Talk:List of Mega Man ZX characters

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[edit] Vent & Aile

Given the "twin" craze that Japanese anime has experienced as of late, could the relation between Vent & Aile be twin brother and sister? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.160.98.235 (talk) 18:36, February 7, 2007

Until we have a good source that states this, it won't be mentioned in the article, and please sign your posts. BassxForte 16:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Vent and Aile are only related in the fact that they are technically the same person, but in parallel universes. --Reploidof20xx (TALK) 03:33, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

There isn't really any canon information about their relationship (that I've seen). It's possible that they're siblings. It's possible that they're a couple. It's possible that they're the same person in parallel universes. It's possible that they coexist in the same universe and the one you're not playing as is just staying home for the whole game. It's possible that one is a clone of the other. We just don't know for sure. It's all just speculation. 67.49.212.101 09:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

As you'll note from what's on the page right now, there is quite a bit of offical sources that state that they do coexist, altohugh we can't say anything final until word from CAPCOM comes. BassxForte 20:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The only proof I've seen of the two coexisting in the same universe/timeline is the anime, but like BassxForte said, Capcom has the final say in this and, unfortunately, they haven't said anything yet. ChromeWulf ZX 17:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

They have said something now. http://www.atomic-fire.com/storage/mags/ZXA_007.jpg BassxForte 00:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

It's not clear enough, they still appear in separate storylines. The words "intertwining" could mean anything, as little as the background stories in both going together (like ZX) or as much as all 4 characters actually interacting. - Zero1328 Talk? 00:51, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I found a clearer image... http://www.jeux-france.com/images0_4_20387.html fruthermore, what else do you think the term "seperate but intertwining" could mean? Vilerocks 02:12, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Did you read what I just said? It could mean as little as the background stories adding up to a bigger one just like in ZX. In the entire game nothing is seen which connects the two storylines together, and they actually contradict each other. We don't know the level of this in ZXA. - Zero1328 Talk? 02:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

The first game never used the word "intertwining". Vilerocks 02:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

And nor did the second. It's just how the magazines are describing it. It is still too ambiguous to put in anything definite. - Zero1328 Talk? 02:29, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, here's smarts for ya, Grey ends up in a bounty hunter camp, and what has Ashe been doing almost her ENTIRE FRICKIN' LIFE? being a bounty hunter, bah! Once the game comes out and i'm proven right i'm gonna laugh so hard. Vilerocks 02:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Did you forget about the backstories of Prometheus, Pandora, and Model W? The different backgrounds of the two main characters is irrelevant, have you thought about the different dialog they'll encounter with the characters? That's what I'm talking about. We don't know, so we don't mention it. - Zero1328 Talk? 02:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

It seems logical to mention that we don't know. *sarcasm* Vilerocks 03:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Further more, CAPCOM also used the "seperate but intertwining" statement. Vilerocks 03:46, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

That does not change the fact that it is vague. - Zero1328 Talk? 03:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

The idea that it is vauge, is nothing more then your own personal opinion. Vilerocks 04:05, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I can say the same for you. It's better to be safe than sorry, though. - Zero1328 Talk? 04:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

So, what? We leave both versions off entirely? Reagrdless of the fact my other name, BassxForte, contributed majorly to the other version. Vilerocks 18:01, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

If there is a possibility of it being interpreted as vague, we have to be cautious. Wikipedia is not supposed to contain speculation, assumptions or original research, and we're in those waters. Outright stating that it's speculation, an assumption or original research is even worse. It's an unreleased game. - Zero1328 Talk? 05:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

The articles on unreleased products tend to have information that could be considered speculation, keeping speculative information off of the smash bros. brawl page has been a long battle, but we have managed to keep that page MOSTLY speculation free. Vilerocks 19:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, you're not making any sense. This is relevant, how..? - Zero1328 Talk? 02:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about? What's relevent? Vilerocks 03:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Why are you talking about SSBB? How is this relevant? - Zero1328 Talk? 04:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm just pointing out the similarites of this mess. Vilerocks 02:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, then how does that help us get out of it? - Zero1328 Talk? 02:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

How the HELL should I know? Vilerocks 20:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, it seems there is a cutscene image in ZX Advent that depicts Vent and Aile together, alongside all the other biometal users. But I have no idea of the context behind this image, so make of it what you will. Maybe we'll know more when the English version comes out, or we hear from somebody who knows Japanese. I don't know yet if Vent appears or is mentioned in Grey's storyline, or Aile in Ashe's, other than in this image. Take a look - Wanderer32 04:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

