Talk:List of Iranians

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on July 2, 2006. The result of the discussion was consensus to keep.

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[edit] Americans?

Why is Annemarie Schimmel listed as an American? The main article on her says she is German.

E.G. Browne was also on this list previously, listed as E.G. Browne (British)!

Is everyone from the west considered to be American? This is a bit strange isn't it?

Could the list title be amended to 'Famous Westerners in Iran?' or at least, if the title remains, it should be restricted to Americans.

[edit] Trivial persons?

Please stop adding every trivial person to this list. If all nationalities wanted to do this, Wikipedia's database would be a monumental repository of useless trivial data. Iran has plenty of pesonalities in its long history in various categories who deserve a fair article in an encyclopedia; but please let's avoid creating a long list of every insignificant Iranian who just happens to have some fame.    --K1 06:44, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Please give examples of the persons you are objecting to. The only people I may have some objections to, are the new electronic music people. The political people, I really believe are necessary, because of the very short memory of the Iranians who forget where someone is coming from. Anyway, if you believe someone doesn't deserve to have an article, request that at the request for deletions page. This, is just a list of those who have an article and those someone thinks they should. Roozbeh 08:31, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
On many occassions it has been said that Wikipedia's space is pretty much unlimited, so the argument "useless trivial data" does not hold - what is trivial to you might be improtant to me or others. Also over half of teh persons mentioned already have an article - I think Roozbeh is doing a brilliant job. Let him get on with it. Refdoc 23:44, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
If you want to eliminate trivial people from this list, you should try eliminating all the Parsis that are on here. These people were more influential in India and Britain then Iran and they are not what we would call modern-day Iranian Persians. They are Old Persian descent.

You're right, Parsis are closer to Ancient Persians but, otherwise, alot more Indian than Iranian. They dont even speak Persian, they speak Gujarati. I'm a Parsi, I would know this -Daruwalla Homey

For that matter, eleminate Freddie Mercury, Rohinton Mistry, Zubin Mehta and every other Parsi. Not just the first one. The others are still there. -Farsheed

[edit] The Iglehakid, the Shutrukid, and the Medes

The anonymous user at 69.105.224.30 is insisting on removing the Igehalkid and Shutrukid dynasties. These were really dynasties of the Elamite Empire, and not Persians. But again, the Medes were not Persians either. Persia started with the Achameneid. Any ideas?

To make sure the list is not lost, this is it:

[edit] Igehalkid dynasty

  • Ige-Halki (c. 1350 - c. 1330 BCE)
  • Pakhir-Ishshan (c. 1330 - c. 1310 BCE)
  • Attar-Kittakh (c. 1310 - c. 1300 BCE)
  • Khuman-Numena (c. 1300 - c. 1275 BCE)
  • Untash-Naprisha (c. 1275 - c. 1240 BCE)
  • Unpatar-Naprisha (c. 1240 - c. 1235 BCE)
  • Kiddin-Khutran (c. 1235 - c. 1210 BCE)

[edit] Shutrukid Dynasty

  • Khallutush-In-Shushinak (c. 1205 - c. 1185 BCE)
  • Shutruk-Nahhunte (c. 1185 - c. 1155 BCE)
  • Kutir-Nahhunte III (c. 1155 - c. 1150 BCE)
  • Shilkhak-In-Shushinak (c. 1150 - c. 1120 BCE)
  • Khutelutush-In-Shushinak (c. 1120 - c. 1110 BCE)
  • Shilhana-Hamru-Lagamar (c. 1110 - 1100 BCE)

Roozbeh 00:56, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Elam is a constituent of Iran. Iran is a greater than just its Persian parts and hence a page on Iran and its history should also link to the non-Persian aspects. I would re-instate the lists. Refdoc 23:35, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I have reinstated the lists. I think any further deletions should be discussed on this page rather than just done only to be reverted immediately thereafter Refdoc 23:46, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Well, the title of the artile is List of Iranians. The ancient Elamites were not Iranians. Medes were Iranians. Nobody said it's a list of Persians. How did you come up with that? It's a list of Iranians, and if it has to go back to ancient history, still it doesn't change the fact that it should be a list of Iranian peoples. Of course we could go back to Adam and Eve, but in that case then why categorize as X or Y or Z? We would lump everyone under List of children of Adam and Eve. Last but not least, I find it mildly interesting that you on your own alter the article, and then instruct others to not change anything without first discussing it here. Do as I say, not as I do? --K1 03:39, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
calm down, K1, It is really a matter of artifice to ascertain these were Iranians, those not, given that neither the Persians nor the Medians nor the Elamites held an Iranian passport or citizenship - all modern concepts... WRT to my reference to "Persia" this is in response to Roozbeh just above my note.
Also Elamite was one of the (several official languages of the Persian Empire, just as Susa was one of the capitals acc to the Elamite Empire article. Ancient Elam is mostly identical with the modern Iranian province of Kuzestan, though obviously extended occ far beyond. Elamite genes are most certainly still somewhere in the genetic make-up of the Iranian population and Elamite historical artefacts are valued treasures of Iranian history.
WRT my request not to alter but to discuss, you do seem to misunderstand me quite badly. It is Wikipedia policy to add rather than to delete to introduce NPOV etc, and to discuss major deletion. I did not alter but more or less reverted, while the guy Roozbeh had difficulties with, deleted without comment - and repeatedly so. I hope this clarifies my action Refdoc 15:08, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
BTW should one not mentian the Timurides? Refdoc 22:03, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Shariati

I removed Shariati from journalists not because of duplication, but because he has never been a jounalist. Ehsan 18:23, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Sorry then. If you're sure Shariati has not been a journalist, please remove him again. Roozbeh 21:03, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Conformance with other pages

I would suggest to reconstruct this page in a modular way, so that when someone changes the list in Persian literature for example, it changes here as well. Maybe by just giving links to proper pages or ... Mtdashti 11:55, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Football or Soccer

I believe we should use soccer player instead of football player, since the former is informative about what kind of football they play. User:Sina seems to disagree. Anybody else agrees or disagrees?

Football is an sport under governing body of FIFA. What is FIFA? Fédération Internationale de Football Association, not soccer association! We have to call this sport football not soccer.--Sina 14:53, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
If you read the Football page, you see that what you really mean is called Assosiation football, which is reflected in the expansion of FIFA as you mentioned. You are simply wrong, in English, they call it soccer, and that's what matters. Behdad 11:15, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)


All around the world except in the North America, everyone call this sport Football not Soccer, If you check European leagues, they have football league not soccer league.BTW, most of football fans call this sport neither soccer and Association football, everyone knows this sport as FOOTBALL --Sina 11:48, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Football is ambigious, soccer is not. BTW, in Wikipedia, American English is preferred.
I know the discussion is over, but just wanted to note that American English is not the preferred spelling/usuage in Wikipedia. The policy is as such. All articles written about "American" subjects should have American spelling/usuage while all articles about subjects purely British (or countries which use British spellings) should have Commonwealth usuage/spelling. Articles about neutral subjects (i.e. grape) could use either but should be consistent. -- Jeff3000 17:13, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I propose we use both, with one in parentheses. (And it really doesnt matter which one).--Zereshk 22:06, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ok, made them all "football (soccer)", like the article name is. And let all entries be linked. Behdad 4 July 2005 05:36 (UTC)
I agree with this!--Sina 4 July 2005 09:10 (UTC)

[edit] Fred Ameri

   Sixty-four-year-old Fred Ameri has been working for the same architectural firm since he was in college. If they fired him, he says, he wouldn’t know how to fill out a job application – but since he’s one of RBF Consulting’s senior vice presidents, there’s little chance he will have to. He’s been married to his wife for 32 years. He sits on the California Regional Water Quality Control Board and is chairman of the board for the World Affairs Council of Orange County.

nativeborn Iranian’s Ameri came to America in 1959 at the age of 18, to study medicine at Berkeley. He turned to engineering and went on to earn a masters degree in civil engineering. He quickly got a job at RBF, which was operating out of the owner’s modest home in Costa Mesa. He started a consulting firm, which became the second largest consulting firm in the country. It was the mid-70s and America was in a recession; Ameri’s firm set up a satellite branch in New York, filling it with 50 architects simply by putting a few ads in the New York Times.

While the Europeans handle much of the negotiations, and the U.S. works with the U.N. to press for meaningful sanctions, Ameri believes the U.S. should use the greatest asset we have – the wealth of intelligence and information held by educated Iranian immigrants like himself. Until then, Ameri will keep working to enlighten anyone who cares to listen. And you can be sure of one thing – he won’t quit anytime soon. 
   The World Affairs Council has monthly luncheons at which some of the world’s most interesting people have spoken, from Mikhail Gorbachev and Frank Carlucci to activist celebrity Mike Farrell of M.A.S.H. fame. For information on the council or the luncheons – which are open to non-members – call (949) 253-5751.

[edit] Parsis=Persians or Iranians?

-Should Parsis be listed on here with Iranians? I dont think so. Ethnically and genetically they're Persian but Iran is a nation and Iranian is a nationality. Parsis, in this respect, are INDIAN not Iranian. They can be in the category Persian people but not Iranians. Do we put Tajiks on this list or Afghan Dari-speakers, even though both of these are Persians, no. This is a list for people who are Iranian or of Iranian national origin. Including Persians and non-Persians, as long as they lived in the country or region of Iran. Historical Persians outside of the plateau like Tajiks or Parsis should not be on here.

[edit] What Criteria ?

Can anyone confirm what the criteria is for inclusion on this list and other similar lists ? Should it include people of other nationalities because one of their parents were born in Iran, even if the notable person was not born in Iran and does not hold Iranian nationality ?Scarlet7 09:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Good point. It is debatable. The govt of Iran considers people born outside Iran to a parent of former Iranian nationality, still to be Iranian. That is why if they travel to Iran, they can even be drafted into the army if above 18 whether or not they claim to hold Iranian nationality.--Zereshk 12:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Iranian women

You folks might wish to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Iranian women (2nd nomination). Kappa 13:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)