, then also write about the Gundam pilot ranks even though that is still in-universe. --staka (T ・C) 21:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
A lot of the Universal Century and Cosmic Era characters have their own articles. Why not the Anno Domini characters?Shaneymike (talk) 14:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
The existence of one mess does not give a pass to creating other messes. --Farix (Talk) 17:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I do not support, there have been numerous third party articles about the four gundam pilots of 00 in Japanese magazines and online. Its just hard to cite because its in Japanese, take a look a Japanese wiki for more info you know Japanese.--Finalnight (talk) 19:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Can you provide the names of the magazines along with the volume, issue, and page numbers of the articles? As for sources used by the Japanese Wiki, I only see one that will fit as a third-party source, but it appears to be about the show itself and doesn't say anything about characters. --Farix (Talk) 22:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Do not support. Nearly all Code Geass' main characters have their own page, but is Code Geass more prominent or noteworthy than Gundam? Speaks for itself. As for the real world notability, the Meisters have been appearing on posters, toys and Seiyuus have won awards for their potrayal of Gundam 00 characters. Isn't that notable enough? Joppyhoppy (talk) 03:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Allelujah Haptism

I feel that Allelujah Haptism should remain its own page. The page hasn't had many updates recently due to the lack of development in the series currently. But he remains a main character and there is enough information for him to maintain his own page.--MissEzri (talk) 13:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Being a main character does not, in and of itself, mean he meets the WP:N and WP:FICT requirements for having his own article. Can you point to extensive real-world, third party discussion of the character that would justify his having an article? Collectonian (talk) 18:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anno Domini characters template

Hey everybody, I just started an Anno Domini characters template just like they have for Universal Century and Cosmic Era. Feel free to add more characters to it as soon as they have their own article.

v • d • e
Anno Domini characters
Celestial Being
Gundam Meisters
Other members
Union
Human Reform League
AEU / PMC Trust
Kingdom of Azadistan
Civilians

Shaneymike (talk) 14:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I moved it to Template:Anno Domini characters, but creating the template was probably a mistake.. since the merge proposal is still on. --staka (T ・C) 16:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I noticed that after I created the template. Darn! Shaneymike (talk) 17:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm thinking we should convert it back to just one group, Celestial Being, seeing as how all the characters that have articles thus far are from that group. Eventually, we may want to start one for Sumeragi and maybe even Aeolia Schenberg. Hell, they have one for George Glenn from Gundam SEED. Like the Universal Century and Cosmic Era Templates, I think we should designate the characters according to what group they belong to; whether it be CB, the Union, AEU, HRL, etc. Shaneymike (talk) 13:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry.. you may place Team Trinity back into Celestial Being group. However, since each individual person of Team Trinity do not have their own article, make it [[Team Trinity]] rather than [[Team Trinity|Nena Trinity]] etc. It looks odd.. when three characters are bolded on one article. --staka (T ・C) 16:12, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Depending on how big of a role she plays later in the series, we may want to create an individual page for Nena Trinity. But that's only if her role is on par with let's say Reccoa Londe or Flay Allster. Shaneymike (talk) 13:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Team Trinity

Hi, I recently changed some of this section around--I removed the three character bios of the Trinity Team from the latter part of this article, and instead just mentioned the names of the three characters in the first line, since all of the character bios are copy and pasted over from the main Team Trinity article. SilentmanX (talk · contribs) has reverted these changes.

I am now seeking consensus on how to proceed from here. Either we should place Team Trinity up for deletion and keep the character bios in this article, or we should place very limited (or no) bios on this page, and work to improve the Team Trinity page. Hobbeslover talk/contribs 00:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Since Team Trinity is like the second most important group in the series after Gundam Meisters, this list of characters may have an intro of the group, and the rest of the information copy to and edit in Team Trinity. --staka (T ・C) 16:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Character Articles

I know there is talk about merging the articles for the four Gundam meisters. My beef with that is most of the major Universal Century and Cosmic Era characters have their own individual articles. So far, the only Anno Domini characters who have articles are the Gundam Meisters and Team Trinity. I hope to see more articles for individual characters in the near future. I'd do it myself if I had enough information, but right now I'm sadly lacking. Some other characters who I think deserve an article are Ali Al-Saachez, Graham Acre, Alejandro Corner, Patrick Colasour, Marina Ismail. Shaneymike (talk) 13:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Should there be an article for Billy too? Shaneymike (talk) 14:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deceased tag

I noticed someone put (deceased) next to the Trinity siblings. I think this is good because it stands out to people reading the article that certain characters are dead. I have added these tags to Ali Al Saachez, Lockon, Christinia, Lichty, and Kinue Crossroad since they are all dead. I also added it to that annoying AEU 'ace pilot' guy. 69.243.158.192 (talk) 23:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Seems unnecessary or stupid, rather. For some viewers who has just started watching the show, they will say they haven't deceased because they are not at that episode or the part of the plot that all of those characters are killed or have died. Can't really explain.. but for fictional characters, deceased tag is unnecessary. --staka (T ・C) 22:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Close proposal for meger

Now that there has been sufficient time to discuss the proposal, I think we should close the discussion and either merge or remove the proposal and tags.--Finalnight (talk) 05:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I removed them for the time being. Feel free to add them back if the articles are not improved over time. Joppyhoppy (talk) 13:09, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
The Lyle dylandy one should be removed. We don't know if he has a major role later on... Ominae (talk) 07:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Lyle dylandy was deleted for nonsense.. --staka (T ・C) 16:09, 27 March 2008 (UTC)