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Contents 1 Fans' Stadium 2 Old Trafford is not the second biggest fooball stadium in the world 3 Darlington 4 Next season 5 Too big? 6 Overall Rank 7 List is incomplete 8 Halifax Town 9 REMEMBER 10 Rotherham Half-built 11 Dvisions outside top five 12 England? 13 Altitude 14 Leamington FC's New Windmill Ground 15 I think you guys have a vandal 16 welsh grounds 17 Citation Needed for Ashburton Grove being the largest club stadium in London 18 Ricoh Arena 19 Editing following promotion/relegation issues

[edit] Fans' Stadium

I am stating here why I am reverting the anonymous user's edits to stadium titles. I am reverting to the title on the article on The Fans' Stadium in order to place it in line with all other football stadiums. In all other cases where a name has been given for sponsorship or similar reasons, its entry has been placed in article under that name.

See also: Arsenal Stadium, known almost universally as Highbury, Bradford & Bingley Stadium known by fans and pundits alike by its former Valley Parade, the list goes on and on. Besides this The Fans' Stadium - Kingsmeadow isn't an appropriate title for an article given that it does not follow the usual naming terms, The Fans' Stadium (Kingsmeadow) would be far more appropriate, but still incorrect given that the official title is the Fans' Stadium, whether it is known to most fans as Kingsmeadow or not is unimportant given that in every other case the article has been named for the official title.

See User_talk:12.144.5.2#Fans.27_Stadium for our discussion on this. Grunners 23:37, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm Louis Epstein,the user from IP 12.144.5.2 who opposes registration for websites as a matter of principle whose edit he reverted.The most pertinent point perhaps is that KM has NEVER been officially titled nothing but "The Fans' Stadium",and the recent move of the article,by someone other than either of us,to The Fans' Stadium, Kingsmeadow perhaps states the situation best.

More broadly,I STRONGLY oppose the treatment of stadium names that are created by naming rights deals as the most "official" names.Just like the Isthmian League,or the Football League itself,which have had multiple title sponsors,the underlying names should be used for article titles and the entire histories covered there,not moved whenever a new sponsor signs up or treated as separate from anything under a different naming rights contract.--L.E./le@put.com/12.144.5.2 04:43, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Old Trafford is not the second biggest fooball stadium in the world

It as not even close.

Camp Nou = 98,918

Santiago Bernabéu = 80,354

Wembley = 90,000

Maracana Stadium = 200,000, 155,000 seated

And that's just a few off the top of my head

We always strive for "off the top of my head" sourcing. Thanks for complying. - Dudesleeper | Talk 13:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Darlington

This page says 27,500 but if you click the stadium name to go to its own article it says 25,000. I couldn't find a reliable source in the 50 seconds I could spare MikesPlant 14:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

The Darlington stadium page has been changed - the two sources are now in synch MikesPlant 16:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Next season

Can we please leave off updating for next season until all the playoffs have been completed? — sjorford++ 08:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

With the League Two play-off done today, I've now updated the rankings.HornetMike 18:16, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too big?

The page now tells me it is too big. Perhaps we should put the future stadiums and old stadiums into a new page, something like "Ground developments in English football"? HornetMike 18:16, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Well 30kb isn't TOO big, especially as the page is in sections so these can be edited by people with slower browsers with no problem. The new stadiums list is never going to be too big at any one time, but the former ones will always grow; so how about just creating a 'List of defunct English football stadia'? --Robdurbar 20:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Good work! HornetMike 00:10, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Overall Rank

I like the new overall rank column, but my concern is it'll be very difficult to add new stadia as you'll have to edit the numbers of all the clubs below it. Is there any way of getting round that? HornetMike 23:11, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I did think about that when I put this column in. I added it by copying the table into Excel, playing around a bit and then pasting it back in. I concluded that there would be others who would/could do similar - but I'll keep my eye on it as well. MikesPlant 13:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Wish Id've blimmin' thought of this before I bumped Rotherham up due to their new stand! --Gavinio 07:10, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

And I'm having problems with the divisional rankings after my edit a few minutes ago. It's all a bit beyond me in my knackered state, I'm afraid. - Dudesleeper · Talk 03:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List is incomplete

I'm well aware that this list is only a "partial list"; but as it stands, it is grossly misleading.
It is accurate and can be maintained for the top five tiers of the Football Pyramid, but beyond that, we only have selected stadia included on the list. One glaring omission is Mossley A.F.C.'s Seel Park (4,500 capacity) [1], but there are probably other grounds that have been forgotten too.

Perhaps we should have our list of stadia by capacity for just the national divisions of the football pyramid.

Then maybe we should have an entirely separate list of all other stadia with capacity greater than 3,000.
SimonMayer 01:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

How about restricting this list to grounds of League Two criteria and above — isn't that about 6,000? That would still allow a fair number of non-League grounds. With the limit set at 3,000, it is much harder to maintain, as you point out. Note that there was no limit originally until I removed two very small grounds in May — I didn't want to trim the list any more than that but perhaps I should have. — sjorford++ 17:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be a shame to loose a fair number of Conference grounds on that limit, considering the strength of the League nowadays. I'm not sure, there should be some limit. Perhaps only those in Conference North/South and above? That would include all the professional club grounds.HornetMike 11:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

It would be a shame to lose some of the interesting trivia where big stadia are occupied by smaller clubs, such as Gateshead. As a list, I think it should be complete, and the length of the article isn't a problem so much as in text articles. --Gavinio 07:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Halifax Town

The official Shay Stadium website quotes the capacity at currently just 6,561. http://www.shaystadium.co.uk/shaystadium/fac1.shtml

[edit] REMEMBER

If you move a club up the list after a capacity increase it's not just the overall rank you need to change. Remember to edit the League ranking. Cheers, HornetMike 11:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rotherham Half-built

Millmoor is no more than half built (having been there a week ago!) and can't be up to 10,000. Apparently there's little chance that the ground will be finished in the near future, so do we know what the actual capacity is at the moment? I'm fairly sure it's not the 7,500 that's in its article. --Gavinio 23:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dvisions outside top five

These figures are taken from the clubs' articles. I know not all these have been included on the main table. Clubs are ordered by division and then by capacity.

Conference North: Worcester City: ??? Blyth Spartans A.F.C.: ??? Leigh RMI: 10,000 Stalybridge Celtic: 6,500 Scarborough: 6,400 Kettering Town: 6,264 Nuneaton Borough A.F.C.: 6,000 Redditch United: 5,000 Barrow A.F.C.: 4,500 Gainsborough Trinity: 4,304 Hinckley United: 4,329 Hyde United: 4,100 Harrogate Town: 3,800 Alfreton Town: 3,600 Lancaster City: 3,500 Moor Green: 3,250 Worksop Town: 3,200 Workington A.F.C.: 3,101 Droylsden: 3,000 Farsley Celtic A.F.C.: 3,000 Hucknall Town: 3,000 Vauxhall Motors: 2,500

Conference South: Fisher Athletic: 8,000 Sutton United: 7,000 Basingstoke Town: 6,000 Eastbourne Borough: 5,664 Welling United: 5,500 Havant & Waterlooville: 5,250 Dorchester Town: 5,009 Eastleigh: 5,000 Hayes: 4,730 Newport County A.F.C.: 4,300 Farnborough Town : 4,163 Bedford Town: 4,000 Bishop's Stortford: 4,000 Bognor Regis Town: 4,000 Braintree Town: 4,000 Salisbury City: 3,740 Thurrock: 3,500 Yeading: 3,500 Histon: 3,250 Weston-super-Mare A.F.C.: 3,000 Cambridge City: 3,000 Lewes: 3,000

Southern League Premier: Cirencester Town: ??? Halesowen Town: ??? Hemel Hempstead Town: ??? Northwood: ??? Stamford: ??? Wealdstone: ??? Yate Town: ??? Merthyr Tydfil: 10,000 Bath City/Team Bath: 8,800 (ground share) Rugby Town: 6,000 King's Lynn: 5,733 Gloucester City A.F.C.: 5,500 Hitchin Town: 4,000 Clevedon Town: 3,900 Tiverton Town: 3,500 Chippenham Town: 3,000 Corby Town: 3,000 Maidenhead United: 3,000 Cheshunt: 2,500 Mangotsfield United: 2,500 Banbury United: 2,000

Northern PL Prem: A.F.C. Telford United: 6,300 Ashton United: 4,000

[edit] England?

I think you should note that Cardiff is in fact in Wales though they play in the English League system. Sorry to be pedantic but you do have Berwick in the list with a note. 130.237.175.198 13:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Altitude

I've created a similar page on Highest English Football Stadia by Altitude. If anyone has anything to contribute, please go ahead. --Gavinio 14:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leamington FC's New Windmill Ground

As much as I hate to shout down my beloved Leamington FC I must take their name off this list until someone can provide a reference prooving that the capacity is 4,000. I have been there when the crowd has been around the 1,400 mark and it was jam packed. Cls14 17:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I think you guys have a vandal

I know almost nothing about this subject, but it appears to me you might have a vandal inserting realistic-looking but fake information into the article, interspersed with legitimate edits by other editors (which is going to make it hard to revert). Someone more knowledgeable than me should look into 81.155.73.237's edit history and revert/warn/block if I'm right. If this is indeed vandalism, you might want to follow up on their other contributions on other football-related pages. --barneca (talk) 00:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Looking at their edits further, I'm not as confident now; at least some are definitely legit (fixing broken links/spelling), but there is a lot of changing stadium names/capacities, and an editor at Conference National labelled it vandalism. If I'm wrong, please let me know and I'll apologize for sticking my nose into something I know nothing about. --barneca (talk) 00:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] welsh grounds

should these be removed as it is english stadia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.74.93.139 (talk) 18:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Mabye someone could create a similar list of Welsh grounds, through I'll admit at present there isn't much to go on there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.40.109 (talk) 10:54, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone removed the Millenium Stadium the other day on the grounds of it being in Wales. Fair enough but as it's hosted the English FA Cup, there is potentially an argument for it's inclusion. On the other hand, if we exclude grounds in Wales, then Ninian Park, St Davids Stadium (both Cardiff City), the Liberty Stadium (Swansea City), the Racecourse Ground (Wrexham) & Newport Stadium (Newport County) should all be removed from this list too. - JVG (talk) 02:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citation Needed for Ashburton Grove being the largest club stadium in London

Is it needed? Isn't it obvious that it is by the fact that it is the first London-based club stadium on the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.212.93 (talk) 21:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ricoh Arena

Someone keeps moving the Ricoh Arena up the list. According to the reference, [2] the Ricoh Arena is 32,500, and indeed the official site states it is only 32,000 (I will in fact edit the main article now having done this research). If an alternate and more reliable source can be found, please cite. L.J.Skinner^{wot|I did} 02:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

The Ricoh Arena. Coventry City Football Club. Retrieved on 2007-11-02. - user 86.156.147.234 (talk) still moving it up the list. I have warned them. L.J.Skinner^{wot|I did} 11:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing following promotion/relegation issues

A user has just edited the list, changing the City Ground (Notts Forest) from league 1 to The Championship. Whilst this is perfectly true, they did not edit the other grounds in either division, to reflect their rising/falling rank within the league.

Might I suggest that the list is not edited until ALL the issues have been decided? Aside from the fact that stating Notts Forest are in the Championship being incorrect (the transfer does not take place until June) it is also, frankly, a pain in the backside if 5 or 6 users separately change 2 or 3 clubs. L.J.Skinner^{wot|I did} 01:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)