Talk:List of English people

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[edit] Professor Moriarty

I wasn't aware this article included fictional characters, is this so? - bbcmicro —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbcmicro (talk • contribs) 00:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wellington

The Duke of Wellington was born in Ireland, do we keep him in? -Cadr

Well, he himself supposedly said that being born in a stable doesn't make you a horse. I imagine he considered himself to be an Englishman. I think that Anglo-Irish types who made their career in England can be called English. john 06:16, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Yes I agree he should be in the list, but we'd need to change the definition at the top of the page. Does anybody have any suggestions? -Cadr
Something along the lines of 'This is a partial list of English people, alphabetically within categories. Whilst the majority listed below were born in England, those born overseas who are considered English are also represented i.e. Duke of Wellington.' Let me know what you think... - Luke
I don't believe Wellington 'considered himself to be an Englishman'. Wikipedia rightly calls him an 'Anglo-Irish British Army soldier. He was Irish and British, but not English. Xn4 00:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Military

A rather paltry list of military men and women. Some obvious omissions, just from late 19th Century and 20th (I know these don't accord with Wikipedia naming conventions):

Field Marshal Lord Roberts; FM Sir Garnet Wolsley; FM Viscount Alanbrooke; FM Sir Douglas Haig; FM Sir William Slim; FM Sir Claude Auchinleck; ACM Sir Hugh Dowding; ACM Lord Portal; FM Earl Wavell; Admiral Lord Jellicoe; Admiral Lord Beatty; Admiral Lord Cunningham;

[Philip Hurst 5/12/03]

[edit] Dowding

Dowding was born in Scotland. Were his parents English or did he identify with England over Scotland? If not, then I suggest that he should be removed from the list. 88.105.142.121 12:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Actors

  • I have added Elizabeth Taylor and Leslie Howard to the Actors/Actresses page. They both had non-British mothers and fathers but were born British. Perhaps they should only be on the British people page but I think it's appropriate to put them on the English people page. WikiUser 19:17, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Simon de Montfort

  • I've added Simon de Montfort. Of the categories in the contents list Other Notables seems the best place to list him. "English statesman and soldier" may not be the best way to describe him but it'll do for now. I think he is sometimes also called the father of Parliament.WikiUser 19:43, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] In the List?

---210.128.247.147 09:07, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
  • why isn't J.R.R. Tolkien in the list of famous english writers. isn't he english?

Why are The Beatles listed as the "Greatest band of all time"?

[edit] English monarchs

Why are several monarchs of Great Britain and the United Kingdom listed as English, this is clearly wrong, many are in fact ethnically German and many of those that are not were certainly not English, nor ever monarchs of any such kingdom. This is POV and just plain wrong.Alun 07:18, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

This whole thing has problems - how many of these people are proved / verified to be English and how many were just born there? Or does being born in England make you English now? Bretonbanquet 15:07, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I tend to agree, we don't know how many of these people would have considered themselves English. Alfred the Great was King of Wessex and later of the Anglo-Saxons, his idea of English and our modern idea are, if not mutually exclusive, then certainly very different. Some of these people were/are certainly English, but it is very strange to claim that any monarchs after James I and VI are English, as these were all either monarchs of England/Scotland (and Ireland) or of Great Britain or of the UK, and to attribute a single national identity (English) to any one would be a distortion of history and the constituton. Alun 17:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No Clive Owen?

Shouldn't Clive Owen be added?

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[edit] Missing

There are people missing from the list. Stutley 17:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Murderers?

Is thsipart really neccesary? Scotland and Wales don't have murderers and I don't think it reflects too well 172.216.101.10 (talk) 20:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

They are Scottish and Welsh murderers I suspect nobody has added them to the lists yet. MilborneOne 22:46, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changed nationality

In the section The following were born English, but changed nationality later in their life should it be made clear that anybody born after 1707 would have British not English nationality. The only way you could be English after 1707 would be to be born in England. MilborneOne 22:46, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bands

Anybody explain how a list of people has musical bands listed in it ? MilborneOne 23:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stan Laurel

Should we move Stan Laurel to actors and actresses because i think he deserves more than being in 'Other notables' as he was one of the team that changed the course of comedic history —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikey123321 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I have moved him to actors and actresses as you rightly say that is his notability. MilborneOne (talk) 22:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)