Talk:List of DuckTales episodes

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[edit] Removal of (DuckTales Episode) qualifier

Anyone know why many or most of the (DuckTales Episode) qualifiers were removed from the episode name wikilinks? I added them all in originally based on the formats used for most other TV series (DS9, TNG, ST:TOS, MacGyver, etc). El Cubano 21:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I didn't remove them, but here's my two cents: Episode titles that could only be associated with DuckTales, such as Magica's Shadow War, don't need them. However, an episode like Armstrong would need the (Ducktales Episode), as it leads to a page that has nothing to do with DuckTales. Back to the Klondike and The Golden Fleecing do need the (DuckTales Episode) tag, as right now they lead to pages on the comics they were adapted from, and not the episodes themselves. I say don't worry about it too much until it comes time to actually create a page based on an episode. See if you can make a new article without the (DuckTales Episode) tag, and then add the tag in if necessary. Narlee 18:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

UPDATE: The only episodes that I'm aware of that actually need the tags are Armstrong, Hero for Hire, Back to the Klondike, The Golden Fleecing and The Golden Goose.

I just created a seperate page for Send in the Clones. What do you all think? Narlee 21:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I like the new page. However, I think in the interest of consistency with other episode listings on Wikipedia, we should use the (DuckTales Episode) qualifier. For me, it is not so much a matter of disambiguation within Wikipedia. Rather, when people link into Wikipedia it makes it more clear. We can probably provide redirects, though, if people would like that. I just think it is consistent and misleading to have some epidoses accessible as Foo and others as Bar (DuckTales Episode). With other series, like TNG, I know that I can always get the article I want via Baz (TNG Episode). El Cubano 22:59, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I guess that the (DuckTales Episode) qualifer can work for all the episodes. It doesn't really matter to me either way, and it does keep a sense of continuity between the episodes. However, I've noticed that there are episode pages on Wikipedia for shows like The Simpsons which don't have qualifers like, say- The Otto Show, as nobody's going to create another article titled The Otto Show. But for an episode like The Front, they do use the qualifer, as there's a seperate article at The Front.
One question though: If we do go ahead with the qualifier, should it be (DuckTales Episode), or could we get away with just (DuckTales)? I just want to confirm everything before one of us redirects Send in the Clones and more pages are created. Narlee 23:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I would vote for (DuckTales Episode). I did a quick search of TV episode listings on Wikipedia and foudn that some series (like Friends) include almost no qualifiers, some mix the presense and absence of them (Battlestar Galactica) and others still use them for every episode (TNG and MacGyver). I think that if any episode needs it, then we should use it for all to be consistent. If we are going to use it, then I think the full qualifier should be used. For example, if there was an article for Moneybin that required additional qualification, I would say that qualifier should be (DuckTales). But for an episode, it ought to be (DuckTales Episode) so that it is plainly obvious what is linked. El Cubano 23:52, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Sure, (DuckTales Episode) works, with the exception of the multiple parters, which can just use the (DuckTales) qualifer.
/me bangs gavel
Sold! El Cubano 00:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I'd just like to point out that Sphinx for the Memories has had its qualifier removed, so not everyone is going to agree with us. Narlee 17:59, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode Order and airdates

I've poked around at various sites, and have found different airdates and orders for various episodes. Some list the first episode (after Treasure of the Golden Suns) as Armstrong like this site. While we have it as Send in the Clones. At TV.com the airdate order for the second season is totally out of whack, so I'm not sure how closely we should follow it. My suggestion is, maybe re-organize the episode order, and maybe provide a listing for the production order, like at the Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers episodes page. Here is an example of how it would look so you have an idea as to what I'm talking about.

