Talk:List of Dutch noble families

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Ik heb bij de hoge raad het oorspronkelijke document gezien. Daar staat van Ranzow. L van der Plas.

De Nederlandse graven heten VAN Ranzow, volgens de opname in de Nederlandse adel, maar gebruiken "von" Bovenstaande is volgens mij niet juist. Het is gewoon Von Ranzow waarbij de naam graaf of gravin integraal onderdeel is van de achternaam. Men heeft dus niet de keus zonder titel door het leven te kunnen gaan.

• I suspect "van Liempt" is not accurate based on VFD proceedings. Ben-w 22:24, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Gentlemen, wonder as to why there are there no longer any Dutch dukes.--Anglius 02:07, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

The Dukes that were there were all in the Belgian part of the United Netherlands (1815-1830) So they are not part of the Dutch nobility anymore. In the Middle Ages in what is now the Netherlands there was traditionally only one Ducal title. It was the title of the reigning Duke of the Province of Gelre or Gelderland. The title and the land was inherited by the Burgundian and Habsburg sovereigns and became in abeyance when the Spanish King was ousted as sovereign of the Provinces in 1582. In the period of the Republic (1587-1795) No nobles and thus no new Dukes were created. In the Spanish and Austrian Netherlands (later Belgium) some Ducal families settled and some were created Dukes in the Spanish or Holy Roman Empire nobility.--Gerard von Hebel 21:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate yor explanation, Herr von Hebel.--Anglius 00:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I also would like to inquire as to whether Dutch titles are usually agnatic or cognatic.--Anglius 21:50, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Testa

The Testa family, from Genova Italy, moved to Pera (Istanbul) before 1436. They are baron in Holland (1847) and also in Austria (1803).

[edit] Dukes of Palma | Earl of Clancarty

I can't see why they are dutch princes as the link given doesn't explain this.

The current Duke of Parma, Carlos Hugo de Bourbon-Parme was married to the Dutch Princess Irene, a sister of Queen Beatrix. Their children were made a part of the Dutch nobility and received the title "Prince/Princess de Bourbon-Parme". Freako 22:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Wrt the Earl of Clancarty says "As Marquess van Heusden, the Earls of Clanarcy are the only Marquesses in the Peerage of the Netherlands and the highest ranking Dutch nobles." This list suggest they are not the *only* Marquesses. Can someone check/confirm/deny this?

Finally in order to help those editing these articles can somone tell us the normal decent for Dutch titles - ie heirs male / heirs general etc Alci12 19:20, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

The titles are hereditary in the male line only. Most titles are inherited by all children, but a few countly titles only go to the eldest son. In that case however the younger children and the daughters will be untitled nobled (Jonkheer or Jonkvrouwe)

The Hoensbroecks have moved to Germany and have discontinued their Marquis title. The D'Auxy's have become extinct. The Clancarty's are not Dutch but were given a Dutch title. In practice there are no Marquesses in the Netherlands.--Gerard von Hebel 21:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

What about Queen Beatrix? She is Marquess of Veere and of Vlissing/Flushing. Freako 22:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Verkeerde spelling:Van der Maesen de Sombreff (Maesen met één s)

[edit] Capitalisation of Tussenvoegsels

I would like to suggest that the style used on this page be changed so that the tussenvoegsels are, in the English style, not capitalised. The Dutch style used here (i.e. capitalisation of tussenvoegsels) is surely going to lead to people misunderstanding the capitalisation of the surnames used here. Also, the capitalisation of surnames differs in the Netherlands from Belgium. The capitalisation used in a surname should be that actually used. Alternatively, an explanation (similar to that found on the article on "Dutch name") should be added. Schildewaert (talk) 06:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC)