Talk:List of Dirty Jobs episodes

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The Discovery Channel website doesn't list the "revisit" jobs episodes (like "Dirtest Water Jobs") anywhere, so I'm going to move them here to "Season 2.5" since they're not really season 2 nor season 3. Wl219 20:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] WP:EL

From Links to be avoided:

13. Sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject: the link should be directly related to the subject of the article. A general site that has information about a variety of subjects should usually not be linked to from an article on a more specific subject. Similarly, a website on a specific subject should usually not be linked to an article about a general subject. If a section of a general website is devoted to the subject of the article, and meets the other criteria for linking, then that part of the site could be deep-linked.

The subject of the article is Dirty Jobs episodes, and only relevant websites (on episodes of Dirty Jobs) should be linked. This is policy. Attempts at inserting links to commercial websites for the companies that are featured in the show will be reverted. Wikipedia is not an advertising database or linkfarm. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 19:35, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

These are the links Gustafson removed:

I still dispute the removal of these links since I believe they're appropriate in the context of the article (WP:EL#What to link #2), which is to provide more information about the jobs and people featured on Dirty Jobs. I also dispute their unceremoniously rude removal by Gustafson, but he has apparently appointed himself "The Decider" on this matter, so what can you do. Wl219 20:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Table format

I reverted the table format that was changed by Pascale989 as I do not agree that it is a better format. With nearly 500 other articles using the {{Episode list}} template, it does not make any sense to change to an entirely different non-standard format, especially since there a movement to convert articles to use the template. Additionally, the "Production Number" is unsourced and does not appear to be any official production number/code. The "Season Number" also appears to be a made up code. Before this becomes an edit war, I would like to solicit other opinions on what the preferred table format should be.

Here is Pascale989's version and the previous version. -- Gogo Dodo 23:00, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redoing Table

Im quite sure a vote will show that this new table is quite a lot better, it is far easier to look at. Either way there are season numbers missing that are found on the same sites already listed, if you dont know how to number these then dont edit them, I do a lot of data archiving and this is the best method. Format the table however you want, but the season numbers are not only wrong the way it has been, but there are no episode specific season numbers. I dont care whoever is an admin, this site has incorrect/lacking information and will be changed or i will put up a new page. Look at every source listed and you will find no seasons match, im currently trying to correct this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pascale989 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Season numbering

Its common place to do digital archiving of episodes by labeling season numbers XXXX, first 2 are season number and second two are the episode from within that season. Production numbers typically are sequenced by when they were made not shown, this is what was currently on the web site and have correct numbering I think, i didnt change any of these. Production numbers usually aren't used to reference episodes by sequence because it isnt neccesarily the order of air date, which is what people generally organize by. Discovery channels list of episodes is incomplete, and Tv.com's season numbering is different from discovery's, but before i even changed anything the wiki page matched none of its listed sorces in respect to seasons. The Episode list has no field to enter season numbering for episodes, so it needs changing. Tv.com recently removed the season numbering column, and counting is annoying. Look at stores for the dvd's, you will see "from season 2 episode 25" for example, the 25th episode within season 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pascale989 (talk • contribs)

While the labeling of seasons numbers/episodes as you say may be common, the list should be what the actual show's production code is, not what you believe it should be. Discovery does not list any production code nor do they list any code as you have proposed, therefore, it should not be included. As for the Episode list template not having a season column, that is correct, because the seasons are broken up by sections already, so the column would be redundant. -- Gogo Dodo 23:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

There is no such thing as this half season thing, someone is making this up, im not the one making false numbers, typically you do something like an "other" section, where you might call it "The best of dirty jobs" or something, since its just a recompilation of repeated episodes. Usually this season/episode thing is pretty cut and dried but the history and discovery channel does goofy things sometimes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pascale989 (talk • contribs)

Yes, I agree that the Dirtiest... episodes section is mislabeled, but the problem is that as you said, Discovery does not clearly label their seasons. So we make do as best as we can. -- Gogo Dodo 23:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Looking at tv.com i realized they have made another change that i just noticed, the production column i had should be labeled episode number, they used to call it production number. When archiving episodes from media to a hard drive, episode numbers dont work well, almost every sorting algorithm for playlists goes through and sorts numbers from left to right, so for instance episode 20 will come before 18, seasonal numbering corrects this and is far more robust, its also very widely used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pascale989 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Merge proposal

i see virtually identical content between these tables. Any unique info should be merged into one page. Stuph 12:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

The reason for the virtually identical content is that the creator of that article forked a copy of this article after a content dispute over the production number and the use of the {{Episode list}} template. See the discussion above and the editor's Talk page. There is very little to be merged and a redirect should be done as was done last month. -- Gogo Dodo 18:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I've redirected the article. Sorry to the dude who created it, but ya don't get to create a fork because you're not happy with the original article (PS: Those "codes" had no sources.) Matthew 18:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources for season numbering

Seriously, If you cant understand season numbering stop editing wiki pages. You dont need sources for it, if you use that as an argument, I can equally argue that I see no sources for using a base 10 numbering system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pascale989 (talk • contribs) 04:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

You have no source for the numbering scheme nor do you have consensus on the fork per above and on Wikipedia talk:Television episodes#Production numbers. Please see other lists of episodes and you will see that your numbering scheme is not used by any other lists. -- Gogo Dodo 07:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Misc

For some reason you think this is mostly about season numbers, its not, its about having correct information. Other sites have no season numbers because people like you delete them, now you've destroyed the modern marvels list too, Consensus is no argument since your the only one being unreasonable, I am the one that is remaining civil by insisting on correct information. Season numbering is also not redundant, a season with 50 episodes for instance, do you really want to count through half or a third of it one by one to determine what number it is? Please produce at least one valid argument and think before you speak —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pascale989 (talk • contribs) 02:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Future episodes