Screenshot Title Original Airdate #
Prod.
Order
No Pic "Treasure of the Golden Suns (1) - Don't Give Up the Ship" Sep 11, 1987 1 37
Originally aired as "Treasure of the Golden Suns", a two-hour TV movie. The introduction of the series, as Donald Duck joins the Navy and sends Huey, Dewey and Louie off to live with their uncle Scrooge McDuck. Meanwhile, a mysterious man named El Capitán busts the Beagle Boys out of jail in order for them to help him steal an awkward treasure map in Scrooge's possession.
No Pic "Treasure of the Golden Suns (2) - Wrong Way in Ronguay" 2 38
After foiling the Beagle Boys, Scrooge and his nephews decipher the strange marking on the map, which leads to a sunken treasure ship in Ronguay. However, Flintheart Glomgold and El Capitán are out to stop them at every turn. Glomgold's animated debut. The story is loosely based on legends of Spanish Galleons being found in the SW American desert and Northern Mexico.
No Pic "Treasure of the Golden Suns (3) - Three Ducks of the Condor" 3 39
Upon finding out of the Valley of the Golden Suns, Scrooge begins an expedition to find the treasure therein, starting with finding the map that leads to it. First, he must get one half of the map from High Golden Sun Priest Walking Slowly. Animated debut of Gyro Gearloose, and the first appearance of Mrs. Beakley, Webby Vanderquack, and Launchpad McQuack.
No Pic "Treasure of the Golden Suns (4) - Cold Duck" 4 40
The nephews, Webby, and Mrs. Beakley find themselves joining Scrooge in his adventure as he looks for the second half of the treasure map in Antarctica.
No Pic "Treasure of the Golden Suns (5) - Too Much of a Gold Thing" 5 41
Scrooge develops gold fever as he and the gang make their way to the Valley of the Golden Suns, all the while pursued by El Capitán.
"Armstrong" 6 4
The McDuck household acquires a robot named Armstrong to do their work for them. However, the robot decides it would rather work for itself. This episode was later adaptated in issue #1 of the Gladstone DuckTales comic book.
No Pic "Luck o' the Ducks" 7 49
After finding a leprachaun, Scrooge is now hunting for the mythical Pot of Gold.
No Pic "Till Nephews Do Us Part" 8 65
Scrooge is romanced by a billionairess named Millionara Vanderbucks, but as the nephews and Webby find out, she only wants his money.

Do you like this idea? Narlee 03:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Looks good to me. El Cubano 03:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
It does look more polished, but I'd still prefer to go by production order, but listing "Golden Suns" at the front, of course. Problem is, the airdates don't look right to me. I'm pretty sure the show aired on weekday afternoons, not Saturday mornings. - Nintendo Maximus
I was only three years old when the show first aired, so I have to rely on others for the information. I'm sure that it would of had to have been put into daily syndication in 1989 sometime, after the episodes had their weekly airing. If the show actually did air daily in 1987, I'd like to know where that site even got those weekly airdates. Narlee 23:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
This site has many of the air dates screwed up. For instance, it has Di'jon's 1st appearance in the show itself. The Golden Goose Episode was listed here as being aired in '89, but the movie was released in '90 and Di'jon never appeared on the show until after the movie. Super Ducktales was originally aired Easter, 1990 on NBC, not '89 as this site listed. And I'm reasonably confidant that the Bubba Duck special, "Time is Money" originally aired Thanksgiving of '89, not '88 like this site says. I remember that shows featuring Bubba started appearing very soon after the Special was originally aired. This site would lead you to believe it was a whole year after "Time is Money" was aired that episodes featuring Bubba started appearing.--Killphil 01:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh really? I'd fix it, but I can't really find proper air dates for any of the season 2 episodes no matter where I look. It's too inconsistant from site to site.--Narlee 01:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Just to let you all know, the current order of episodes listed on Wikipedia is they aired in syndication from 1988 through 1990. In turn, the dates are all screwed up – they're one year off. If you want the list to be in order of original airing, I think TV.com comes the closest since the DVD set has the episodes in order of how they aired. (I think the Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers set is also in order of airing, but right now available episodes lists seem to prove otherwise.) --From Andoria with Love 14:55, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
This is what gets to me. I have no real way of knowing for sure which episode aired when. I'd like to believe that, say, "Send in the Clones" was the first episode after the pilot, but certain episode lists outside of Wikipedia list it as Armstrong. I also can't seem to find a proper premiere date for the pilot either. Some people say Sept 11, 1987, others say Sept 18. And TV.com isn't totally reliable. It too is just made up of user submitted information.--Narlee 20:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, Disney's official premiere date for DuckTales is September 18th, while the first regular episode was "Send in the Clones", which aired on September 21st. This info comes from Bill Cotter's book The Wonderful World of Disney Television: A Complete History. To quote the summary from that book (also available at TV.com): "At first, DuckTales was intended as a 1-hour network series. However, when Bob Jacquemin, head of the studio's newly formed syndication unit, learned of the series, he realized that it had the potential to be his first hit. After immense internal lobbying, Jacquemin convinced Michael Einser to let him have DuckTales, and in doing so, he virtually reinvented television animation. One of the first decisions he announced was that Donald Duck would play a minor role in the series, for the emphasis this time was going to be on Uncle Scrooge and his three nephews. To explain Donald's absence, the writers had him enlist in the Navy after leaving his nephews with Scrooge. The studio also created some new additions to the Disney stable. Among these were Launchpad McQuack, Mrs. Beakley, Webbigail (Webby) Vanderquack, Doofus, Duckworth, Fenton Crackshell, and Bubba Duck. DuckTales had a special 2-hour premiere in most markets on September 18, 1987, with the first regular episode airing on September 21. 87 episodes were orginally aired, 100 in total if you count the special episodes: Treasure of the Golden Suns, Time Is Money and Super DuckTales that were later split into 30 minute shows." This means that the DVD releases are, indeed, following order of original airing. The other list appears to be the order in which the episodes were produced ("Armstrong" was the first regular episode made after the pilot), but I have no clue where the so-called "airdates" for this list came from. I highly doubt they completed one episode a day. I have contacted Disney regarding this, but have yet to hear back from them, and since I'm not entirely sure I sent my message to the correct place, I may never hear from them. But I think we should go with the official airdate order given in Cotter's book, which has been correctly listed on TV.com – with the exception of seasons 3 and 4, which are incorrect, according to a veteran user and apparent DuckTales fanatic at TV.com. --From Andoria with Love 04:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
This raises a few questions.
  • Does the book actually give a production order of the episodes? Say, first Armstrong, then Luck o' the Ducks, etc...
  • Does the other list start with Send in the Clones?
  • Where is Treasure of the Golden Suns in the production order? Is it the first five?
  • If the DVDs are releasing the episodes in airdate order, why was TotGS excluded from the first Vol?

