Talk:List of Invader Zim episodes

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[edit] List of unfinished episodes

With the exception of 10 minutes to doom, Nubs of Doom, Day of da spookies and The trial, the unfinished episodes are not inportant enough to have sections of their own and deletions have been threatened. I have combined most of it into one large article, but left everything as it is, incase it doesn't work out (The list is kinda big) what does everyone propose we do? Devilmaycare 10:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Cite your sources. CovenantD 15:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Has been done Devilmaycare 16:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other stuff

There is supposably an alternate version of the pilot with (poor) cgi effects in the food fight. Images of this episode are in the room with a moose screenshot gallery, but there seems to be no way of califying whether this exists or is simply a hoax. Can someone clarify? Devilmaycare 11:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tables

A couple of notes after I put all the episodes into tables. I chose purple and green because those 2 colours appear loads in Invader Zim. The descriptions are crap so someone please change them lol. I don't have the DVD yet so I can't take screenshots without having the toonami logo in the corner. I put the episodes into production order, if that's too much of a problem for too many people then I'll fiddle the table around. My source dates are TV.com, if they're wrong then fix accordingly. umm, I think that's all. BillPP 01:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

One more thing, I removed information about episode animation and stuff as it didn't aline well with the tables. It could go back in if someone puts the production numbers with the info, I would but I dont know which episodes were the ones described. BillPP 01:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for doing all that work on the episode list. I've been doing a lot of work on the episodes themselves. I'm still experimenting with exactly what format each episode description needs but I'll get it all synced sooner or later (I work in an editorial office and do this sort of thing every day. I can only do so much at a time). What I'm mostly writing about is the color scheme you chose. I like it but the purple you chose is a little too light and makes the blue text, "List of Invader Zim episodes," on the episode pages nearly invisible. Maybe another shade of purple or even red, since that color figures so prominently in the show. Whichever you like will work, just as long as you can easily read the text underneath. Thanks. Philiplore 01:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I chose the purple as it's another colour that's used a lot in episodes. The navigator template was originally in Zim's skin colour green, there was a very brief discussion on the main Invader Zim talk page and the purple was requested. I agree with you and I've now changed the colour to Gir dogsuit-green. which shows up the text much better. BillPP 05:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Order

This should be listed in the production order, not the broadcasting order, as this was the order chosen by Vasquez himself for the DVDs. +Hexagon1 (t) 04:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

However, that isn't the way things are typically done here. --InShaneee 17:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Pardon me? So what if they aren't, well change that. This is a wiki, not Microsoft. And what exactly do you refer to by "here". If you mean Wikipedia in general, look here, for instance. The order chosen for DVDs in usually regarded as the final order in the industry. If Vasquez and his team chose one order to be the final one, why is this listed in another order used by a single channel in a single country? Nick almost always broadcasts everything wildly out of order. +Hexagon1 (t) 01:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Hexagon. The order they're listed on the DVDs was made by the production crew, whose opinions on the matter are much more important than Nickelodeon's. And if Nick doesn't like it, they can... um... do... nothing about it... yea... MJMyers2 20:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] School vs. Skool

In Invader Zim, school is always spelled "skool." I notice this humorous spelling is used in the articles for the actual episodes. Should it not be used in this list as well? Another annoying question -- since the Skool in Invader Zim is a very specific school, should it not also be capitalized everywhere it is used? -- Tckma 19:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

It seems to me that it could be changed in this list. The first occurrence will need to be in quotations, making it clear to someone unfamiliar with the show that it's not just a typo. If it doesn't look right, it can be changed back or fine tuned as needed. I think there are still several articles that need to be changed as well. I just don't have enough time on my hands for this lately, especially with the holidaze here.


Unfortunately, we don't know enough about the Zim universe to make a definitive grammatical decision on the capitalization. If the word, "school" is commonly spelled as "skool" in that universe, and the 'skool' is one of many 'skools,' then it should be lowercase. If their "Skool" is the only one spelled that way, or the only one that exists, then it should be uppercase. We've never been given any indication that there are or aren't other schools, so there's no way to know for sure. The school is never given a proper name (maybe it just has a number) but there must be other schools and some way to differentiate between them. A logical universe would dicate lowercase, but this show doesn't exactly hold to logic, so... It could also be argued that it's a unique artistic creation and therefore should be capped. It might look really weird being capped everywhere though. So who knows? --Philiplore 16:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe that it should be spelled 'skool', however, there is no way, as I see, to tell about upper or lower case. On the first usage of 'skool', we should add (sic), to ensure it is not interpreted as an error. Devilmaycare 17:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