Anyone know where a list of future episodes can be found? I was told a barbecue business near here might have had a visit from Mike back in July but Discovery's Web site says the episode isn't airing on Dec. 10th, the date that I'm hearing. --Iwriteu (talk) 04:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

What you see on the article has the most up to date list of future episodes. Dec. 10th, a Monday, would not be the correct date as Dirty Jobs is aired on Tuesday. It's possible that the visit was either held to a future time or perhaps hit the cutting room floor. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] See itunes

Itunes has the episode seasons in a different order than this article. --Flyingember (talk) 02:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

There's quite of bit of conflicting information on what the season splits are for Dirty Jobs. I'm tempted to resort the article so that it's broken down by year like the official Dirty Jobs episode guide instead of season since it's unclear. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 19:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Day Off" episode

Why isn't the "Day Off" episode, wherein Mike visits his doctor while the producers do the dirty jobs, not listed in this article? I actually saw the episode just last week.

Do you remember what else happened in that episode? My memory is bad right now and I thought that was a special where he had "guest hosts". I think that was in episode 64 "150th Dirty Job Extravaganza". Mike did get sick in the next episode "Special Effects Artist". -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 16:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I remembered Mike still technically hosted that episode, but the entire time, he was with his doctor. The producers did hub cap making (or is it tire making) and port-a-potty cleaning, if I'm not mistaken. At one point, they used the cell phone to find Mike because he wasn't with them. Those I can remember. But I'm sure the Day Off episode is between episodes 31 and 32 (based on the order of airing here; 31 was shown on the week before last week and 32 this week). - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 02:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Now I'm starting to remember that. Mike did retread truck tires in "Fuel Tank Cleaner". I do remember cleaning out the port-a-potty. I think it was Dave Barski's turn. Unfortunately, I can't remember which episode that was. I do have one suggestion though. If you remember what time you saw the episode, the Discovery channel website has the old tv schedule available. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not from the United States, so I can't help you with the precise time and date it aired there (to be precise, I saw it on Discovery Channel South East Asia on April 28 at 10:00pm, Philippine/HK time). Again, I'm sure it's between the following the episodes "Garbage Pit Technician" and "Skull Cleaner." - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 06:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
PS: In the "Day Off" episode, Mike just had a check-up. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 07:03, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I think the "Mike's Day Off" special is an unnumbered DVD exclusive (bundled with "Skull Cleaner"), because I can't find it in the link you provided and my search on Google turned up a few links. It's not even listed in the official website. It is listed in TV Show Tracker's page for the show. I think this special should be listed. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 07:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
(ec) Found it on iTunes! Now I'm even more confused. I recognize the clips, but I can't place the episode. First problem is that iTunes breaks the episodes into bizarre seasons, so that's no help there. Doing some research on IMDB, the only time Craig Piligian appears in in "Crew's Cruise", but that doesn't match up with the episode description on iTunes nor what you said. The tv.com list of episodes is usually complete and there's no mention of the Day Off episode. It could be a DVD special like you said. I suppose I could shell out the money on iTunes and look at it. Never seen him at the doctor's office so it would be interesting to watch. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
At least I've told you this because it was aired in a Discovery Channel outside the United States (only Asia and Australia have aired them so far), and when it was aired, I can't find it on the list. BTW, what do you think was aired on July 3, 2006, and that date was not mentioned in the list? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 07:47, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps a new section "DVD/online episodes" then? The regularly scheduled date for the episode before "Skull Cleaner" would be July 4, which is a holiday in the United States, so I suspect that the Discovery Channel was airing specials during the day and the regular programming was skipped. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:56, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
It's your call. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 06:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
My call? No, it's consensus' call, not mine to make. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
What I mean is it's up to you to decide. For me, you can place the episode ("DVD only") between episodes 31 and 32 to indicate its place in the DVD order as well as mentioning it on the main article. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I have an idea. This is what I have in mind:

# Title Original airdate
31 "Garbage Pit Technician"  June 27, 2006
Lithographer, terra cotta facade maker, converting trash into electricity 
(unnumbered) "Mike's Day Off"  DVD only
Mike spends his day off visiting his doctor while executive producers Craig Piligian and Eddie Barbini do the following jobs in his absence: ... 
32 "Skull Cleaner"  July 11, 2006
Keeping trains on track (gandy dancer), cracklin and boudin sausage maker, cleaning animal skulls with Skulls Unlimited for display in educational facilities around the world. 

What do you think? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 03:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure I like it in the middle of the Season 2 table as from a television airing point of view (at least from the show's originating United States view), the episode didn't happen during Season 2, but was an add-on to a Season 2 DVD and online distribution. I'm leaning towards making an entirely new section labeled "DVD and online specials" or something like that and then explaining where the Day Off episode fits in the description. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Good point, since the episode didn't air there in the States (it did air here in Asia, as well as in Europe and Australia). Might as well list it in its own section, but point out it was an add-on and on online distribution. You can also write about the episode in the Special Episodes section of the main article. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 14:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Works for me. Feel free to add it. I still haven't seen the episode. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I forgot the jobs featured in that episode. What are the jobs did the two producers do? I only knew the tire and port-a-potty ones. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 09:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Not a clue. Like I said, I haven't seen the episode. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 02:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I thought you downloaded the episode from iTunes. Oh, well, guess I'll wait for it to air again or try to find a free video of it somewhere. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 04:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I plan to. Just haven't quite gotten to it yet. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I know what I'll do for the meantime. I'll type what I already know about the episode into the main article under the episodes section. And then, when you have watched the episode and what are the dirty jobs featured there, that's the time it will be listed here. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 14:03, 17 May 2008 (UTC)