Talk:List of Croatian Americans

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You should make this a category rather than doing this manually. --Walter Görlitz 15:34, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Many other nations had this list of theirs "Americans", so I've made a list of Croatian Americans. Kubura 09:05, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Sources

I have sourced the list in accordance with Wikipedia's Original Research and Verifiability policies. Basically, anyone described by a reliable source as "Finnish" or "Finnish-American" (i.e. as opposed to "of Finnish descent", "Finnish mother", etc.) is on the list. Here are the people I couldn't find anything for. If you have a reliable source that fits that please restore the names:

Mad Jack O'Lantern 22:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

See the entries in Croatian phonebook, Croatian phonebook. Here's a help page in English[1] For the surnames that end on -ic, -ich, - cic, -cich, -chich, you'll have to type -ić or -čić. Still, you have to have in mind that immigration officials usually don't write any Slavic surname properly; many times they wrote Croat surnames as they thought they've heard it.
Many times Croatian Americans "anglified" their surnames, to make it easier for pronouncing, or for easier prospering in society (with English-sounding surname it was much easier). That was the case with all other Slavic Americans. Kubura 07:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what someone's last name is. Check out Wikipedia's No Original Research and Wikipedia:Verifiability policies. If you have a source that describes someone as "Croatian-American" or "Croatian" (if they are also "American") then they can be on the list. We don't and can't use our own assumptions and ideas. Sure, the people on this discussion could be Croatian-Americans for all I know, I'm not saying they aren't, but if we can't verify it... Wikipedia operates on a very simple principle: If a reliable source reports "X", then we Wikipedia can say "X". So if we want to put someone on a list of "X", we need to find a source that says exactly that they are "X" Mad Jack 15:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mark Begich

I have re-added Mark Begich to the list, following deletion by User:Jack O'Lantern. According to the list, his father, Nick Begich is a Croatian-American. Therefore, Mark Begich must share his father's Croatian ancenstry. --TommyBoy 08:07, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

No therefors. You need a reliable source that describes him as a "Crotian-American" or "Croatian", not anything that in anyone's opinion makes him that, in accordance with Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No Original Research. See this same thing outlined at List of British Jews, List of Greeks or List of Catholic American entertainers. Mad Jack 15:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I have found a possible source to justify Mark Begich's inclusion on this list in the form of an Anchorage Daily News article about the Begich family. [2] --TommyBoy 18:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Sigh, it doesn't really say Nick Begich (or even Tom Begich, who wrote the article) is Croatian-American. It does say John Blatnick is Croatian-American, and I listed him using that source before. Sorry to be so anal, but this is the way most of the ethnicity-American or ethnicity lists have been done lately (i.e. listing only if a reliable source specifically says a person is X-American or X ,if they are also American) Mad Jack 20:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the source -- Mark Begich's brother Tom Begich -- begins the article saying "Until I was nearly 12, I grew up with a man who was a legend, the son of Croatian immigrants, but who disappeared Oct. 16, 1972, into the clouds." The man he was referring to, as is made clear in the article, was his father (& Mark's), U.S. Representative Nick Begich, which makes Nick Begich and thereofore also Mark Begich Croatian Americans. Here's the ref: * Begich, Tom. (2006-04-30). "Tom Begich: Politics first - Part of growing up in a political family with a man who was a workaholic was I didn't know my father." Interviewed by Judy Ferguson. Anchorage Daily News. Retrieved on 2007-04-04. I'm adding relevant language to articles on both Mark Begich and his father. --Yksin 23:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I have re-added him to the list with the aforementioned article listed as a source, which according to User:Yksin does meet the criteria suggested by Mad Jack. --TommyBoy (talk) 14:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rudy Perpich

I have re-added Rudy Perpich to this list with a source cited. That source which is an external link from the Rudy Perpich article, states that his father was a Croatian immigrant and his mother had Croatian ancestry. --TommyBoy 01:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

If the referenced source is not enough proof, I have also found that he is listed on the Political Graveyard's list of Croatian ancestry Politicians [3] --TommyBoy 01:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Malkovich

As per The Serbian Americans by Jerome Kisslinger, Chelsea House Publishers New York 1990 pages 99-101 John Malkovich is a Serb. The consulting editors for this book were:

Ann Orlov, Managing editor, Harvard Encyclopedia of American Ethnic Groups, Harvad MA
M.Mark Stolarik - President, The Balch Institute for Ethnic Studies, Philadelphia
David M. Reimers, Professor of History, New York University
James F Watts, Chairman, History Department, City College of New York