Talk:List of Friends episodes/Archive 1

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Synposes

I am planning to create plot synopses. Any objections?

Mimsie 17:52, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

No objections from me. My experience in episode lists demonstrates that some Wikipedians may have something to say about it though. In several talk pages about episode lists I've seen comments about articles for each episode of any given show as being "excessive" or "unnecessary". Don't be surprised if you take some heat from them. Good luck. Redux 21:25, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Since you are going to do this, I would suggest that you throw in an episode-by-episode list of the guest stars. We already have an article about that, but it's just a simple list and there's no way to tell when or in which episode each one was there. Just a thought. Redux 21:39, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I've started adding 'as ....' and a brief synopsis of the guest's involvement on List of guest stars on Friends. When done I reckon I'll do so for Joey (sitcom) as well. --Hooloovoo 23:33, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yes, you guys are quick, I already received the equivalent of an eyebrow raise when I started the edits. I have already looked online and although there are definitely plenty of episode guides out there, they are all canned and not very detailed. I am hoping that with the wiki format I can create a more relationship-based guide whereby connections between characters, plot consistency, etc. can be explored. My strongest argument being that Star Trek obviously has in depth coverage all over the 'net, but I think the wiki List of Star Trek TNG episodes does a great job. Thanks for the support and suggestion!

New Design

I think it is time that the episode list is formatted using the template like other episode lists. I have already started with the first three seasons as guides. I've also uploaded screenshots for the first three seasons I took using Fraps. I would like it if some more people could help me out with changing the other seasons's templates or creating the screenshots. Please make your own screenshots and do no find them on the web.

--Drzoidberg91 21:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

template

I created a template for episode navigation to replace the tables that were in some of the articles. It is

Preceded by
“{{{1}}}”		 List of Friends episodes Followed by
“{{{2}}}”

. Just type {{Friends navigation|[[preceeding episode|[[following episode]]}} (with pipes in between each piece). I'm working on adding it to articles, and fixing the category sorting. I also noticed that the list isn't uniform. We should probably work on that too. I'll do some if I have the time. Lachatdelarue (talk) 19:23, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Standardization

People, I realize it's a lot of [boring] work, but either we have all the season listings with boards or we have plain lists for them all (as it was before). But it really doesn't sit well to have half of the listings as boards and the other half as plain lists. More importantly, it seems that the effort to convert the simple lists into boards has come to a stop. The boards are not a bad idea, but nor are they essential to an article that is meant to be a simple list of episodes (as the article is structured right now, more details, such as plot summaries, should be located in each episode's article). If there's no intention of completing this conversion task, I'd favor reverting the whole thing back to it's original appearance — remember that nothing is completely lost in Wikipedia, so if ever someone decides to complete the change, they can just bring back the boards that had already been done and take it from there. Regards, Redux 18:23, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Season Infoboxes

I have created season infoboxes for every season of Friends (Season 1, Season 2, Season 3, Season 4, Season 5, Season 6, Season 7, Season 8, Season 9 and Season 10). These have to be placed on every Friends episode page with the corresponding season. To place them, place {{Friends*}} on the top of every episode page, replacing the * with the season number. Squidward2602 13:46, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

OK, these are great but there is some inconsistency in the nomenclature seasons 1,9-10 make use of the abbrieviated TOW, whilst seasons 2-8 use the full 'The One With/Where.' I have edited for consistency within seasons, but which should we use overall? I would suggest the full title as this is more accurate and clear. Others? Ck lostsword|queta! 18:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Definitely full title. Redux 13:41, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

For Episode Summaries

Just wanted to point out that some brave soul on Geocities has a website with word-by-word transcriptions of, supposedly at least, every single Friends episode ever. I've been writing summaries based mostly on the episodes I've personally got copies of, but theoretically we could write up summaries relying on these transcripts alone. The site is http://www.geocities.com/vspramod/Links/friends/friends.htm. Marblespire 22:53, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Episodes category sort key

While it is important to fix the sort key, I wonder how to deal with season 10 episodes. For example, "The One With Princess Consuela" is sorted as "10-14" while causes it to appear at the end of the season 1 articles, and before the 2nd season ones. Should they be sorted "01", "02", ... "10"? The only problem is that the names in Category:Friends episodes would be 0 or 1 only. Any advice? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:55, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Characters

Talking about infoboxes, I realized the characters have uneven article formatting. While Phoebe and Chandler have sidebars with statics, the rest (but Monica) have pictures. Shouldn't all have the same?--201 01:40, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Images

I like what has been done to the page, but the images do make the page take longer to load. Samx 23:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

they are also a violation of wikipedia's Non-free content policy.Geni 15:08, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Spaces and "Alerts"

I've fixed the spacing of text in this article. Please remember that sentences should be separated by a period and a space, and that a space should also follow a comma, exclamation point, or colon.

I also removed the word "alert" that preceded all of the guest stars... it made the list look like it was copied from a fan site. I don't have the appropriate flashing lights and sirens on my computer to properly convey "alerts" anyway. Jaksmata 17:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Redirects

The good faith efforts by User:Mimsie (principally) to create individual articles for every episode were made before there was a clear policy about episode notability, since established at WP:EPISODES. Per that policy, it is clear that the majority of the individual Friends episode articles should be redirected to this list page where brief plot synopses can be provided; alternatively, the articles should be rewritten to address the notability issues laid out at the guideline. It should be quickly noted that plot summaries, goofs, and trivia are explicitly cited as unencyclopedic and insufficient content for individual episode articles. Over the 3 years that these articles have existed, few aspire to much more than that. Eusebeus 11:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Merge DVD releases into this article.

Having a separate article solely to list DVD release dates is absurd. I propose merging Friends DVD releases into this list. I've been boldly merging a few Friends articles lately without discussion but I thought this one might stir up some debate. Brad 18:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't dispute the rationale. However as the article is 100 kilobytes there is already a valid argument for this article to be divided into seasons, based on this. Thus merging the two sections could ironically result in the creation of eight additional articles for the content of these two articles. My advice would therefore be not to merge, although I have no objection to either course of action. BeL1EveR 22:29, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Hmm. It looks like that's already begun. (season 1, season 2, season 3). I think I'll withdraw the merger proposal for now. Brad 08:54, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Episode article review (Season 1)

The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
The result of the discussion was to redirect all of the season 1 episode articles except the pilot The Pilot (Friends) to this page's list of episodes.

The following is an episode review discussion that is intended to evaluate articles for individual episodes. See WP:TV-REVIEW and WP:EPISODE for more info.

Per WP:EPISODE, not every episode of a TV show should likely have an individual article. This can be for many reasons, such as notability or sources, or even just what format fits best for that show.

See also: #Redirects, above, and Talk:Friends#IMPORTANT - Notability Concerns and Redirects for Individual Episodes for prior discussion. --Jack Merridew 10:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Season 1

  1. The Pilot (Friends)
  2. The One with the Sonogram at the End
  3. The One with the Thumb
  4. The One with George Stephanopoulos
  5. The One with the East German Laundry Detergent
  6. The One with the Butt
  7. The One with the Blackout
  8. The One Where Nana Dies Twice
  9. The One Where Underdog Gets Away
  10. The One with the Monkey
  11. The One with Mrs. Bing
  12. The One with the Dozen Lasagnas
  13. The One with the Boobies
  14. The One with the Candy Hearts
  15. The One with the Stoned Guy
  16. The One with Two Parts, Part One
  17. The One with Two Parts, Part Two
  18. The One with all the Poker
  19. The One Where the Monkey Gets Away
  20. The One with the Evil Orthodontist
  21. The One with the Fake Monica
  22. The One with the Ick Factor
  23. The One with the Birth
  24. The One Where Rachel Finds Out


