Talk:List of Elfen Lied characters

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[edit] Lucy's nonviolence towards Kurama

Both when she passes him down the hall in the beginning, and when she is smacked by him after hurting Nana, she does not attack or retaliate, despite the fact that he has taken part in experimentations on Diclonius children. Why? (the article doesn't say)--Dch111 18:02, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Edit: Already answered in main article discussion. --Dch111 01:15, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

It's one of those "I won't kill you, that would be too good for you, I'll let you live so I can make you suffer" things. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 02:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Justification of my edits

I've been bold and done a major edit on this article:

  1. Kouta is indeed Kouta and not Kōta, the characters of his name do not contain a long "ō" which is indicated by "ー". Kouta's name is actually broken up like this: コ(ko)ウ(u)タ(ta).
  2. I changed the seiyu, voice actor format. We've had this discussion before at the wikiproject. If anyone needs me to repeat myself as to why I format the way I do, just ask.
  3. I made misc edits to the prose. Those should be pretty obvious.

- Phorque 16:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Should Lucy get her own page?

If a page was made for Lucy(based on both the anime and manga), could there be enough information for a page? I've only skimmed the manga, so I don't really know. Nemu 20:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

There's no need to split her into her own article since it works to have her where she is already. -- (十八|talk) 22:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
It just seems as the main charater, that she could use her own page. With all three personalities (at least I think there is a third one in the manga), and all her other things, it could be a nice looking article. Nemu 22:47, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Be that as it may, for right now her profile simply does not have enough content to create such an article as it is unfeasible to remove her from the characters list. -- (十八|talk) 23:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh, no, the article would be much larger. That would just the base. The current information in this article would stay. There would just be a "Main article: Lucy (Elfen Lied)" thing above it. Nemu 23:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
But where would all this new information come from in the first place and not only that, but adding all of this information may end up being no more than fancruft in the eyes of Wikipedians. Also, I would have to say that it'd be a bit biased only to give Lucy her own article in that if you were so inclinded to do it for her, you should do it for the rest as well or not at all. -- (十八|talk) 00:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
It would be a work in progress that would hopefully have other editors helping. I would get the base information needed from chapter summaries (unless it's finaly been scanlated). It would be the base information for a fictional character (Apperance, abilities, background, personalities, brief summary of plot in the anime/manga, ect...). It wouldn't be baised, she is the main character along with Kouta. He and the minor characters don't really have enough information to have an article. There are many main characters with pages while the minor ones stay on the character page. Nemu 00:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I could help with the getting information. It would be great to see an Elfen Lied charter get a independent page. It would have to be unbiased as you suggested, since with Elfen Lied, people will tend to be biased. User:John Ryan

I am making it a personal mission to get Lucy her own page. As you can see, I've already rounded it out considerably here. No, obviously every character won't get their own page; heck I doubt even Kouta deserves his own article. But Lucy is the main character of the show and thus more than probably merits her own page. I will look over some other characters who have their own pages and wikiprojectanime's criteria for "What justifies and independent article" and get it done. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 04:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I could use some help bringing this up to code: Lucy (Elfen Lied) --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 06:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nana's everyday life

Should Dan kim's popular "nana's everyday life" get a blurb within nana's section? it's really the biggest reason she has a fan following. User:Hentai_Jeff

While I don't know what that is, if you believe it to be important enough for inclusion then Be Bold and go ahead.--(十八|talk) 13:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
The "biggest reason she has a fan following"? Excuse me, but I'd like to see proof of this. I, for one, am against inclusion of anything more being mentioned about the "Nana's Everyday Life" comic. It's bad enough that there is a link to it already. It's nothing more than fan fiction and, in my opinion, should not even be mentioned in this article in the first place. ChibiKareshi 10:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Also, the website that the comic originated from is gone, either temporarily or permanantly, but I have no idea how long it's been offline. Either way, I now know what this is, and am against it's inclusion.--十八 11:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
AT BEST, it merited a link in "external links; fan fiction": but no, this is not "what made Nana popular", or anything, it's just a random webcomic.--Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 13:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I am suggesting that the link to the "Nana's Everyday Life" comic be removed from Nana's character section. This article is about characters in *Elfen Lied*. Think of the madness that would ensue if Wikipedia decided to link anime characters to fanfiction. ChibiKareshi 07:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Notable fanfiction is worthy of mention. Non-notable fanfiction isn't. You'll find, for instance, that Superman's page does have a mention of that one joke essay on how he could(n't) reproduce due to his sperm moving at lightspeed. --tjstrf talk 09:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I still have my resentments about that link sitting there. (I also have my doubts about that Superman link you mentioned, but I am not as passionate about Superman as to care.) Does this mean if I should write a comic about, say, Bandou and have enough people read it, it warrants putting a link on the section for his character? ChibiKareshi 09:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, if your comic was famous enough for an article, it would mean exactly that. Orihime Inoue has a link to Loituma Girl for the same reason. While in 98% of cases, fan culture that develops around a character is of no importance whatsoever to Wikipedia and rightfully should be removed, in the few cases where the fan culture is notable enough to be the subject of its own article, it should obviously be mentioned on the character's page. --tjstrf talk 10:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
But when the website that hosted said comic disappears, shouldn't the reference be taken out on that basis alone? Now that the website isn't there, if a reader comes across the comic reference in the article, they'll try to follow the link only to be led to a dead end, so I think as a courtesy for the reader it should be removed.--十八 10:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
She looks alive to me. Though rather miserable and bleeding. --tjstrf talk 10:34, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Well I'll be damned; it wasn't there the last time I checked it, albeit that was over a week ago. Either way, I'm still againsn't it's inclusion. Just how notable can you really say this comic is?--十八 11:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
At least between itself, the author Dan Kim, and the other comics hosted on the same site, it was notable enough to survive one of the great webcomic deletion sprees. So by webcomic standards, quite. If it were just a passing mention of her in the comic, then I'd agree the reference was trivial, but she's the main focus. --tjstrf talk 16:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

But we're talking about notability here. Is the comic notable enough for enclusion is what you should be asking. And notablility isn't an opinion. Give me one good (referenced) reason why this comic should be included in the article.--十八 21:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Its quality as a webcomic is completely irrelevant. Just because the comic itself was thought good enough to survive a "deletion spree" does not mean it is notable for the Elfen Lied characters article. How about some proof that this comic is relevant to Nana's fan culture? --ChibiKareshi 07:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey guys, I added the Nana's Everyday Life thing to the main article ages ago to illustrate that the anime had enough of an influence outside of Japan for a fancomic to be translated into several other languages (which is unusual for a webcomic, amirite?). I view this comic as asserting Elfen Lied's notability somewhat like a tribute album does for a recording artist. Mentioning it here, however, is just redundant and unnecessary, so let's leave it just in the main article. I'm in awe that there's so much discussion over it here. - Phorque 15:47, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lucy "partially manufactured" the Nyu personality?

What's all this then? I'm not sure of this. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 02:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Non-free images

It's general courtesy to flag non-free images and discuss rather than outright removing them. As mentioned on the main article talk page, the non-free images policy doesn't outright ban images as used below. though I think that top image could be moved down onto the character list and used for several characters, as recommended in the WP. (PS. I'm not new to wikipedia, I understand fair use and the policies surrounding it. Let's discuss this rather than having an edit war) --Kraftlos (talk) 08:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Not when you were already advised they do not belong. And you do not seem to have a clear understanding of the current non-free policy that you added them, then put them back. The one group image is acceptable. 1-2 more group images to illustrate some of the major character groupings could be acceptable. Individual is not. To read up on this: Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 32#Images on list articles and Wikipedia:Non-free content#Non-free image use in list articles. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 14:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Again, not a blanket ban on individual pictures. It DOES say that you should try to use an official cast shot when possible to cover multiple items, like I proposed. And you cannot have a picture for EVERY character. However nothing here says you can't have ANY individual character non-free images. I've read all the discussions and I'm still not seeing where you are coming from. I'm going to discuss it more on the main page. --Kraftlos (talk) 18:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
  • sigh* Believe what you like. I've already been through the process on multiple character lists. If you add them back, I won't revert, but I'm going ahead and leaving a note at WP:NONFREE for additional views. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 18:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merger Proposal

Most of the content on the Lucy and Nyū page is unsourced. We should salvage what we can and delete the article. There's no real reason for them to have their own article. --Kraftlos (talk) 10:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

  • I support this merger. I have not seen much information about Lucy/Nyū that could be used to develop the necessary real-world aspects of a standalone article, or show that they pass the notability requirements. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I just went through the Lucy/Nyū article and there literally is nothing here that was based on independant sources. It just looks like original research. Any problems with just flagging it for deletion and skipping the merger altogether? --Kraftlos (talk) 22:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Support. But we need to extend some of the details, and possibly the image, in the character articles. ætərnal ðrAعon 02:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)