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[edit] screenshots

i don't actually have any. but i think the best would be the shot when the band is inside the grocery store for the first episode, and a picture of either the mutant seahorse, or toki "isolated" in that box for ep#2. Eirik Raude 05:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I managed to add screens for episodes 3-5, I'll try to add more at a later date. -Zach Zachington 21:49, 11 December 2006

The trivia section disappeared again after you added those screenshots, Zach. Swordsmanus 05:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

For good reason. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

That's heavily debatable, as evidenced below. 68.116.250.216 22:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lake Bodom

Where does it suggest or state in episode 4 that Lake Bodom is the one from which the troll rises? Also, there's quite a few metal bands from Espoo, it's a big city, why continually single out Children of Bodom? --Burbster 11:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dethkomedy reference

I think Murderface's onstage antics were more in the vein of GG Allin, rather than that guy from Rammstein. Not only was GG Allin known to bash microphones against his head, he was also infamous for throwing his own feces at the audience. Akira 07:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Not to mention that Murderface was naked while doing so, something that GG Allin constantly did during shows.

Ok, the article now contains references to both. For now I'll combine both into one item of trivia, unless everyone feels the Rammstein one should be deleted. -Stu

The statement "It was probably a reference to Lindemann, since GG Allin made mostly punk rock, whereas Rammstein more fits the heavy metal feel of the show" is an interjection of opinion. It should be deleted unconditionally, as both Rammstein and GG are referenced without it.

[edit] Avoiding conclusion jumping

This page has numerous speculative references listed as absolutes with no more than speculation to back them up. We need to keep in mind that unless one of the creators makes a statement, or the reference is made obvious with a direct quote another work, we're just guessing. Here's a few examples.

  1. Clear and indisputable: The Finntroll reference in "Curse of Deathklok" is a clear and indisputable reference as it directly quotes the name of that band. Whereas the possiblity that the entire plot of "Deathtroll" is another reference to Finntroll is made more likely by that first reference.
  2. Less clear, but likely: References to Finnish band Children of Bodom's home town of Espoo in "Deathtroll."
  3. Hardly definite: The "I'm aware of my tongue!" line in "Snakes 'n' Barrels." Possibly a reference to MST3K, but not definite because it is a concept referenced in other, earlier, works. For instance, there is a famous "Peanuts" strip in which Linus said, "I’m aware of my tongue ... It’s an awful feeling! Every now and then I become aware that I have a tongue inside my mouth, and then it starts to feel lumped up ... I can’t help it ... I can’t put it out of my mind. ..." To me, this is a much more likely reference, if it even is a reference.

Hope these guidelines help. And now that I've made "Peanuts" metal, I bid you adieu. --Boradis 07:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dethtroll - Amorphis reference

I noticed no one picked up on the reference Nathan makes about taking the lyrics about resurrecting the Troll from ancient texts as a reference to the band Amorphis to took tons of their lyrics on 'Tales From The Thousland Lakes' and 'Elegy' from ancient Finnish texts. LK Thurisaz 14:20, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I did but I added the trivia blurb to the Allusions section of the Metalocalypse tv.com guide which I edit. It was in the episode trivia here at one time but someone deleted it and I guess it never was added back. --carpeNoctem 05:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

The hell? "Trivia's not necessary" so the whole section just gets deleted? Maybe should have consulted the discussion page first about that before you just hack off half an article. For the record, one of Metalocalypse's most amusing aspects is all the subtle, even well-camouflaged references to various aspects of the metal genre, which is most certainly worth keeping. I'll be reverting this if nobody else objects. 209.129.117.2 01:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

It's gotten ridiculously excessive, and style guidelines actually recommend against such sections. Even if the references are to pop culture, only the most important of them should be included, like the troll's name, and should be included in the summary as a short parenthetical. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be kept. --141.209.196.70 07:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

the trivia section has gotten rather large. i think separate episode pages would be a good idea, with the specific trivia within. the spongebob squarepants and simpsons episode articles are well-done and good resources as to what to include in the pages. cma 08:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I second that motion. Considering that, as of today, Metalocalypse is Adult Swim's second most popular Sunday original programming (behind Robot Chicken) and fourth most popular programming entirely (behind Family Guy and Futurama, respectively), it's definately worth pursuing.66.27.106.77 10:00, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Separate episode articles? What are you going to put in it? We don't need extremely detailed plot summaries or lists of inane trivial factoids. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 10:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and created [very simple at this point] seperate episode articles and removed the trivia. The nessecity is simply because the trivia section had gotten too large and within episode articles we can adhere more to rules of style. The refrences within in the show are rather numerous and are the kind of thing that i have looked to wikipedia for in the past. --NeoVampTrunks 18:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Allright, whatever, seemed like a good idea to me. --NeoVampTrunks 19:37, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

