Talk:List of Hispanic and Latino Americans

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[edit] Merge proposal

They are both lists, so they should definitely be merged. Maybe the list should be subdivided by nationality?--Rockero 16:54, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

It refers to the United States Hispanics. There is already a list of Hispanics and also a list for each country. --Zaqarbal 18:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
This page needs major reconceptualization. What are we defining as Hispanic Americans? Those of hispanic descent born in america? those of hispanic descent in america? Or what? --Bfraga 21:25, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I think it refers to Hispanic US citizens, whether they were born in USA or not. For example, Hispanic physicist Luis Álvarez was born in San Francisco (California). Isabel Allende was born in Chile but later became a USA naturalized citizen (American nationality). So both are Hispanic Americans. --Zaqarbal 19:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
The article should be titled: Notable Hispanics from the US. Since America is not just the USA but the entire continent. --ElChompiras
I don't think both lists should be merged; one list refers only to Hispanics, the other one refers to American citizens of Hispanic ancestry, they are totally different from each other. --Luis Lema 18:26, 29 July 2006 (PST)

[edit] New lists

As I wrote in the List of Hispanics talk page, I edited a list of Latin Americans and a list of hispanophones. So now Notable Hispanics and List of Hispanics can be merged. But, to avoid confusions, I think it would be better to make redirections to a List of Hispanic Americans. --Zaqarbal 12:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

And well...? Any suggestions? --Zaqarbal 12:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title

I think it ought to be either List of Hispanic Americans or Notable Hispanic Americans, because "famous" is so subjective.--Rockero 21:37, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Notable works for me --Bfraga 23:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List

I'm going to remove all the people who are already under another list and then link to that list (no need to list twice). Mad Jack O'Lantern 02:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Julie Brown

I can't find anywhere on the web that Julie Brown has a hispanic ancestry. I think she should not be on the list. If anyone has that information, please post it.

[edit] The Arts

I created sub-categories for this section. Please feel free to reorder if you spot any mistakes. Morlesg 15:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandals at IP 147.31.184.40, Widener University and the School Districts of Delaware County, Pennsylvania

...have substituted at least one NN name but I don't know who rightly belongs on the list; maybe somebody could take a look. -CliffC 02:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Notability"

This article is for "notable" Hispanics. It should not have any redlinks. If a person is not notable enough to have his/her own Wikipedia article, then the person is not "notable" (see WP:BIO). This list had a number of additions of redlink names that do not show up on any Google searches. — ERcheck (talk) 03:07, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move the page

Note: I moved this discussion to the bottom of the page to maintain chronological order of discussion, as is usual practice. — ERcheck (talk) 18:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

This is a list of Notable Hispanic Americans from the United States.

It is not, in any case, a list of Hispanic Americans from Hispanic America nor a list of notable Spaniards from Spain. Therefore, I think this page should be moved to Notable Hispanics from the United States or Notable Hispanic Americans (U.S.).

Discuss it please, otherwise, I will go further with this. The title is wrong. Onofre Bouvila 18:29, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

  • I agree with both, the comments presented by User:ERcheck and User:Onofre Bouvila above. The list is supposed to be about "Hispanic Americans" which would indicate to mean United States Citizens of Hispanic descent. First of all, this article-list lacks an introductary paragraph which should state what the list is exactly about. Second, if the list is about "notable" Hispanics then it should be within Wikipedias notability criteria. Those who are not "Hispanic Americans" as defined, should be taken off the list. Third the list as is in unmagaable. Those are my two cents worth. Tony the Marine 19:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
    • I think that a good name would be List of notable Hispanic Americans. This would make it clear that it was a list, not an article about notable Hispanic Americans. If you have "from the United States" in the title, this would exclude those Hispanic Americans who were not born in the U.S. — ERcheck (talk) 20:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
BTW, I left a note on the Latinos WikiProject talk page concerning this discussion. Any moves should wait until folks have a chance to weigh in on this. — ERcheck (talk) 02:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

FWIW I agree, except that the title should be List of Hispanic Americans, on the assumption (as in other such lists) that by definition those included must be notable. --Jbmurray 23:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

If it was "List of Hispanic Americans", that would mean that it includes the Hispanic Americans from Hispanic America, and it is not so. It includes only the Hispanic Americans from the United States of America. Therefore, it should be List of Hispanic Americans (U.S.), or (according to U.S. definition of Hispanic American), because remember this is a global Wikipedia, not a U.S. Wikipedia. Onofre Bouvila 13:32, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

So, Julio Iglesias (a spaniard, not an american citizen) is in the list. I offer two more spaniards' names: Pizarro and Cortes as ... umm... explorers.

