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Contents 1 Template for adding new entries 2 Red-link alums 3 I finished citing 4 notable alumni 5 Great list 6 Missing people 6.1 People to be added 7 Splitting this list

[edit] Template for adding new entries

is right here. Use the {{sortname}} template as indicated (click it for documentation). The second line is the person's graduation year, and the third line is the person's description or notability. For the final line, the citation, please use a {{cite}} tag (I've been using {{cite web}} and {{cite news}}; the former is indicated here, but use whatever).

Just thought I'd add it so that you don't have to copy it from another and delete out all the content in there. Dylan 16:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Red-link alums

I removed all the red-linked individuals from this page. I realize that this meant deleting good information, but it cleans up the page and keeps in manageable. I note the edit here so that the good information contained therein may not be lost, if some of these red-linkers eventually do get articles. Dylan 10:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Kane5187, you said "it's David H. Stern that we want," but the Jewish theologian David H. Stern who has a Wikipedia article is evidently not a Dartmouth alum, so do we really want him? On the other hand, David Eli Stern, senior rabbi at Temple Emanu-El in Dallas, is a Dartmouth grad but has no Wikipedia article (which could mean Dylan wants him removed, but I've left him here for now). Emoll 20:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I finished citing

all the entries -- man, that was tedious. Anyway, every single alumnus/alumna has a citation in which it is mentioned that s/he attended Dartmouth. Under the U.S. Members of Congress section, however, many are not cited individually, because this source (currently listed as endnote 37, the source for the statement "Over 164 Dartmouth graduates have served in the United States Senate and United States House of Representatives.") lists them all, and it would just clutter up the page to cite them all individually. Just wanted to let everyone know that those seemingly unsourced entries are indeed covered by a blanket citation. Dylan 06:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

-- No longer relevant - they're all cited. Dylan 22:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] notable alumni

I deleted two entries for young alumni, since they do not appear to have gained widespread notoriety. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by IRtak (talk • contribs) 17:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

As long as they have an article and are a Dartmouth alumna / alumnus, they belong on this list. If you don't think they are notable enough to warrant Wikipedia articles, you can nominate them for deletion; but until they are deleted, they should stay. Dylan 17:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Francis J. Ricciardone '73, the US ambassador to Egypt doesn't have an article, but I think he should go in the "Ambassadors" section, no? http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/52768.htmDMCer 04:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Richard Parker, the economist and journalist from Harvard, was not Class of 1930. He graduated in 60s. I have corrected this. Also: What is ref. - in Note 45 - to U. of Chicago obituary?... This page does not come up for me now - nor could I find it via Wayback Machine. Was there another notable Richard Parker who graduated from Dartmouth?... The Parker disambiguation page does not include any such candidates. userX 16:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Belizean Evan X Hyde was a '69 graduate (B.A. English). I'm adding him under Notable journalists.--206.27.244.59 01:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I've added Page Smith to the list of Professors and researchers. --Palaeovia^talk 23:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to get around to it sometime, but if someone else gets to it first, that's okay too: Dartmouth's two recipients of the Medal of Honor: Eri Woodbury and Wheelock Veazey. Dartmouthstudent 23:05, 18 September 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dartmouthstudent (talk • contribs)

[edit] Great list

This list is great. Other similar lists should follow this list as an expample. Masterpiece2000 10:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missing people

I was cross-checking Category:Dartmouth College alumni against this list, and the following people are in the category but not on the list. (This is mostly for my own reference -- I'll add them myself -- but I thought I'd put it here). Dylan (talk) 18:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Robert (Tex) Allen Harold J. Berman Ric Bucher Lanei Chapman Groff Conklin Charles Warren Greene Skylor Haagensen Richard Ames Hart Kenneth Hecht Alex Kapp Horner Joel Hyatt Robert A. Jarrow Arthur Whipple Jenks Roger Jones (physicist and entrepreneur) Britton Keeshan John S.C. Knowlton Benjamin Labaree Edward Lamb Henry C. Lord Edward Luck

Stephen Macht Morton D. May Sean McLaughlin (media activist & educator) Mike Mearls Jim Metzler John C. Meyer Cammy Myler Kenneth N. Ogle Daniel S. Papp Russell Pinkston Warren E. Preece John L. Rand Richard Longabaugh Steven Rogel Mateo Romero Juliette Rossant Howard Roughan Arunas Rudvalis Nathan Ruegger Thomas V. Ryan

Robert Ryan Chuck Seelbach Martin J. Sherwin Michael Shnayerson Alexander O. Smith Justin Harvey Smith Andrew Sobel (author) Samuel Somerville Stratton Scott Straus Stuart Struever John Tallmadge Harry Bates Thayer Ed Victor Norman Weissman Rick White (politician) Stephen Wizner Kai Wong Marcus Wright Bill Yellowtail Paul Zamecnik

Okay, I've added the people who are crossed out; they ones that are not crossed out appear to be alums, but I couldn't find reliable citations supporting them as such. Feel free to add them in if you have better luck than I. Dylan (talk) 22:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] People to be added

The following people do appear to be Dartmouth alums, but I can't find reliable citations for them. Add them if you can: Dylan (talk) 17:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Lanei Chapman Groff Conklin Charles Warren Greene Skylor Haagensen John S.C. Knowlton Henry C. Lord Nelson Lichtenstein Richard Longabaugh

Mike Mearls Jim Metzler Henry C. Morrison J. Burton Rix Nathan Ruegger Brian Sharp Samuel Somerville Stratton Stuart Struever

I've found a source for Kai Wong's Dartmouth connection: Dartmouth alumni in entertainment and media--Palaeovia^talk 23:40, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Great, thanks! I added him. Dylan (talk) 23:46, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting this list

This list is huge (167 KB) – the 55th-longest page on Wikipedia. For months now, it's strained in my browser to load (sometimes 20-30 seconds, and I've got a pretty fast computer), and while my edits go through successfully, it always displays the "Wikipedia has an error" page after I click "Save page." Now it won't even let me compare revisions, always timing out. And it's only going to get bigger. Is anyone else having these problems? And if so, does anyone have ideas regarding splitting it up into sub-articles?

I have two ideas regarding splitting it, but I don't completely like either one:

• The first would be by subject (as it's divided now: put "Academia" through "Journalism" on one page, and "Journalism" through "Other" on another). This would be easy because it could be accomplished in about five minutes, and it allows for a consistent structure between the pages. However, it's much less intuitive, because these categories are not absolute, exclusive, or inherent to the subjects. You wouldn't automatically know where to find someone (for example, Sandy Alderson is a CEO [so under "Business and finance"] of a baseball team [so under "Sports" instead?]. Also, someone forced to look for the subject matter of person might assume a different term for the same subject -- i.e., we use "Sports" here, but someone might be looking for "Athletics.").
• The other would be keeping the full sections intact but divvying it up by class year: 1771-1899 on one page, and 1900-present on another (or whatever time break makes the most sense). It's probably more intuitive for users, but it can be complicated for a number of reasons. First, a lot of people don't have confirmed class years, and while for most people we can probably infer from their date of birth about when they would have graduated (i.e. a guy born in 1954 would obviously go on the 1900-present page), I imagine some people missing a year might be right on the 1900 line. Second, it would require making duplicate sections (i.e. two "Business and finance" sections, two "Sports" sections, etc.); if separated on two pages, it may be difficult to prevent the sections from evolving in different directions and thereby giving non-parallel structure. Third, if divided in this way, some sections may not wind up having enough graduates in one or the other division to justify the section (e.g. "Arts" is all post-1900 graduates).

Obviously, there might be a great solution staring me in the face, and I'd love to hear it (or hear from the community that splitting isn't necessary after all, or whatever). I'm open to any solution, really, but I'm frankly at a loss for how to approach this effectively. Please help! Dylan (talk) 23:06, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Tough call. Of your two suggestions, I prefer your first. Here's my own thought:

- Main page is simple alphabetical list in three column format Name, Class, Categories.

- The Name column links to the alumnus' own page.

- The Categories column contains links to the categorized page(s) that a particular alumnus fits into.

- Text on the page notes that full references are contained on the categorized pages.

- Comment text on the pages makes it clear that entries are to be made in both places.

Sample entry:

Seth Swirsky 1982 List of Dartmouth College alumni - Entertainment List of Dartmouth College alumni - Bloggers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhsatrhs (talk • contribs) 01:07, 24 November 2007 (UTC)