You need to make an article to accompany the trivia. Just stuffing the trivia in another article does nothing. What it actually needs is to be trimmed. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia first and foremost. The article is called "List of Metalocalypse episodes", not "Metalocalypse episodes and trivia". Major, unquestionable references spanning the entire series should be grouped together in the main article (such as, "Many locations are named after existing bands, such as the Finntroll grocery store or the Gorgoroth wheelchair outlet."). Episode-specific references, speculation, and trivia should be eliminated completely. There are plenty of other websites where knowledgeable fans can freely discuss possible references and hidden meanings without creating clutter for everyone else. FinalMinuet 21:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
why don't the people who are working on all the metalocalypse related pages begin to create pages for each episode. put the trivia there. i'll start a couple. Patrick (talk) 05:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Please take it to a fan wiki. Things you noticed by watching the show carefully are not encyclopedic material. Whether you cram it into this list or individual episode articles, if it doesn't have a source (and "watch the show!" isn't a source), it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. The nice little "original research" tag isn't permission to keep adding the stuff you noticed one day; it's a warning that if nobody comes up with sources, then the content may be removed or drastically changed. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

alright, alright. but i have tried to make an episode page. i've come up with some templates, but they don't seem to be working together. this is my first episode page creation, and metalocalypse's first too. if anyone can help here's the templates. Template:Infobox Metalocalypse Season 1 Template:Infobox Metalocalypse episode and i've been trying to get this working in my sandbox, User:The Dougler/Sandbox Patrick (talk) 05:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

What are you going to put in these episode articles? We don't need longer episode summaries (the episodes are 12 minutes long for crying out loud), we surely don't need the trivia again, we don't need lists of "goofs" and such (that belongs on TVtome, not Wikipedia), and there just aren't any sources.
There's nothing to put in an episode article besides unencyclopedic junk. Please don't do this. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

alright, alright. i just thought that most other cartoons out there have pages for individual episodes, ie south aprk, family guy, ect. i don't see how metalocalypse is any different or how the show being 12 minutes long has anything to do with it. it still has a story, plot, ect. but thats just my opinion. if the people who edit metalocalypse don't want individual pages, than screw it. Patrick (talk) 03:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Those articles are equally awful, though. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 16:01, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
There's at least one Dethklok forum with a dedicated trivia/references thread: Dethklok forum. Seems more appropriate there than here.cybersybil 01:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you're all smoking crack. Plenty of other wiki's have similar section, regardless if they're also "ridiculous." Nevermind that there's a point where you're just taking things too seriously. To remove the trivia section is an act of idiocy; It's like removing the paint from a wall because it's not 'necessary'. Oh well, thanks for ruining the best part of this wiki. Now it's trash. If you're going to go through life nitpicking everything, then I don't see how you're ever going to have an open enough mind to be successful. Nor do I understand how you could even be a fan of a show like this, it's improper format must drive you mental! Klisk 07:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Trivia was the best part of this page and it is an integral part of the show and the show's popularity. I think it should be kept. 7 Nov 2006

For crying out loud, people. Okay, so other pages have triva listed. That's nice, but does it conform to the standards of Wikipedia, or the rules for templates of those types of pages? If they don't, then they're not needed, and should be deleted. Just because you feel that something should be added, doesn't make an end-all to the discussion. There are templates for how pages are to look, and rules for what kind of content can be on those pages; follow them, or don't create/edit articles. Just because you think it's important doesn't make it important. Wikipedians before you have come up with a set of rules for how pages are to look, and what content should/can be on those pages; choosing to disobey what they have done/decided is horrible. I suggest you read up on all of this before adding new information or creating articles, unless you want to have your work deleted or altered. In fact, aren't you told that when you register for Wikipedia that you should not edit/create articles unless you're willing to have your work severely edited, critiqued, or possibly even deleted all together?
Make sure you know the rules for creating new articles, as well as what content can appear in that article and how it is to appear, before doing ANYTHING. If you didn't do that before making an article, don't bitch and moan to everyone else just because your work was altered or deleted by someone else. Instead, LEARN from the experience, and do better next time.
Finally, if trivia for the episodes can be found at an external site, I suggest we link to that site for anyone who might be interested in said trivia. -- ModernTenshi04 13:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I cannot believe the trivia section is just completely GONE. Part of the appeal and fun of this show is all the inside-jokes and cultural references only metal heads or fans of music and cult movies would catch as they watch the episodes. That section was very informative and educational to both die-hard fans and casual viewers alike in cataloging an interesting list of references and allusions. Always remember if you want to add any things like that which you feel questionable about whether they belong in the wikipedia guide, there's a place for them in the Allusions section for episodes at the Metalocalypse guide at tv.com which I just so happen to be Editor of. Just a thought. I managed to save most of the trivia by adding it to the appropriate episodes there. It is still good information regardless if it fits with wikipedia's format or not and it should at least appear somewhere. --carpeNoctem 05:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
TV.com is fine for such info. It doesn't need to be here. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:18, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