This image is shown in Grey's storyline, and is shown as a vision (or a memory) when he recieves a DNA Core of one of the 'Enemy Rockmen'. Capcom seems to be showing the two together now, compared to ZX. As for how Vent and Aile are related, no perfect solution has yet been revealed. --Reploidof20xx (TALK) 13:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

ok I just beat the game today and durring the cutscene that shows Vent and Aile along with the other biometal users the text is Albert talking about how he set up the fight to find the ultimate megaman by having all the individual megaman defeat each other until there was only one left. or somthing along thoses lines.Raikakage (talk) 21:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for 3O

Since I know very little about video games, I will approach this entirely from the perspective of Wikipedia's Policies and Guidelines. It is obvious to me that, even when dealing with a future release, speculation must be kept to an absolute minimum: WP:RS and WP:V are extremely important and still apply here. Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so anything that is speculation must be (a) presented as such (WP:NPOV relates to that indirectly) and (b) be handled with caution. That means absolutely top draw attribution to reliable sources, and if a statement is subject to a lot of debate that questions its veracity, just leave it out unless and until it can be corroborated with further reliable sources. And not that anyone would, but don't use posts on fora as evidence. By the way, you should use {{Future game}} on relevant articles. Adrian M. H. 16:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I generally deal with video game articles the same way I would deal with articles about fictional things. Vilerocks 17:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Per WP:FICT, WP:WAF and WP:NOT#INFO, you mean? Adrian M. H. 21:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the rules I go by regarding video game articles. Vilerocks 21:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I just have a side question, are they humans in this game, or are they reploids? I thought they where humans, but the recent megaman games have been making that line between the two harder and harder to see. I think that might be the point, but still....
Vent and Aile are humans. If they were reploids, they'd have a red triangle on their foreheads. Wanderer32 16:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed relation between two characters

It is revealed late in the game that she is Alouette, from the Mega Man Zero series, and that Ciel was the original leader of The Guards.

I don't suppose there's a reliable source, other than "Go play the game" or a GameFAQs script transcript that backs this up? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Other than that, I guess not. It's not outright stated but very strongly implied. Heat Man from Atomic Fire translated parts of the Japanese game transcript when it was released, but that's all I've got. I've decided not to get the English version so I can't confirm anything personally in that version. - Zero1328 Talk? 08:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, barring a reliable source, let's leave it out, then. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:12, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Giro's name?

Didn't Giro have a different name in the original Japanese release? Wasn't it "Silve"? PrinceForte 08:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

No, it was Girouette. It's even noted in the article. - Zero1328 Talk? 08:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Giro Refering to Direct Deposit

"The name "Giro" refers to the British name for a direct deposit" While Giro does mean Direct Deposit, in ZX his name does not REFER to direct deposit. It is simply a pun on Zero's name. xnamkcor

It's even more likely just meant as an abbreviation of "Girouette" since that would never fit into the tiny space given for the speaker's name in textboxes.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anyone Think That...

I know that this is merely fan-speculation (and yes, I haven't included it in the article), but does anyone think that the reason Helios, Altas, Siarnaq, and Thetis' versions of Models H, F, P, and L are different than Vent/Aile's because they're Megamerging with the Biometals and not with the respective Biometals and Model X? Again, just a thought. ChromeWulf ZX 22:29, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

That seems to be the most likely explanation. Vent/Aile could only use those biometals through a Double Megamerge with Model X, while the new guys are using them as normal Megamerges. It's just like how Giro's Model Z looks different from Vent/Aile's Model ZX. Wanderer32 05:59, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grey and Ashe

Hi wikipedia, I just added infor detailing NP's journalistic unprofesionalism. Don't worry, the NPOV was not harmed...

Specifically, I tacked this bit on:

It should also be noted that when Grey switches biometals, the base form icon is shown as "Re" a clear reference to "Repliroid" or "Reploid", wheras the base form icon of Ashe is shown as "Hu" a clear reference to "Human".

kthxbai --124.40.47.214 09:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Normal prometheus2.jpg

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[edit] References?

Seriously, we're probably going to need a lot more references than just a voice actors list (BTW, YouTube isn't exactly a recommended/verifiable source). I know that there isn't much that we can probably find on the net to be references in regards to the info, but at the very least, couldn't we get some lines from ZX and ZX Advent? It would help.

