Talk:List of LGBT couples

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[edit] Eleanor Roosevelt dispute

Resolved.

DUDE, ELEANOR ROOSEVELT WAS NOT GAY! The Lorena thing is a MYTH-- find me an actual BOOK-- NOT wikipedia-- of a Eleanor Roosevelt biographer that says she was actualyl GAY, and not just good friends, and then I'll put her back in there—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.32.101.199 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 30 July 2005

[edit] Male/female couples

Is this list supposed to include non-transgender male/female couples in which one partner identifies as bisexual? Guanaco 14:30, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

What are the criteria for a couple being notable enough to include here? Without any criteria, the "Past" list could easily run to thousands of couples rather than the handful that are there now. --Celithemis 00:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, for one, one of the couple should be notable enough to have an article first before being listed. Next the relationship should be well enough known and/or be well doccumented. It those criteria are met, then they should be on the list. IMO Doc ♬ talk 03:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sourcing

This article needs sourcing, both for the modern couples and for the historical ones. For the disputed couples (I'm talking about any historical couple where at least one notable biographer has argued either way) there should be a footnote explaining the dispute. Maybe they should even be grouped under a different heading, or a note added.

Also, the mythical couples need to be removed. There's no evidence that Zeus and Ganimede or Achilles and Petrocles weren't just literary characters, and that's why we have List of gay, lesbian and bisexual people in mythology. Additionally, a better definition for inclusion is needed. I'll think about it and see what seems intuitive (bisexual and gay? yes. bisexual and straight? no. two bisexuals? probably. transgender and straight? maybe). LeaHazel : talk : contribs 10:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV in the removal of link to the Historical pederastic couples article

This is a clear situation of overlapping articles with content that is obviously relevant to any inquiry into historical same-sex couples. One would think that the "See also" link would be welcomed by both editors and readers. DrBat has given no indication of his logic to deleting the connection between the two. On the other hand he has given plenty of evidence for his animosity against pederasty, which he is welcome to but not in this project. Haiduc 11:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

And this is coming from a user who posted on my talk page defending pederasty, saying that attacks on pederasty by mainstream queers is equivalent to attacks on queers by mainstream "straights", and are an attack by a majority against a minority. It'd be one thing if you were arguing that "it's not an endorsement of the subject. It is simply part of a tracking system for articles that fall within the scope of this project", as other users have said, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what your opinion on the subject is. --DrBat 21:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Children, let's please remember to play nice. This is not a personal dispute, it's an encyclopedia. As pederastic couples are same-sex and therefore LGBT, a link is appropriate. A link to list of couples is also appropriate. The ethical merit of pederasty as a cultural practice is not called into question here, because Wikipedia is not censored and we include See also links based on the fact that they're 1) relevant and 2) can't be placed within the article text. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 13:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mythological figures in "Historical" section?

Resolved.

Zeus/Ganymede? Achilles/Patroclus? These are hardly historical unions. Maybe we should have a separate list of fictional LGBT couples, if it's imperative that they're included at all. --buck 13:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

They have been removed. --buck 20:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Laurel and Hardy / BLP

I've asked on Talk:Laurel and Hardy (I would assume if we have any experts on Laurel and Hardy, that would be where to find them) if they would be able to prove or disprove Laurel and Hardy's being a gay couple or not.

Also, I would suggest removing any living people from this list (perhaps comment them out, or move them to a section here on talk) and only reinstating them when references are forthcoming. As I'm calling for the entire article to be deleted, it wouldn't perhaps be appropriate for me to do it at this point. Neıl ☎ 00:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It would be wiser, and likely more productive, IMHO, to simply set a timeframe of a month for all items to be reffed or moved off article to talk page. Personally my todo list is quite full but finding refs for all these folks is certainly possible or agreed, like most lists, it's ripe for vandalism. Benjiboi 00:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Update. First two sections are done. Benjiboi 01:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Update, third section done. Benjiboi 01:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Update, fourth section done. Benjiboi 02:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed from list

This list is for those entries removed as editors were unable to quickly find a source to support inclusion. If you have a reliable source feel free to re-add them to the list with a reference. Benjiboi 03:02, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What the heck is a "bisexual" or "transsexual couple"?

The phrase same-sex couple is pretty straightforward, but what on earth is a "bisexual couple"? What is a "transsexual couple"? Do both partners need to be somewhere on the LGBT spectrum? What if only one is?

What if a bi man is paired with a straight woman, does that go on the list? How about a transman with a woman? A transman with a transwoman? How about a bi man with a bi woman? What exactly is the scope of this article? Photouploaded (talk) 16:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Given that the list makes little to no reference to "bisexual couples", does that really matter? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
The title makes such a reference, the scope should be clarified. Photouploaded (talk) 13:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I know of a few bisexual couples who are notable but agree that at this point the entire list needs organizing and as Dev920 states it might not matter. To answer your question though, one or both of the couple would be known transgender or bisexual person. Carol Queen is a good example as her and her husband are both bisexual activists. Benjiboi 00:32, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I am quite certain that there are, indeed, examples of couples where both people are bisexual or transgender. What I am trying to determine is what the criteria are for inclusion here. Photouploaded (talk) 13:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
One or both should be notable (have an article) and be an identifiable LGBT person. As the list becomes better organized the parameters may tighten considerably. Benjiboi 15:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Does that include Rock Hudson and his various beards? What about McGreevey and his ex-wives? Queerudite (talk) 05:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
We might need to exercise some judgment in these areas. Benjiboi 14:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)