Sorry for all this arguing, but it's impossible to get a solid piece of information regarding order and airdates. But if you think this is bad, Gummi Bears' episode order and airdates are really screwed up.--Narlee 06:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not even gonna touch Gummi Bears, lol! But to answer your question, I believe the book lists the pilot, Treasure of the Golden Suns, as premiering on the 18th and the first regular episode, Send in the Clones, as debuting on the 21st. At present, there is no explanation as to why Disney excluded the pilots from the first volumes of DuckTales and Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers, but given the lack of effort put into the discs, I'd say they just didn't care to put them in and instead skipped right to the regular episodes (they may have been intending to sell the pilot movies seperately – you know, so they can weasel us out of more money). But they seem to have gotten the message since the pilots for Gummi Bears, Darkwing Duck, and TaleSpin are included in volume one of each of those respective DVD sets, as well as volume two of DuckTales and Rescue Rangers. --From Andoria with Love 07:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
To clarify, the list currently on Wikipedia is in order of production (not "second syndicated run" order as I stated earlier). I'm still trying to figure out where the airdates came from, though. --From Andoria with Love 12:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
That does clear things up a bit. But I don't believe that the order on Wikipedia (Starting with "Armstrong") is the production order. I don't have any real proof, but it's possible that the episodes were orignally aired in the order they were produced. As in, Send in the Clones was the first normal episode to be produced and aired. I'm thinking that for this second "syndicated run" you brought up (the order that's listed right now), the episodes were just shuffled around in random order or something, which happened in many syndicated 80's and 90's cartoons, as there's continuity errors it brings up, such as Goldie appearing in "Till Nephews Do Us Part" before she's introcuded in "Back to the Klondike", or Gyro's Time Tub appearing in "Duck to the Future" before he builds it (re: introducing it to the audience) in "Sir Gyro de Gearloose".--Narlee 14:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Agreed, the current list is not in production order, now that I look at it. However, I now have a mailing address for the Walt Disney Company, so I will be writing to them in the near future regarding this. I wanna know which list is correct and where the incorrect list came from. I'll also be asking for original airdates for the other Disney Afternoon series (Gummi Bears, Rescue Rangers, TaleSpin, Darkwing Duck, and Goof Troop), although that might be asking them too much... oh, well, we'll see. :) --From Andoria with Love 20:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help needed in Justice League Unlimited

If somebody is interested in Justice League Unlimited, please go to the List of Justice League episodes to help fix that page, meet this one's high quality standarts.Some users refuse to expand info and create article per episodes, even though they know the existence of the wikiproject and well developed pages like the sub-articles here.--T-man, the wise 02:25, 2 July 2006 (UTC)--T-man, the wise 02:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contributions

Although we have a fair amount of episodes pages completed, there are a number of ways that people can help out.