I can't do this alone. I can find pretty much anything from ZX in a snap, but Advent will take some time. Can I have some volunteers help me out? Comment here, and tell me what you'll be researching if you can help. Thanks. ChromeWulf ZX (talk) 00:22, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re add a picture of Prometheus

Just what it says on the tin. He's one of the main antagonists who's had a main role in every game to date, and deserves a picture alongside Pandora. And also, the user who got the original picture deleted needs to be banned from further editing this article, since adding the necessary rationale was just as easy (if not easier) than marking it for deletion.

[edit] Aren't the Biometals Characters too?

Shouldn't the biometals be listed as characters? I know none of them are given much characterization, but they all have individual personalities and contributions to the game. Especially Model X, Model Z and Model A. Model A in particular has a lot of characterization and is more than a tool, he's Grey and Ashe's companion. Cheeriko (talk) 00:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)Cheeriko

To a degree, yes, the Biometals are characters, but I don't see the point. While the guardian Biometals and Model W were touched upon in the deleted List of Mega Man Zero characters, out of those 5, Model W has the most importance, and he's already covered (to a degree) within the ZX and ZXA articles. The focal points of Models X and Z are found within the X and Zero articles, and Model A has a mention in Axl's section of X series character article as well as the ZXA article. ChromeWulf ZX (talk) 21:24, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Seems like Model A should be talked about more in depth aside from a mention on Axl's bio. Especially since there is no relevant connection between him and Model A aside from similarities thus far. With that in mind, he's an original character to the ZX Advent series unless later games state otherwise. A very important character as well. --Cheeriko

[edit] Ok, Serpent's article is a bit confusing...

OK, I got/watched the ending of ZX, and, well, what he said in the actual ending is EXTREMELY different than what the Article says as to what he says.

Here's wikipedia's wording on Serpent's death throes:

"As Serpent dies, he declares all of humanity to be Mavericks for stopping progress."

Now, Here's what he actually says in the ending (according to the subtitles):

"The Destiny of Destruction... Still awaits... So long as you have hearts, hate will lurk in the shadows. You who possess the wellspring of emotion known as the heart... You are the true Mavericks! (Serpent explodes)"

See what I mean? the translation for this one is extremely different from what Wikipedia states as to what he's saying. I mean, he didn't even MENTION anything about Progress at all (much less calling humanity Mavericks for stopping it.), if anything, he seemed to be warning humanity that if they try to do what he did, nothing good will come out of it (he mentions hate being what leads to the end of the world, and all of that stuff.).

Well, I don't know about any of you guys, but I think this should be changed.

Weedle_McHairybug —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.223.196 (talk) 18:50, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Which story are you going by? Aile's or Vent's? Actually...let me check into this myself. If I'm right, then the part in the article comes from Vent's story while the dialogue you just posted was in Aile's. ChromeWulf ZX (talk) 21:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I was referring to the FMV that depicts Slither, Inc. HQ's destruction, Which, if I'm not mistaken, the exact same dialogue is said by serpent in both Vent's story AND Aile's story. I mean, Vent's Story did mention the calling someone a maverick for halting progress, but Serpent was only calling Vent a maverick, NOT the entirety of humanity.

Weedle_McHairybug —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.186.225 (talk) 18:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Greek Origins?

Before I get to the main point, I really don't see the point in writing down what role *insert name here* is known the best for, or who they also voice in-game, or even (in Peter Von Gomm's case), showing a direct parallel between past Mega Man games. I'm removing this. If you have a problem, revert it.

Anyway, I remember researching Greek mythology and noticing that Aeolus, Atlas, and Thetis' names and abilities all come from...well, Greek mythology.

Aeolus, the Wind Mega Man = Aeolus, the son of Hellen and known as the god of winds (Alternatively, it could be Aeolus, the king of Aeolia who gave Odysseus a bag containing the four winds and is also sometimes considered to be a god).

Atlas, the Fire Mega Man, whose abilities also have a touch of the element of earth = Atlas, the Titan whose punishment was to stand at the western edge of Gaia (the earth) and hold up the sky. (This one is a bit sketchy, though).

Thetis, the Ice Mega Man (ice being the solid form of water) = Thetis, the female sea (water) nymph/goddess; also Thetis' mistranlated name from before (Tethys) happens to be the name of the sea goddess that is Thetis' grandmother.

Sadly, Siarnaq is only the name the of a moon of Saturn, which was believed to fit with the other enemy Mega Men's original (albeit mostly-mistranlated names): Helios (if it was substituted for Hyperion), Atlas, Tethys, Prometheus, and Pandora.

What do you think? ChromeWulf ZX (talk) 22:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)