So I definitely move the page to List of notable Hispanics from the United States. It's better than List of notable Hispanic Americans, because Hispanic Americans are also those from Hispanic America, and here, we are talking about "Hispanics" in the US. In the article "Hispanic Americans" also was done like this; it was moved to "Hispanics in the United States", because otherwise it would cause conflict with the Hispanic Americans from Hispanic America. . 18:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

According to all this, I think the article should have only people from Hispanic America born or naturalized in the United States. Currently the article is a mess, because it considers lots of people from Spain / Hispanic America as "Hispanic Americans" (according to US definition) just because they have won an Oscar or stuff like that. If this article wants to be serious, it should only contain Hispanic Americans born or naturalized in the United States of America. . 18:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cristina Coria

I could have sworn she was Mexican, not Puerto Rican. Is there any proof of where she's from? 74.229.215.99 20:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flags

I hope everyone likes the new look of the page where i put the flags of each hispanic and latino.It makes it much easier tell let everyone know where they're from and who they are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.41.94 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 27 May 2007

[edit] History of Latinos and Hispanics

Please consider contributing to the article entitled History of Latinos and Hispanics. Thank you! --JuanMuslim 1m 02:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hispanics in the United States - requested move

Hello everyone. There is at present a discussion going on at Hispanics in the United States, due to the request that the page be moved to Hispanic Americans. Would you like to comment please? Thank you. The Ogre 18:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] redlinks

I see the comment that we generally do not include redlinks on list pages like this. I suggest that these lists are the best place to include redlinks, to make it easier for people to find pages that need to be created. Since people with no current page cannot be listed in the category pages, it makes sense that they be left on these list pages. Yes? No? Aristophanes68 (talk) 20:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

How about having a separate list of redlinks, either on the article or on the talk page? SamEV (talk) 02:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Desired articles should be listed at the relevant project, Wikipedia:WikiProject Latinos, or at Wikipedia:Requested articles, but not here, where the potential for hoaxes and "my cousin who's a really great artist" abuse is too great. Pairadox (talk) 03:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Ah, yes. Somehow I misunderstood Aristophanes as meaning (also) that including redlinks would provide readers an extra set of names that would otherwise not be on the list. Maybe it's because I do find redlinks occassionally useful that way myself; I can then go find out more about the subject, including right here on Wikipedia, in articles that mention them. SamEV (talk) 03:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
That's what I meant, Sam. I find the redlinks useful for knowing what articles need to be created, and having them in the lists is more useful than having them sequestered in a list of needed pages that I never think about examining (and may not even have the redlinked name on them). However, I see Pairadox's point about the potential for hoaxes. Perhaps a compromise would be to include redlinked names, but only when they are accompanied by a summary of their importance and/or a link to an external site. I know I've seen lists that have numerous redlinks with outside pages connected to them.... Aristophanes68 (talk) 05:09, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
The reason that I (and many others) take a hard line on redlinks in lists is because of notability issues. To continue with the example of an artist, it's really easy to set up a website to showcase one's own artwork. That would provide a link to an external site, but that individual could still fail Wikipedia's notability guidelines horribly. Similarly, a summary of their importance doesn't meet verifiabiltity requirements. If, on the other hand, an article exists, then that person either meets notability and verifiability guidelines or the article will soon be deleted. I think a better compromise is to use Wikipedia:WikiProject Latinos as a collection point. It allows for a wider range of like-minded individuals to see redlinks and create articles. I'd be interested in knowing what lists you've seen that include numerous redlinks. Pairadox (talk) 05:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
That makes sense. But a summary and an external link do at least provide instant means for judging importance. If it's done as you recommend, Pairadox, then please make sure that each list article such as this one contains a very visible link to the redlinks list in the WikiProject. SamEV (talk) 06:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] the term Latino Americans is an erroneous term.

The apropriate term is Latin American. There is no Latino America. It is not in a legitimate dictionary or anywhere else legitimate. People from the Latin Americas are Latin Americans. Whoever put up the title to this page, please change this. How do you justify taking the name of a very large part of a continent, where the legitimate term is known all over the world, and with a slight of hand change it to something which only serves to obscure the reality of the peoples origen. Latino was adopted from the Spanish language in which, the meaning is Latin. This is also the case in English, see the Merriam webster dictionary. Sometimes for short Latino was used for Latino Americano, which is Spanish for Latin American. The English term is Latin Americans and that is what should be used as this is the English Wikipedia. The question is, why would someone knowing this, That the part of this continent where these people come from is and has been known officialy as Latin America, choose to use a term (that will be used by others in the perception of this group) that is not in the dictionary or any government forms. A term that attempts to illegitimize and disassociate the many individuals of this group from the correct English term 'Latin' and 'Latin America(n)s.' EDGARR (talk) 01:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

There's just one key detail you're missing: this is not about Latin Americans. It's about citizens and residents of the United States (Americans) who are of Hispanic and Latino ethnicity; ergo, Hispanic and Latino Americans. SamEV (talk) 17:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)