Talk:List of Firefly planets and moons

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[edit] Merger

I once again suggest a merger, for more or less the same reasons discussed over on minor characters in Firefly. There is absolutely no reason Londinium, Miranda (Firefly) and Ariel (Firefly planet) shouldn't be merged into this list. All are stubs anyways. -b 19:51, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

While I have no objection to this suggested merger, I must point out that Londinium is a disambiguos page, which lists things that Londinium might refer to. JQF 20:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Already corrected. -b 21:44, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Merge per above. Philip Stevens 12:46, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category deletion

I suppose there's no reason to keep the category then, is there? -b 06:27, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bringing in data from the RPG?

The game manual has some extra information on many of the worlds; I don't know if it's fully considered canon or not. Any thoughts on bringing this information in, or in properly noting its possibly non-canon status? -Rossumcapek 02:56, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be added to the article, but it should be specifically noted by the info that it is from the RPG. The Wookieepedian 17:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
It would be cool, but the Non-canon Nazis will bitch about it. Cyberia23 18:27, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
So long as it's labeled as from the RPG (and thus that it might not be canon), it should be fine. JQF 18:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Label it non-canon real clear and I see no problems. -b 00:28, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, the RPG was produced with serious oversight by Mr. Whedon and would be considered "canon". I could be wrong on this, but if you want to know for sure, I can put you in direct contact with the people who wrote and produced the game. I noticed that there are quotes from the RPG in this article, but no credit in the bibliography. I'd like to see this amended. How does one go about making that happen? Contact xanatox013@earthlink.net


Actually, you are incorrect. According to Jamie Chambers, who wrote the RPG, he's only met Joss Whedon twice, briefly. He also has said, "there was no direct contact with Joss or his office during the creation of the Serenity Role Playing Game."[1] Shsilver 12:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured vs. Additional

So, what exactly is the difference between Worlds Featured in Firefly and Additional Worlds? My initial thought is that Additional Worlds were merely mentioned, but there are some in there that are actually seen and on which action takes place, so what exactly is the determining factor? -- Masterzora 05:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dyton v. Titan

It says that Badger was raised on "Muir" and then that he could be from "Dyton". Is one of these wrong?

My current thinking is that both of these are wrong; from River's conversation with Badger in "Shindig", it seems that Badger was born on Titan. Where "Dyton" and "Muir" come from is beyond me. To me, "Dyton" seemed like a misspelling of "Titan", and I made that edit some time ago, only to have it reverted by someone who felt that the spelling was correct. Yet the subtitles on "Shindig" clearly spell it as Titan. Thus, I am at a loss. If someone could give a cite for "Dyton" and "Muir", I'd appreciate it. Logomancer 05:39, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

According to Firefly: The Official Companion, by Joss Whedon, the spelling is Dyton, not Titan. Shsilver 21:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
It's spelled Dyton as well in the RPG plus I think it was the the RPG that said Badger was born on Muir, but raised on Dyton. Cyberia23 06:00, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] names of planets/moons/etc

where did all these names come from? i think someone should cite them, some people could just come in and add names... -Xornok 01:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Most names came from dialog in the show of course. A few came from the comic books and the role-playing game, although the comics and RPG are technically considered "non-canon". Cyberia23 22:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Since the comics havea story by Joss Whedon and he was active in their production, I would say that they qualify as canon. Other planet names come from Serenity: The Visual Companion by Joss Whedon, again, a canon source. Shsilver 01:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where could they have gone?

I'm sort of big into Astronomy and I was wondering if for a moment, consider Firefly's star system was some star system relatively close to our solar system. Since they left Earth and went into space, and they don't have faster-than-light capability, has anyone wondered what star system they could have traveled to? Whedon never said where they went, so I have two candidate star systems they could have gone to.

One is Sirius, a hot white star, and if it had planets, it could have a large biozone where several Earth-like planets could reside. Sirius at only 8.6 light years away could have been traveled to by humans of Earth within a hundred years or so. I don't know how fast their arc ships actually traveled but I think by the year 2517 they had plenty of time to get there and establish a society.

If the 'verse has multiple stars as some (like me) suggest, my next pick would be the multiple Xi Scorpii system, which has three yellow stars very similar to Sol relatively close to each other, less than 8000 AU (appx 0.13 ly) apart. It has three other stars which two are K-type dwarfs and they think there is a brown dwarf. These could possibly hold planets as well. Only problem is Xi Scorpii is about 90.2 light years away and would take Humans an eternity to reach unless their arc ships, although sub-light, achieved speeds close to that of light. I think a ship could travel as much as 70% the speed of light before the effects of time-dilation and critical mass begin to affect the crew. At that speed it would take about 130 years or so to reach the system, and still give them about 300 years to establish a society there. That would also say they left Earth around the year 2093 or so or 2193 if they only had 200 years to set up society.

What do you guys think? Cyberia23 22:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Location of the Academy

It says in a few bits of movie canon other than the movie that the Academy is located on osiris. Arisa 01:05, 05 November 2006 (EST)==

[edit] Unspecified worlds featured in Serenity

The location of the classroom where young River Tam is attending school. Since it is mentioned in the Firefly series that the Tam family resided on Osiris, and the Tam children were raised there, the classroom was most likely on that world." I was pretty sure those scenes took place on Miranda, and that River interpolated herself into the action as part of a memory that wasn't hers. She was sort of confabulating to explain to herself why she knew of the deaths of Miranda's people. Any thoughts? Boris B 10:31, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that there is too much in the scene that directly touches on Miranda, it was basically a bit of exposition for the benefit of us the viewers. Therefore, it seems simplest to suppose that it really was a memory of River's own, a lesson that she'd been a part of long before going to the Academy. Also, the dialog seems to ring more true for a teacher and students on a central world than a newly established frontier colony, (even a very sophisticated one.) 66.207.110.2 13:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soonal?

I'm wondering about the provenance of 'Soonal' in the list of additional worlds (listed as 'location of Inara's Companion House'). Unless there's some other reference for it I suspect it's a mis-hearing of 'Sihnon' from the coversation between Mal and Nandi in the episode 'Heart of Gold', specifically the phrase "She ever tell you why she left Sihnon?" (round about 17 minutes in). It does sound a lot like 'Soonal', but is clearly 'Sihnon' when listened to carefully. Additionaly the conversation between Mal and Nandi clearly indicates that she and Inara trained together in the same Companion House, and later (about 20:30 minutes) that Nandi trained on Sihnon. -- Purple Wyrm 03:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

No one seems to want to defend this entry, so I have removed it. -- Rsholmes 18:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'Verse image update

Fellow Browncoats, here's how it is... I've gotten a few requests for a higher rez image of my original 'Verse diagram that I made, but I've lost that file somewhere, and because I really didn't like it anyway, I made a new one - and this time more true to the Role-Playing Game's 'Verse map which has Miranda in the foreground and that obscure "pentagram" thing going on. Of course, not to copy that map exactly, my map differs as the blue giant star in the center isn't in the original map, nor are the arrangements of the orbits the same.

This is an abstract map, so don't ask me which star Persephone orbits, or where Londinium is because I have no idea, and they're wherever you want them to be.

This map assumes that the 'Verse is a "close" multiple-star system, considered a single, yet complex star system. Each system can pretty much spit on eachother as far as astronomical distances are concerned, and this would allow sub-light ships to travel between, but probably would still take months, or a year if they could at least travel close to the speed of light.

Since there isn't a clear definition in the show as to what constitues a "core" or "central" planet, in the case of multiple stars, each star would have a couple principal and important planets that would designated "core worlds", and they don't all have to be around the same star. Likewise the "outer planets" are each star's outermost worlds. Cyberia23 10:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blue sun facility?

Whitefall: "A Blue Sun facility is rumored to be underneath one of the mountains." What's the source of this? -- Rsholmes 18:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

It's taken from the Serenity RPG. I guess it should either be marked as non-canon or deleted? Purple Wyrm 00:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 89 million miles

I was watching "The Train Job" last night, and at the end the Blue Hands say "We haven't come 89 million miles for some stolen medical supplies," or something to that effect. This would indicate that 89 million miles is a fairly long distance to them; it's approximately the distance between the Earth and Mars, another strong indicator that space travel is well below FTL speeds. I wasn't quite sure how to incorporate a mention of it, but thought it should be in there somewhere. dharmabum 17:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "rv, there's no need to refute any misunderstandings"

I don't understand.63.88.58.254 18:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I meant that I don't feel it's necessary for the page to have a paragraph explaining that an opinion that some people might have is probably wrong. --Nalvage 19:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] citations?

Many of the worlds listed under the 'Unknown (moon or planet)' category haven't been mentioned in any of the episodes. Where were they mentioned? Also, do we know for a fact that all the places listed on this page are either planets or moons? Some of them may be cities. I'm thinking of Constance. 218.215.156.129 04:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Georgia is not a planet

Georgia is always referred to as the "Georgia system". There's nothing at all to suggest it's a planet. It's not shown on the Worlds of the Alliance chart. I removed it but someone put it back. Why? 218.215.151.129 (talk) 00:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

There is no conclusive information on Georgia - whether it's a gas giant planet or a solar system in it's own right. It seems most fans consider the Firefly verse as one solar system as the ships are all sublight craft and all the planets orbit a single star. If that is the case, then Georgia is a planet, probably a super gas giant with a "system" of terraformed moons (which is what the RPG tells us). If not, then Georgia could be one of the stars of the system with it's own planets. No one but Joss Whedon can tell us. Since the RPG is licensed book and adapted from Joss Whedon's works, then Georgia should remain as a planet with it's own habitable moons. Cyberia23 (talk) 05:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

What page of the RPG book does it say that Georgia is a gas giant planet? I could only find two mentions of Georgia in the RPG book (pages 206 and 216) and both times it's called 'Georgia system'. 218.215.178.122 (talk) 10:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bernadette

The information about Bernadette on this page is entirely false. Bernadette is a planet, not a moon, it is terraformed and it's one of the core planets. The only information on Bernadette comes from the RPG book. How could such completely false information go uncorrected for so long? 218.215.151.129 (talk) 00:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, the humanity! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.88.58.254 (talk) 21:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)