It would be nice to at least provide a link to some of these websites on the main page. Under no circumstances should you assume your average wiki-reader knows where those websites are(and in your mind they're obviously not 1337 enough). Lots of average people will come to this article looking for trivia, not because that's what wiki is, but because so many other articles have the trivia. if we're going to be super-anal about keeping this specific article conforming to wikipedia standards, we need to provide external links that are labeled as such to provide trivia. --NeoVampTrunks 18:26, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I keep trying to introduce a link to the Metalocalypse guide at tv.com but someone keeps deleting it. So it never remains.

--carpeNoctem 23:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

As a parody of the death metal genre in general, inane, trivial references are basically all this show is. Throw those out and you may as well trim the entire article down to a an "encyclopedic" and wholly useless stub. It would seem to me that what we have here is another one-man crusade to take a perfectly functional wiki page that doesn't 100% match their interpretation of the relevant policies and effectively ruin it in the name of being "encyclopedic." This same thing happened a while back when one delightful Wikipedian decided that Gundam mechanical designs were "unencyclopedic" and started deleting the things by the dozen. Is that a precedent we really want to set? I think not. 209.129.117.2 09:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

There you go, changed the name. No longer the broad heading trivia, but the succinct heading Metal References. Which it is. The bands mentioned deserve a link that anyone who looks up the show can see, not hidden away on some episodes page or a link to a forum. A direct link to the wiki article on the band suits the purpose, from there fans can look further into the music that may well have shaped Dethklok

[edit] episode 5 production code?

is ep. 5's production code 106? is this 100% sure and confirmed?

No clue. I removed it until a source can be found. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

http://www.tv.com/metalocalypse/show/62049/episode_listings.html?tag=tabs;episodes this is where that person found it from, so i guess tv.com is a pretty reliable source

I am the Editor for the tv.com Metalocalypse guide and all the episode production codes were taken directly from Adult Swim's site. --carpeNoctem 23:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Demon Hunter reference?

Did anyone else see the Demon Hunter logo tattoo on one of the DethKlok roadies in episode 12, "Murdering Outside The Box", at the motivational speach? I'm not sure if it's a reference or just a similar looking tattoo, but would anyone happen to have a screenshot to back this up or to compare it to?

(A good clear example of said logo can be seen on their first CD. Demon Hunter (album)

[edit] Skull Full Of Maggots

"Dethklok's new song featured in this episode, Briefcase Full of Guts, is a possible reference to Cannibal Corpse's Skull Full of Maggots."

The only resemblance is the "x full of y" construction. That's the same as saying "Scuba Tank Full of Fart" is also a reference to SFOM, or "Scaled, Gutted, and Undercooked" is a reference to Stripped Raped and Strangled. SAlpsu 20:44, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Truncating Episode Descriptions

According to the List of Television Episodes WikiProject, episode summaries should be kept short and relevant. There is nothing about list of episodes that implies any more than a brief summary. Check out the South Park or Simpsons episode lists and see how to-the-point they are. Keep in mind that both were featured articles. When adding new episode descriptions, please follow this style to keep things clean. FinalMinuet 02:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] George Fisher

It was said on Dethklok's myspace that he was supposed to be in the most recent episode "Go Forth and Die", yet I didn't recognize him in it. Anybody care to look into it?

First, please sign your comments with four tildes. As for Corpsegrinder, I'm pretty sure he voiced the guy ordering four #5's at Dimmu Burger. Some people at the Cannibal Corpse forum thought the same thing. I don't listen to Cannibal Corpse but I checked out a couple songs and that's what I came up with. FinalMinuet 20:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Episodes 115-117???

Where are these descriptions from? They seem to be a joke of sorts. --74.129.222.94 02:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe the descriptions were different when you viewed them and left this on the talkback but the episode descrptions seem to be fine now. Someone keeps trying to vandalise by replacing Murderface with Dr. Zoidberg for the episode "Religionklok" though. --carpeNoctem 06:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Endless trivia back and forth

Technically, once something is reverted in and out 3 times the issue is supposed to go to committee - this trivia stuff has gone in and out at least that many.

Have fun.

MGlosenger 04:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

We covered it a few sections up. It's ridiculously excessive. It's just the one editor constanty restoring it. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
There is more than one of us in support of the information though, we're just too scared of coming under your flame wars. i've decided that i'm in support, but i'm not going to argue because i'll never win. --NeoVampTrunks 06:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Any trivia list so ridiculously long doesn't belong in the first place. No trivia section should drawf the article subject so completely. Just see WP:TRIV. What in that excessively long list matters at all to the article content? – Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Anyone who likes the trivia enough could easily have a call for arbitration, or whatever it's called - ditto for the other side. Either trivia or trivia-free works for me. MGlosenger 07:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I think as long as trivia sections are allowed on every other TV show article I've seen, then it should be allowed. If a show happens to warrant more trivia than another, then so be it. Why not create a new article specifically for Metalocalypse trivia if there is so much trivia from the show, then just keep the trivia section, and have a message there saying "for trivia from Metalocalypse please see "Metalocalypse Trivia" (linking to the article obviously). If that isn't a good idea, then just have a link to an external site that lists all of the trivia listed on here. Karpsmom 07:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
The Metalocalypse TV.com link is at the bottom and its trivia encompasses everything this trivia section does and more. Furthermore, it's designed for such a purpose, while this site clearly frowns upon it. Also, the fact that trivia is not taken care of on other articles does not mean we should be negligent here. Trivia should be merged when useful and deleted when useless. What about this trivia is useful to the article, or even the series at large? – Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, if your decision is to keep the trivia at the link, you should at least elaborate that the link has trivia. I know I had no clue where the trivia went until I explored that link. Wastrel 01:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Done. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
At least we've got a link to websites better suited for the nature of the amount of trivia per episode. I'd still like to see this expanded into a more in-depth set of pages; see Futurama's episode lists for instance. They're not very big, but they do maintain all the noteable trivias and references for those who might not have "gotten" them, which I believe greatly enhances the viewing experience. 209.129.117.2 05:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
"I think as long as trivia sections are allowed on every other TV show article I've seen, then it should be allowed." You know there's a clause in Wikipedia policy specifically denying this kind of logic be allowed in discussions. What happens in other articles is irrelevant here. Fact is there's just too much trivia and garbage throughout Wikipedia. --88.108.232.211 (talk) 18:24, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia's gone

So why can't anyone agree on the trivia? 166.102.136.59 15:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Dammit, people, if you refuse to have ANY trivia on the Metalocalypse pages for some idiot reason, you should at least have a TV.com link where such information is easily available. Either keep the link or bring back the trivia! MalikCarr 21:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese translation

Can anyone translate the Japanese language text on Pickles' green hachimaki in the "Dethstars" episode? Chris 07:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

  • It says Pickles (more acuratly Pikuurusu), its simply his name in Katakana.Unitg3d 15:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode Order

On December 31, Adult Swim aired a Metalocalypse marathon with the episodes in a different order. The article currently lists the episodes chronologically by air date. Adult swim put "Murdering Outside the Box" after "Dethtroll" and before "Dethkomedy." Also "Religionklok" and "Dethkids" were switched.

By the way, other than order of air date, what is the source of the production code and episode number? Are these the numbers Adult Swim provided? — Kjammer ⌂ 22:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering about that, too but then I realized that they just made a mistake.75.31.77.172 21:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] incomplete summaries?

These summaries are all written with cliff-hanger-like ending that don't actually say what happened. I don't think its Wikipedia's concern to avoid potential spoilers --in fact these summaries almost read like studio-provided material. I suggest writing them out more --not too much, but enough so a person knows the key facts of episode. --216.9.250.105 04:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with rewriting them a little better while providing some key-facts, but I think we shouldn't spoil too much. Dethfan216 18:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Spoilers are not a concern for Wikipedia. People should expect a summary, not a tagline. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] dethwedding already aired

april 1st adult swim played new episodes of a lot of shows unannounced one being metalocalypse just wondering if everyone knows —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinkfloyd32389 (talk • contribs) 03:16, 16 April 2008 (UTC)