Talk:List of Japanese artists

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This article was nominated for deletion on Jnuary 11, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep. An archived record of this discussion can be found here.

The links added to a few names are mostly to aid those who wish to start articles. A side purpose though was to prove that I didn't just make up a bunch of Japanese artists to add on in order to save the list.--T. Anthony 08:56, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Explain why this article, instead of using the Category 2 I leave it you 3 Format Proposal 4 Nihonga painters 5 Order

[edit] Explain why this article, instead of using the Category

What are the benefits of this article vs the use of the existing category page? What exactly can you do here that you can not there? You understand of course that categories can include article type material as well as the list of artists. -- SusanLarson ^{(User Talk, New talk, Contribs)} 15:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Lists allow for annotation and information not available in a category. For example you can't put years of birth or death in a category of Japanese artists. Further not everyone goes to the requested articles page. I rarely if ever do as most of it doesn't interest me and having to wade through to find what interests me is irritating. I or someone else in interested in Japanese art can put this on a watchlist. My little sister lives in Okayama Prefecture and although I'm more interested in China, but I have worked on Japanese articles. Others might be similar. Then over time work can improve and expand coverage. If you check Talk:List of African writers (by country) you'll see it was tagged as part of a project to remove systemic bias so it is appropriate to use lists like this in that way.--T. Anthony 23:29, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm thinking in the long run when this list is perhaps three years old instead of three months old. A good table formatted list could cross reference artistic schools, period movements, and media at a glance. Durova 00:03, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Now that I can easily agree would be a benefit to the Wikipedia. -- SusanLarson ^{(User Talk, New talk, Contribs)} 00:40, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I leave it you

I worked on this a bit, but I'm starting to burn out some. I might come back later, but I leave the rest of the red names for others.--T. Anthony 04:04, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Format Proposal

I discovered this article a few days ago, and began adding to it. However, I wonder if it should not be formatted differently. Here is my proposition, and I am quite open to suggestions and ideas:

• Separation of the list out into schools or periods. This would be under headings within this article, not on separate article pages. I do not think we should, or even could, separate artists by their media, since so many were painters as well as lacquerers, print-makers, sculptors, etc. But I think that making the list neater (cleaner) by splitting it up into Kano school, Rinpa school, etc, as well perhaps as by period (Kamakura, Ashikaga, Azuchi-Momoyama, Edo, Meiji, Modern) could be quite nice.

• I'd like to propose the abolition of this table in favor of a simpler text-based format. The table is just really annoying to have to enter new artists into, and it just looks and feels clunky. Plus, if this is done in a text-based format, there will be less limit on the brief descriptions of the artists.

Please, let me know what you all think. LordAmeth 02:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I was the one who put the table in while the page was nominated for deletion. I had recently raised List of notable brain tumor patients to featured status and now have a second list up for candidacy, Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc. The majority of newly featured lists are in table format. It's easier for readers to cross reference information and encourages new contributors to add more than just a name.

May I suggest you reorganize within table format? You could add new columns or break up the page into several tables. This is a topic that certainly deserves to be featured and in the long run it would help the candidacy. Of course if tables just drive you nuts (and with some editors, they do) then go for whatever works best. Cheers, Durova 04:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I like your proposal, LordAmeth. I agree that a text-based format can make the article look much cleaner and allow more information to be given for each artist. I also like the idea of splitting the page into sections absed on schools or periods. (^_^) --日本穣 07:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice. I think I am going to start splitting the whole thing into periods and schools. For now, I'll leave it a table. I just really wish there were a way to do tables without all this messy-looking code. Maybe at some point I'll redo the whole thing using HTML tables; it's no cleaner, but at least then I know what I'm looking at. LordAmeth 10:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nihonga painters

I've been keeping a list of nihonga painters at nihonga. It is translated from the 日本画家 (Nihonga painters) page on Japanese wikipedia. I am getting through translating the individual articles slowly. I think the list should exist but I have no particular preference as to where. Zargulon 22:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

My suggestion would be to copy that whole list here, and leave only 5-10 major artists on the nihonga page. What really needs to be done is to expand the actual prose text of the article, talking about the style and its history. (I'd help on that but I have no books at my disposal right now.) Anyway, that's my thought. LordAmeth 01:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Order

How are the entries arranged in the tables? I don't see any order. They should either be alphabetical, or by date. I think date of birth would be logical. Some seem to be arranged by date, but others not. - Parsa 22:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Date of birth is fine with me... I apologize that I haven't quite been keeping up on keeping this list clean and organized, not to mention working to make it more complete. Please feel free to make any changes or additions... LordAmeth 10:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)