Discussion

I looked these over just prior to posting this. The Pilot has a bunch of references and they should be looked at closely. The others all are mere plot summary with occasional trivia sections and guest appearances listings. These could all be simply represented in a concise form in the LOE summaries. Absent significant improvement, most of these should be redirected to the LOE. Interested editors should work to improve the articles with an eye to meeting WP:N; as it is, see WP:NOT#PLOT and WP:TRIVIA. --Jack Merridew 10:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

1 and 2 seem to be the only episodes which might benefit from having their own articles still (need improvement though) whereas the rest are simply plot summaries and trivia. Approxiamately 90% of the episodes lack any kind of sources. I don't think there are many sources available for the majority of these episodes, however there definitely could be for a few of them; therefore remove redundant content to the LOE page and consider making a season 1 page. If one of the regular editors wants to or feels they have some good info to contribute (from a book say), then a really good season page could be made.
Seraphim Whipp 15:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I haven't had a chance to go through all of them yet, but I would like to note... many things found in the first season that could be notable, such as character introductions, character history building, can also be noted in character articles. I suspect us finding more information that is better in a per-character format than in a per-episode in this first season of a long running show. I'm not saying there won't be notable episodes, but that some info might be worth mentioning one way or another. -- Ned Scott 03:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I haven't had a chance to review all the episodes, but I did take the time to look at the pilot and it looks fine. That article can stay just the way it is (speaking of course that there is no reason to merge it, it still could use some expanding). Although, I think it needs to have a corrected title, as it doesn't fit naming conventions, but I've left that discussion on the article's talk page (please feel free to answer my question about that there).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect. I have gone through the Friends episodes and almost all of them amount to little more than a plot summary + trivia. I have brought two episodes so far (not from Season 1, however) up to a level that meets WP:EPISODE. But from Season 1, only the pilot seems like it could satisfy the notability standard. The rest should be redirected to the LOE. Eusebeus 09:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect All but the Pilot, obviously. None assert notability. i said 03:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

A quick Amazon.com search turned up these books. I don't know if they'll help with these articles, but I thought I would mention it. Like I said above, though, I suspect much of this would work just as well, if not better, if formatted in the character articles:

-- Ned Scott 19:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Redirect all but the pilot. --Jack Merridew 10:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Motion to close

No comments in a week; time to close this and queue-up the next 3 seasons. --Jack Merridew 10:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Let's set up the redirects and bring on Seasons 2-4 for review. (If you set up the review, remember that I improved 2 episodes to the guideline, so they should not be included in the review.) Eusebeus 12:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Eusebeus, don't forget WP:OWN is not a valid point in discussion. Just because you rewrote two articles (leaving them mostly unsourced, I might add) it doesn't mean they shouldn't be included in the discussion. All articles should be listed here so all interested users can put down their opinion. Brad 10:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
LOL. Owning a friends episode article! Anyway, list away. You are quite right. Btw, sourcing is not the same as asserting notability, fyi. Eusebeus 14:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
When I list stuff for review, I list all episodes; in the last one I did (Talk:List of One Tree Hill episodes) I simply referred to the main list. The review should cover all articles even those that may well meet guidelines. I also believe we should be doing entire shows as blocks; the chunking is really just a matter of dealing with things in human-sized bites. --Jack Merridew 12:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

This can be closed now. No new comments since the 13th. Merge all but the Pilot. i said 22:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree; it will be done. --Jack Merridew 11:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.


Which episodes were supersized?

It would be helpful in this list to have an indication of which episodes ran for 40 minutes during their original NBC airings. --Mathew5000 05:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

  • All I remember was that they were only in Seasons 7, 9 and 10. TOW Monica Sings, TOW The Male Nanny, TO After Joey and rachel Kiss, TOW Stripper Cries, TOW Phoebe's Wedding are all super episodes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.183.137 (talk) 11:24, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

The One where Rachel Finds Out Changed

I changed the title "The One where Rachel Finds Out" in the List of Season One Episodes to "The one with the Prom Video" per the name of the episode on the Full Season one DVDs.Nate7181 23:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

-Just Kidding- I was Wrong...161.225.129.111 00:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC)