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[edit] General Tao
Can General Tao (Taopaipai) have his own article? If not, can I at least add videogame appearances to his section in this article? Buster Sword
[edit] Partial Humans
Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Bra, Pan, Goku Jr, and Vegeta Jr. are listed as Partial Saiyans on the Saiyans list, so why not as Partial Humans on this list? That is a good ideia.
[edit] Whats up???
What happen didn't Videl have her own article i mean she played a huge role in the Great Saiyaman saga and the saga after it. Please comment on this or make a new article on her because too much stuff is being deleted. Charles Locke 21:30, 12 March 2007
[edit] bring back mr.satan page
We need to get Mr.Satan his own page again.
No. He's a minor character. Despite his relationship with Majin Buu, there's nothing notable about him to have his own article. -- ZeroGiga 17:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
You have got to be kidding me. He's played parts in the movies, had a commentary role in the Cell Saga, and absolutely, undeniably was one of the main characters of the Majin Buu Saga. He is MUCH more than his relationship to Majin Buu. You need to go back and reread or rewatch the series. Mr. Satan's page will be rightfully up in the next few days. -- Detective X (talk) 08:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- I have to agree with ZeroGiga and Detective X. Satan played a fairly major role since he first appeared. He played a part in Gohan turning Super Saiyan 2 (threw #16's head so it could talk to Gohan), got Majin Buu to stop killing people, convinced the people of Earth to give Goku energy for the super genki dama, and saved Vegeta so Goku could use the attack. I think the guy deserves a lot more than to just be lumped in with all "minor" characters. On a somewhat related note, could all uses of "Hercule Satan" please be removed? His name is either Hercule or Mr. Satan, depending on which translation you want to use. -Krendall (talk) 20:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Merge
Hiya there. I'm proposing a merge for all of the humans with articles. Bulma and Master Roshi HAVE NO SOURCES, and Krillin, Yamcha, and Tenshinhan's articles are so butchered to hell, they're screamin' for a merger. -- ZeroGiga 17:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- I support a merge. I (talk) 03:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose the merge. Beowulph, Thanos6 and I worked hard on the Yamcha article, and someone decided to ruin it. I can work on it (and others) again, and I believe that Beowulph would like to join me. These characters are too notable to be in a single article too. And pls Soleil you are not helping, explain why should it be merged?! That goes for everyone else. SSJ 5 (talk) 01:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- Because they lack independant notability, and thus should not have their own article. I (talk) 02:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- They were very notable in Dragon Ball and the first half of Dragon Ball Z ... So yeah, they are notable DB/Z characters ... SSJ 5 (talk) 03:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- They were not what Wikipedia considers notable, however. I (talk) 04:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- No, they're not what YOU consider notable. I'm going to fight this to my dying breath. All the ones remaining are notable, and indeed all the ones that were merged are as well. Thanos6 (talk) 05:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- Have you read the guideline? It says that each character needs significant, non-trivial coverage by sources independant of the subject. None of the articles have this. It is really objective criteria. I (talk) 05:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- No, it's lame criteria. And besides, who decides what counts as non-trivial? Nothing is trivial if someone cares about it. Thanos6 (talk) 06:22, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- These characters have their background explained in manga, anime, anime conventions, data books and video games info about each character (Most notably Budokai Tenkaichi series games, which gave some new unknown info). There are many, many sources. So we know much about them, and as Thanos6 said "Nothing is trivial if someone cares about it." SSJ 5 (talk) 13:54, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- No, it's lame criteria. And besides, who decides what counts as non-trivial? Nothing is trivial if someone cares about it. Thanos6 (talk) 06:22, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- Have you read the guideline? It says that each character needs significant, non-trivial coverage by sources independant of the subject. None of the articles have this. It is really objective criteria. I (talk) 05:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- No, they're not what YOU consider notable. I'm going to fight this to my dying breath. All the ones remaining are notable, and indeed all the ones that were merged are as well. Thanos6 (talk) 05:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- They were not what Wikipedia considers notable, however. I (talk) 04:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- They were very notable in Dragon Ball and the first half of Dragon Ball Z ... So yeah, they are notable DB/Z characters ... SSJ 5 (talk) 03:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- Because they lack independant notability, and thus should not have their own article. I (talk) 02:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
←If you think the criteria are lame, then try to get them changed, because as of now, they are community consensus and thus what we follow. And if you are going to fight the word trivial, then we'll use "significant coverage by reliable sources", which all of these articles lack. I (talk) 23:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- As do many others (Duh ...) ... But, DD articles all have data books and large online communities from which we could draw info. As I said what is your problem here? Info can be provided. SSJ 5 (talk) 04:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- It is not lack of information that is the problem. It is lack of notability. I (talk) 04:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- Again, no such thing as lack of notability. Thanos6 (talk) 14:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- Read over WP:N, WP:V, and WP:RS. TTN (talk) 19:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- I did. They are wrong. There is no small-important information...only small-minded editors. Thanos6 (talk) 01:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
- Glad to see that YOU showed up for the fray, friend. Anyway, I suggested this in the first place because somebody chopped the Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien articles to almost NOTHING. Tien's article, for example, is literally just some plot info and some "fireball attacks!" bullsh*t. That's some notability, right? Also, there's no point in having articles with no sources and stub articles. -- ZeroGiga 17:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Read over WP:N, WP:V, and WP:RS. TTN (talk) 19:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- Again, no such thing as lack of notability. Thanos6 (talk) 14:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- It is not lack of information that is the problem. It is lack of notability. I (talk) 04:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- Support a merge. No basis here for independent articles. Eusebeus (talk) 20:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- I support a merge. There is no existing creation/conception, out-of-universe and reception data on any of the articles. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
- I would support a merge instead of fighting about this in AfD. Yes, these characters were important for the story (I watched DBZ a couple of years ago and liked it a lot), but they are not notable independent of the work of fiction they appear in. The Bulma article still has no demonstration of significant coverage in reliable sources despite having had to endure AfD twice in the past three months, so it is getting hard to overlook lacking notability. – sgeureka t•c 22:09, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
- They were VERY IMPORTANT IN DRAGONBALL!!! VERY!!! SSJ 5 (talk) 13:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
- And BTW Yamcha is confirmed to appear in the live-action movie, and have a significant role ... SSJ 5 (talk) 14:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
- So Yamcha's gonna appear in some shitty live-action movie. That's no excuse to give him an article, ESPECIALLY one that is a stub or near stub. Sry, but adding that fact isn't enough to break this. Perhaps you should bring back the abilities and cite their sources, that should at least improve Yamcha by a margin. BTW, if you're looking for the guy who "messed up" the article, look at the history. Sessomaru's (spl??) your man. ZeroGiga (Contact) 16:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
- Ok I shall do so ... SSJ 5 (talk) 05:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
- Good enough or do I need to do more ? SSJ 5 (talk) 15:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
- You need real world information, not in-universe information. TTN (talk) 21:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
- That too ??? Ok gimme some time ... SSJ 5 (talk) 00:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- Well, you got til' Christmas before I (or maybe TTN) merge all the articles. Get to work! >:3 Oh, and make sure you get the info for Master Roshi and Bulma too. -- ZeroGiga (contact) 9:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- Do not merge anything yet ... Some people oppose this as you can see ... SSJ 5 (talk) 04:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
- And BTW I could use some help on that if anyone feels like it ? SSJ 5 (talk) 00:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- And I want to encourage others to work on Kuririn and Tenshinhan articles as well SSJ 5 (talk) 02:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- Well, you got til' Christmas before I (or maybe TTN) merge all the articles. Get to work! >:3 Oh, and make sure you get the info for Master Roshi and Bulma too. -- ZeroGiga (contact) 9:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- That too ??? Ok gimme some time ... SSJ 5 (talk) 00:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- You need real world information, not in-universe information. TTN (talk) 21:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
- Good enough or do I need to do more ? SSJ 5 (talk) 15:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
- Ok I shall do so ... SSJ 5 (talk) 05:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
- So Yamcha's gonna appear in some shitty live-action movie. That's no excuse to give him an article, ESPECIALLY one that is a stub or near stub. Sry, but adding that fact isn't enough to break this. Perhaps you should bring back the abilities and cite their sources, that should at least improve Yamcha by a margin. BTW, if you're looking for the guy who "messed up" the article, look at the history. Sessomaru's (spl??) your man. ZeroGiga (Contact) 16:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
- And BTW Yamcha is confirmed to appear in the live-action movie, and have a significant role ... SSJ 5 (talk) 14:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
- They were VERY IMPORTANT IN DRAGONBALL!!! VERY!!! SSJ 5 (talk) 13:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
- Support merge for Master Roshi, Yamcha and Tien. Oppose merge for No.17, Bulma and Krillin, this are really important characters and maybe their articles just need some work and references. Lord Opeth (talk) 18:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- And you base that on what??? How are No.17 and Bulma more important than Master Roshi, Yamcha and Tien??? SSJ 5 (talk) 19:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Strong oppose for Bulma, Roshi, Yamcha and Tien. The articles are badly written, but their roles in Dragonball and Dragonball Z are too major for a list, especially Bulma. Just consider the articles as broken off from the list for length and style reasons. - The Norse (talk) 23:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- And how come Vegeta, Gohan, etc articles don't have any real world information ???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SSJ 5 (talk • contribs) 05:40, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
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- Strongly Oppose - This article is already too much cluttered and up for cleanup. Its status is disputed and its too lengthy. Merger would only create problems. Besides Krillin, Yamcha, and Tenshinhan are major characters that need their own articles. What should be done is to improve the existing articles and cite sources instead of just merging. That way, the whole Dragonball universe would end up in one article. UzEE (Talk • Contribs) 23:39, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Go ahead and remove any article/information about Dragon ball. [Personal attack removed] Why the fuck you guys are so determined to remove everything? Wikipedia is about information and you guys are constantly removing things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.216.46.249 (talk)
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- Come on ppl ... Will someone do the Kuririn and Tenshinhan articles or will i have to??? SSJ 5 (talk) 05:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
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- Ok this is going nowhere ... ZeroGiga is not active anymore and I propose that we drop this ... 79.101.199.151 (talk) 12:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
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- "Not Active"? HA! In your dreams, pal. I'm still running this show here. If you wanna talk sas like that again, I'll bring TTN over here to help me out! >:3 Anyway, this is good so far. The Yamcha articles are on par and are pretty much notable itself. Now the rest. From what I remember right, the Bulma article still doesn't have enough real world info to be notable enough. Overall, I think I'll take Yamcha off the merger, everyone else stays unless you can improve it. Oh, and SSJ 5, I have a surprise waiting for you on the User Page. -- ZeroGiga (contact) 9:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
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- So ? Are we gonna drop this or what? SSJ 5 (talk) 20:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- No. Someone needs to close this, though. We'll wait a few days, and then we might need to be proactive. seresin || wasn't he just...? 23:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- So ? Are we gonna drop this or what? SSJ 5 (talk) 20:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- They all need to be merged. None of them assert notability outside of the series. Even the information on the Yamucha article doesn't cut it, all of those sources are fansites, blogs or primary sources (the manga itself). None of these articles would pass at AfD so they shouldn't here. Just because they're popular and you guys like them doesn't mean they warrant an article. So unless you guys can fix these up and add reliable sources to back up character design and fan reaction they need to be merged. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 04:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
And I dont see why you jackasses must transform all of wikipedia into a shitty one page article stating "This is Earth." who is to say that we have this so called real world information about our world everything we have in our human knowledge basis are theories that were invented by us. So what I am saying is that all the real world information we need is the information stated in the real world as shown in context. It is always enough to have information of plot trivia creation concept etc. Wat many of you are stating is that their plot creation concept and abilities were not created in the real world therefore cannot be considered real world information when in fact the person who created these characters is real and therefore his creations must be real in their own conventional way. Whether or not you agree with me is irrelevent but the fact that some idiot decided to merge these characters because of a personal vendetta or hatred for these particular characters and that some of you want to agree with him because nobody has gone out and had an interview with Yamcha or Krillin is completely ridiculous. In all real world logic these MAIN CHARACTERS cannot be merged because if you do that you are giving me permission to delete every article of something I don't like or that I can't interview. - signed - THE NOOB —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.87.122.180 (talk) 05:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- Alright, stop with the whining and SHUT YOUR MOUTH, CHRIS CROCKER! If you wanna go after someone, go after TTN. He loves doing this. As for me, I'm following the rules because some dude decides to reduce the articles to stub. We're making progress, and as for you, just get outta here. -- ZeroGiga (contact) 9:21, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I strongly oppose. They are most of the main charecters with too much to be condensed into one page plus they deserve to be one page each, all of them playing an important part in the Dragon ball sieres, all 3 (not so much the third but thats the one no one liked) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.70.151.153 (talk)
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- Hell no. Why in the hell are you guys butchering more articles? Krillin, Yamcha, etc are all main characters. If the articles are not up to par, then revitalize them rather than merge them. This is why I no longer like Wikipedia as the users and admins are constantly taking good articles and merging them for no reason. Look at what happened to the Pokemon pages.74.252.2.130 (talk) 03:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
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- No do not merge it the articles ar too big for this! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.248.101.224 (talk) 14:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
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Oppose. The characters that are being proposed to be merged are significant enough to be listed separately, as they have been major characters during the franchise's history. DWolf2k2 (talk) 07:56, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Just my opinion (for what it's worth) I would be okay with Bulma and Roshi being merged. Yes, they had significant roles, but they were never really "major" characters, in my opinion. Kuririn, Yamucha, and Tenshinhan, however, should have their own articles. The only one in that group who I could see being merged is Tenshinhan, since he really wasn't that significant outside of the 22nd Budokai and Demon Piccolo sagas. Yamucha was Goku's first rival and played a role in nearly every storyline through the Cell saga, and Kuririn was almost always there throughout the whole series after he appeared. As far as being notable outside of the DB/Z/GT world is concerned, I don't think it should matter, despite what the almighty Wiki guidelines say. I think the DB section of Wikipedia should be set up so that a person wanting to learn about it can learn all there is to know about certain characters and the series. For example, I should be able to look up Yamcha and learn who he is, when he appeared, his personality, how that personality changed throughout the series, the names of his attacks, when he first learned/used those attacks, his role in the various storylines, and so on. I'd be happy to help with this process for all the characters, though my information sources are currently only limited to the manga. -Krendall (talk) 20:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Tienshinhan had a lot more appearnces in the Cell Saga than Yamcha. But I do atmit that if Kurrin, Tienshinhan, Yamcha, Bulma or Master Roshi are merged I will be desgusted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.176.225 (talk) 11:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Colonel Violet
Violet should be added to the Red Ribbon Army Section.
[edit] Mutaito Error
In Mutaito's entry it states that he never appears in the manga. This is false, as he does appear briefly in volume 12 as Kame Sen'nin recounts Mutaito using the mafuba attack on Piccolo. -Krendall (talk) 20:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Maron's "Ditzyness"
While I would agree that Maron is, indeed, a ditz, I think her calling Kuririn "Kurin" is a bad example. Since Kuririn is a pun on "kurin" (Japanese for chestnut), it's more likely that "Kurin-chan" (as she always called him) was more a nickname or term of endearment, not that she didn't know his actual name. -Krendall (talk) 20:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Deletion Consensus
Those that must remain removed from the page based on the consensus set forth by TTN, 3bulletproof16, Sesshomaru, and Sephiroth on the extraterrestrials talk page, which I have noted, are as follows:
- angela - highly unimportant 1 episode filler character.
- arale norimaki - inconsequential 2-episode character.
- erasa - inconsequential filler character in less than 5 episodes total.
- haiya dragon - filler side animal, appearing in 2 movies and in garlic junior saga.
- sharpner - inconsequential filler character in less than 5 episodes total.
- miss pizza - inconsequential filler character, no prevalence whatsoever in cell games saga.
- lao - inconsequential character, appearing in only 1 episode.
- vodka - inconsequential character, appearing in only 1 episode.
If there are others that need to be removed, please feel free to note them here. 72.229.48.178 (talk) 16:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] No Chiaotzu Page
I think it's strange that Chiaotzu does not have his own page considering his large roll in Dragonball, the Saiyan Saga, his training on King Kai's planet (where he defeated Guldo of the Ginyu Force) and not to forget his consistant appearances through out the rest of Dragonball Z and Dragonball GT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.176.225 (talk) 05:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- Chaozu is right where he should be. While he did appear a lot, he never had much of a role outside of being Tenshinhan's friend/partner. In the manga (which many consider the most official source for anything) he only fought two real battles (Kurirn and Nappa). While he did defeat Gurdo on Kaio's planet (filler only), it was pretty much the last time he fought (except maybe GT, which I haven't seen). He joins everyone to see Trunks beat Freeza and King Cold, and then disappears. I think he has a one-panel reappearance during the Buu Saga, and that's it. - Krendall (talk) 17:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] No Olibu Mention
I have struggeled to find any mention of Olibu in anything related to Dragonball Z, I find that rather ridiculas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.176.225 (talk) 05:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
What's so ridiculous about that? Olibu was only in 4 episodes. The major overhaul of the page will result in many of the currently listed people to be removed in order to cut down the size of the article. It is more than certain that the likes of Olibu, Froug, Torbie, Arqua, Caterpy, Maraikoh, Tapkar and any other of the Other World filler episodes will most likely not be included since they were extremely limited in appearance, from 3 to 4 episodes at the most, with the central plot revolving around Goku and Pikkon. 72.229.48.178 (talk) 03:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Olibu apparntly is the strongest earthling in history until Yamcha defeats him and another fighter with relative ease in the Majin Buu saga and later when Uub is introduced. He has a long battle with Pikkon, is a good friend with Goku and battles Kid Buu along side Kurrin, Pikkon and Yamcha in Other World. A small mention isn't much of a problam, is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.176.225 (talk) 11:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] What IS an Earthling
This article includes characters of several different species, so how do you decide what an Earthling is? Technically, Gohen, Goten, Piccolo, Trunks, Bra, Cell and countless other characters are from Earth, they're just as much Earthlings as anyone else on this page. A better (or any) definition of Earthling is required.Adroa (talk) 21:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Assistant Black, Commander Red, and General Blue
I can understand the overall deletion and not considering inclusion of the rest of the red ribbon army, but these three: Red, Black, and Blue, need to have their own sections because they are highly prevalent characters, secondary characters actually, far from tertiary and much, much more important than many people on the page. That is the only problem I have with the page's organization right now. Otherwise, everything else is fine. 72.229.48.178 (talk) 00:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