How about this: Have the first instance of the term appear as " 'skool' (sic)", and afterwards refer to it as "school". --InShaneee 20:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Works for me—"'skool' (sic)" on the first instance and "school" after. Philiplore 17:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea Devilmaycare 17:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I know I'm late to this discussion, but I see that at the start of the episode "Vindicated!", right when the episode title is displayed, they show the front of the "school" and it has the sign above the door "SKOOL". While it is it all capital letters (and thus is not decisive), it seems to me unlikely that "skool" just means "school", since this would be akin to having a sign above your school or mine that says "SCHOOL", which is certainly odd, to say the least. Of course, as previously stated, logic does not always apply to Invader Zim. Thestorm042 12:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alternative page

Hi people, I've made an alternative page for the episode list which can be seen in my sandbox here. It has a few layout changes and the episode order is more "official" as it's based on the production order and DVD releases. At this point I don't intend to change the current list because it's fine. But if there's ever a consensus to change to production order then it's all ready to be pasted in. --BillPP (talk) 07:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clearing needless single episode articles

Single episode articles do not need to exist for most series. Only certain shows of high regard (Simpsons, Dr. Who), that can have actual information, need them. An episode needs to be capable of having more than just a plot summary; along with a nice, concise plot summary, they need to have at least well sourced development, and reception sections. Examples of this can be found here, here, and in any of the episode articles here. Obviously, they won't just pop up for every episode article, but it is easy to tell that this is very unlikely to happen for this series. I plan on doing this in five days if no concerns are brought up. If they are brought up, I will address them. Nemu 19:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Before you start trying to delete anything, please note that these episodes are currently going through a period of cleanup with sections being removed and added in an attempt to improve all the articles. Take a look at the Invader Zim task force. You should also note that Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, there is no limit to the articles that can be included. Episode articles are not limited to prime time shows of great fame. See the TV Episodes guidelines for more information. The articles may not achieve the same quality as episode articles for prime time TV shows but that is not the deciding factor on whether or not they should exist or not. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 20:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I sincerely doubt the cleanup will bring about any quality (no offense to you and the editors there). The fact that the TF only has three topics on it's talk page shows that nothing beyond the basics will get done. What you need to refer to is WP:EPISODE, which states some needed content for episode articles. It even suggests that articles with little content (e.g. just a plot summary) be merged. The TV project's page is just dead weight. I really, really hate WP:NOT#PAPER. The fact that the site isn't paper is what gives us the ability to cover various TV shows in the first place. It doesn't mean that we need to expand upon every minor topic of said shows. Nemu 21:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I believe the articles should stay because even though they currently seem to be mainly plot summaries (which they are), they are expandable with the recommended items in the episode page you've linked. Also if you check the history of the articles then you'll see that action is being taken to make the articles meet the guidelines. At the moment it's hard to spot because the task force and the cleanup period hasn't been running very long, but more and more episodes are having the plots reduced, trivia removed, and more recently more secondary sources have been added. I think the key difference is that the articles just haven't been expanded, they are not unexpandable in my opinion. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 21:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
So far, all you have done is a minor cleanup. I looked through a third of them, and the only true reference I found was to TV.com, which is not a reliable source. To satisfy the guideline, you will need to add fully backed development and reception sections. Do you really think that you'll be able to find such sources for a children's show, that may have a small cult following, but was still canned fairly early in it's life? Do the DVDs have extensive commentary on the creation of every single episode? If they don't, your claim of the articles being expandable is quite moot. Nemu 21:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes the DVDs contain commentary on the creation, background information, conflicts with the TV studio on content, etc.. Like I said earlier, the cleanup is taking place. I've collected sources from reputable sites such as IGN and scifi.com which comment on episode content. It just takes time to put it all into articles. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 21:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
But how much? That was my question. Is it enough to adequately source every article? Does the commentary focus on conflicts with certain episodes or just the thing as a whole? Are they good enough not to be considered trivial? You can have sourced information, but still have it be pointless. Maybe a few episodes can pull it off, but I really doubt the possibility of them all becoming well sourced. Nemu 22:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes the DVD commentary goes into detail on the episode that it is during. For example changes due to 9/11, material deemed inappropriate (notable due to the overall relationship between the crew and Nickelodeon), story arcs, etc.. In my opinion the material's there. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 22:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, as I don't have the DVDs, I will have to take your word on it for now. If possible, please focus on bringing an episode up to the standards that you believe are good enough, so I know whether or no to pursue this in the future. I would say a month is a good amount of time. Nemu 22:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Will do. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 22:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

If anybody's wondering why the redirecting went ahead without further discussion, I've been unable to use the DVD commentary as an out of universe source as I can't get hold of my DVDs at the moment. The episodes can be remade easily by reverting the merge. But I advise this is only done when multiple out of universe sources are available otherwise the article will be redirected again. Four episode articles that have been expanded with sources remain, but still need further work. A guide towards making a good episode article can be found on the Invader Zim taskforce page. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 01:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong Production Numbers

"Dibship Rising", has wrong production number. It's suppose to be 25B, their are currently two episodes listed as production number 22B.

Again with "The Frycook What Came from All That Space" is suppose to be 23 and not 26. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcnichoj (talk • contribs) 19:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)