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I noticed that User:ZackDude added John Bennett and Richard Codey as "Acting Governors." I don't believe listing every acting Governor would be wise or informative. For example - if Governor McGreevey went to New York for a turkey sandwich, Senate President Richard Codey would again become Acting Governor until Jim McGreevey got back from lunch. If in fact any Governor under the 1947 constitution left the state, even briefly, there would be a de jure Acting Governor, and the list of people who were chronologically Governor and Acting Governor would be long, burdensome and uninformative. I propose to use the same standards for Acting Governors as are used for Regents: "It should be noted that those who held a regency briefly, for example during surgery, are not necessarily listed, particularly if they performed no official acts; this list is also not complete." Thus, DiFrancesco is notable and list-worthy, wheras Bennett and Codey will probably be forgotten as Acting Governors during their brief tenures so far. --Hcheney 04:31, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC) in User talk:ZackDude

It's true that John Bennett and Richard Codey were acting governors for a few days (72 hours for bennett) before mcgreevey was sworn in... however i do believe this is important and bennett did accomplish things in those 72 hours such as i believe he made a state of the state address and they both were individually sworn in formally... while they may not count to people as actual governors of new jersey i still think it's important for people to know this information. If you want you can put a note of some kind saying they were only governors for a short time or put them on a different type of list. (User:ZackDude 05:24, 10 Feb 2004 in User talk:Hcheney)
I believe former Assembly Speaker Jack Collins (R-Salem) was acting governor when DiFrancesco and Whitman went together to the National Governors Association. I'm going to do some more research to find out exactly how many acting governors there were under the 1947 consitution. If we do not set an exclusionary bar for listing acting governors, then all acting governors should be listed. --Hcheney 21:53, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'm gonna have to disagree nine months later. Y'see, Bennett and Codey were acting governors because there was no governor. Whitman had left and the new Senate was split, so there were 2 Senate Presidents, and 2 co-acting governors. They agreed to split the job for 3 days each. As opposed to your Jack Collins example, this was not just a technicality. Certainly you'll agree that Codey's current tenure "counts". Jonpin 16:38, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

So is the current acting governor still a member of the state Senate or doese he resign from that ???????? NJ needs a LT gov or something

Yes (still President of the Senate), no (doesn't have to resign), and ABSOLUTELY (NJ needs a lieutenant governor). Jonpin 16:38, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)
Not only does he not have to resign, if he resigns as Senate President (or whatever position his elected position is) he would no longer be acting governor. In the November 2005 Elections, the Constitutional amendment creating a position of Lieutenant Governor was approved. The first LG will be elected in 2009. Additionaly (either as a result of the constitutional amendment or a nother piece of legislation passed), if the position of governor becomes vacant before the first LG is elected, the succession rules would take effect; however, the person who would previously have become Acting Governor, would now resign his previous position and become Governor. Had this been the case 4 years ago. DiFrancesco would have become Governor after Whitman's resignation and would have served until McGreevey became governor (i.e. Codey and Bennett would not have split the interim week as Acting Governor). The new Governor's Senate or Assembly seat would become vacant and either legislative body would have to elect a new leader. New Jersey's present system (along with those states that elect a Governor and LG on seperate ballots) allows for the successor to be of a different party than the Governor that resigned. I'm not sure if in 2009 the Governor and LG in NJ will be elected on the same or seperate tickets.Aronk 22:33, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Andrew Hamilton

Hi, I haven't changed the article because you may have a better source than me but my understanding was that in 1702 Andrew Hamilton, Governor of East Jersey, was re-appointed by Parliament as Governor of NJ after it became a Royal Colony. You show a new Governor of NJ from 1703, this may be right I don't know the dates but it might be worth checking if Andrew hamilton served during 1703. AllanHainey 13:40, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

No, Andrew Hamilton (New Jersey) was reappointed in 1699. In fact, he died on April 20, 1703. See [1]. AndyZ 23:59, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Acting Governor is no more

See this article from the Star-Ledger newspaper http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1136871415215330.xml&coll=1 which reports that the Acting Governor moniker has been phased out and that Richard Codey is/was the Governor of New Jersey not Acting Governor

How should we deal with this?? Pretend that Codey's (for his current time as Governor) and DiFrancesco's title has always been "Governor" with the footnote (as I did as an initial revision) or some other idea? Any thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.218.29.233 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Numbering of governors

Should the first line in this article be removed or edited to reflec that DiFrancesco and Codey (second time) are now numbered Governors?

[edit] does "Governor' need to be listed for each Governor

We all know that NJ is a strange state, but do we have to list in the last column "Governor" for each governor. Can't we just list notes, if they are necessary?Aronk 18:00, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bios of old guvs

I want people to be aware of this extremely informative book:

New Jersey Historical Commission. The Governors of New Jersey 1664-1974: Biographical Essays. Trenton, NJ, The Commission, 1982. Paul A. Stellhorn and Michael J. Birkner, Editors.

It's located at this link. I'll be adding stubs for missing guvs based on the info in it when I have time, and I invite others to do the same while we're working on this article. Crzrussian 15:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I added it onto Template:NJCOTW. Since this week this article is the current New Jersey collaborative effort of the week, hopefully we can take care of all of the non-existant articles on this article. AndyZ 00:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Jersey Opposition Party

For a short time, the American Party (part of the Know-Nothing nativist movement) and the Republicans, joined forced to defeat the Dems, and called themselves "New Jersey Opposition". Was this an actual party? If so, should Newell's party designation be listed as such? Please see http://www.njstatelib.org/NJ_Information/Digital_Collections/Governors_of_New_Jersey/GNEWE.pdf for a more full description. After looking at the bio of his successor, Charles S. Olden at http://www.njstatelib.org/NJ_Information/Digital_Collections/Governors_of_New_Jersey/GOLDE.pdf, it appears that they indeed called themselves that, and we should reflect it on the list. Anyone object? -- Sholom 04:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Richard Ingoldesby

Now that WP:NJCOTW is drawing to a close, it seems as if many governor articles have been created. In fact, Richard Ingoldesby is the last one of today's did you knows. AndyZ 00:00, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Did You Know An entry from Richard Ingoldesby appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 13 March 2006.
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[edit] Retroactivity

As per the new law, Codey and DiFransesco are now "Governors" and not just "Acting Governors", does this apply beyond the 1947 constitution to the several "Acting Governors" under the 1844 one? 68.39.174.238 12:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] sexual harassment?

Isn't it a bit misleading to describe McGreevey's resignation as due to a "sexual harassment incident"? john k 06:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)