  • Co-operate with other contributors. Although this has not been a big issue in the past, if you don't like something that one person has done, talk to them about it.
  • If you can provide a screenshot for an episode that doesn't have one, please upload one.
  • Writing an episode page.
    • Use the correct episode title for the page name. Refer to the episode's title screen for accuracy.
    • Look at existing DuckTales episode pages for examples and copy the format.
    • Only write a page if you can watch a full episode in the same room as your computer. Do NOT write a page from memory.
    • Notice how each episode (including ones that make up multi-parters) has several paragraphs devoted to the summary, meaning that there's a good amount of text to get out of a twenty-two minute cartoon. You don't need to include every last detail, but this isn't something you should rush either.
    • Wikilink all the main characters, but only for the first time they're mentioned in an episode.
    • Use proper grammar and sentence structure. I'm not asking for Shakesphere here, but try to make it readable.
    • Be sure to include an info-box as well, and a ((Category:DuckTales episode)) tag.
  • The (DuckTales episode) qualifier is unecessary in most cases, as a lot of DuckTales episode titles are usually unique enough to not need it. There are some exceptions though:
    • Armstrong (has other meanings)
    • Nothing to Fear (has another meaning)
    • The Status Seeker (shares its name with a Carl Barks story, which could receive its own article in the future)
    • The Golden Fleecing (shares its name with a Carl Barks story)
    • Micro Ducks from Outer Space (shares its name with a Carl Barks story)
    • The Lost Crown of Genghis Khan (shares its name with a Carl Barks story)
    • Back to the Klondike (shares its name with a Carl Barks story)
    • Hero for Hire (has another meaning)
    • Time is Money (is a common term in general)
    • The Golden Goose (has another meaning)
  • Magica's Magic Mirror and Take Me Out of the Ballgame are to share the same page at Magica's Magic Mirror / Take Me Out of the Ballgame.
  • Currently, I'm doing write-ups of episodes in production order. If you don't want to conflict with me, do an episode that isn't next in line, or let me know that you want to do the next episode in advance, just to be safe. I only have the Vol 1 DVD set, so it would be very helpful if you could write up a page on an episode that isn't on the set if you can. Narlee 03:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Table colors

The background colors used in this table make it hard to read. Any ideas on better colors? - Peregrinefisher 18:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I could probably find a lighter shade of blue.--Narlee 21:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. How about Turqoise #30D5C8 (see List of colors).

I guess I would say the lighter the better, that way the black text stands out more. - Peregrinefisher
I tested out several shades of blue on the episode titles, and Turquise looked the nicest without being too dark, or too pale. Mind you that the top of the tables and the episode summaries would stay the same colors, as they aren't that hard to read.--Narlee 22:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removing images

The use of images in a decorative gallery is expressly prohibited by our fair use policies. This is not a consensus issue. Please do not revert again. (ESkog)(Talk) 01:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Your argument is not original and others who have used this rationale were not supported by consensus. Both "gallery" and "decorative" are loaded words with no common meaning. Cburnett 04:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I found it actually harder to identify the episodes without images. The images from a scene had helped me jog my memory trough each episode and it was easier to understand the summary. WP:FUC #8 says that the images "must contribute significantly to the article (e.g. identify the subject of an article, or specifically illustrate relevant points or sections within the text)." and i think the images do contribute significantly as it helps understand the summary better, and they do identify the subject of the article, and also illustrate key points of each episode. So add the images back. Gman124 16:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Why don't we just add a complete episode video for each season, that should help even more! --Gmaxwell 17:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
  • The use of fair use images in the manner in which you desire is not supported in policy. This has been argued endlessly, with never a resolution supporting such use. --Durin 17:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
    • you do know that Television is a visual medium, and picture would best identify an episode. Gman124 17:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Yet animal species are a very visual thing as well, and our list of species articles don't have one image per item even when we already have free images for all of them. --Gmaxwell 17:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

would you state the points on which you removed the images. Gman124 17:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

  • I think the supporters of these images are missing the critical point; "must contribute significantly". Having an image from an episode on the episode's article does nothing to significantly contribute to the article if the article does nothing to discuss the image. It's like talking about Mt. Everest while having an image of Mt. Blanc on the article. It's meaningless; no context. --Durin 17:24, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episode notability

All of the episodes of this series fail the notability guidelines for television episodes. The way for these articles to be improved is through the inclusion of real-world information from reliable sources to assert notability. That is unlikely to happen, and these only contain overly long plot summaries, trivia, and quotes. Per that, they need to be a small part of this list. If there are no objections, these will be redirected soon. TTN 23:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I also want to point people to the oringal discussion. TheBlazikenMaster 06:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I object. Please use the Wikipedia:Television episodes/Review process. - Peregrine Fisher 05:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Is there any reason why you seem to be going around and objecting to everything User:TTN does? Seems to be more of a WP:POINT you're trying to make here. -WarthogDemon 05:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Peregrine. DuckTales was very much a notable series; its episodes deserve to have their own articles.--74.167.107.134 (talk) 03:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
No objections here. Redirect away. SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Can we PLEASE speak about this on the oringal discussion? TheBlazikenMaster 11:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)