Talk:List of Cosmic Era technology

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[edit] Missing history???

What's with this? I editted this, it got saved, now all that is gone, except Wikipedia accepted and saved it already! 132.205.45.148 22:33, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I think it's only the discussion page that lacks history entries, and that is fine. Anyway now the history for the main page is in place. --IgorTrieste 21:39, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


[edit] METEOR

The METEOR should be split off into its own article - it's a specific mecha, after all, and doesn't belong in an article about more general technological developments. Iceberg3k 01:59, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

The METEOR in itself is not a mecha because it does not have a pilot and cannot function alone. It is a weapon system that enchances a specific Gundam unit, like a Striker pack or a Silhouette, so it is really a technology that expands the tactical range and scope of otherwise more limited units (it is like the Dendrobium from 0083). More accurately it's the Freedom (and Justice likewise) with or without the METEOR that can be seen as two different units, and that is clearly stated on their pages. --IgorTrieste 21:35, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
"Mecha" is not defined by pilotage. The METEOR is a large space booster/combat system with its own weapon systems which are not powered by the Freedom/Justice units. Unlike the Justice Gundam's Fatum subflight backpack or the Silhouettes/Wizards/Striker Packs used by other mecha, the METEOR is theoretically capable of acting as an independent spacecraft. Iceberg3k 23:20, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
The METEOR is powered by whatever mobile suit is using it (or the Eternal when it's used as a turret), and can't function on its own. It's pretty much a giant Striker pack. 69.247.26.21 19:51, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Then shouldn't it be moved to the Striker Pack page. plau 20:14, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Sound good, since something similar to METEOR like Full Armor system or G-Falcon fighter are already there. And METEOR would fit with them perfectly.L-Zwei 12:55, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
But if we take note in episode 49 of Gundam Seed Destiny, the METEOR units are able to fly alongside with the Freedom/Justice when detached. ~deFkAi
So what? Some Striker Pack like Gunbarrel can move on it own too.L-Zwei 10:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Power and Thrust are two different things. Not having its own power plant does not mean it cannot fly on its own. Thrust could be generated by chemical reaction and can be independent from the nuclear power used to power the mobile weapons as an electric source. This is not the UC timeline where almost all mobile weapons are powered by Nuclear fusion and the power plant is used for the heat source of the thermo-nuclear rockets.
BTW, METEOR units in SEED doe not have their own power source, HOWEVER, the ones in SEED-D do have their own power source on board. (ref from Mechanic files from both SEED and SEED-D) MythSearcher 15:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GENESIS ALPHA

Do we have any pictures of this (or does it look just like the GENESIS) ? Or anymore information on it ?

[edit] PS armour = nano robots?

Where on earth did that referenced from? None of the setting books have that and only claim to use electricity to lower the damage. Once it is commented by official sources that it is similar to ERA (Electric reactive armour) being researched in Britain. MythSearcher 06:10, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

There is no reference on how PS work at all. Indeed, the removed info of PS is made-up by fan and successfully made Mark Simmons disregard us, as seen on old MAHQ's forum. L-Zwei 08:35, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Jan 2008

Maybe the armor actually surrounds the suit with layer like a net that is partially in another dimension so physical objects literally cannot touch the suit. In other words it is out of phase with the normal space time. This also explains why the particle weapons are less effective because only some of the particles get through the net. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.91.110.163 (talk) 09:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Variable Phase Shift Armor

Variable Phase shift was not some new improvement made by Zaft or Orb. Any machine equipped with Phase Shift Armor had the ability to change the style like the Strike Rouge or Impulse. The only reason the original suits did not do this was because they were still experimental so did not have it programmed, so they could have easily changed the settings to change their armors strength. Furthmore, the Freedom and Justice would not need to change the armor settings because it was a feature meant to help conserve power but since they both had near limitless power supplies they did not need to conserve as much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.118.24.113 (talk) 07:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

The official source state the opposite of you speculation. Based on the technology used in the Strike Rouge meaning the technology was a development, not the same thing. And no evident points to all machine with PS armour had the ability. MythSearchertalk 09:15, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

That can easily be explained by the fact that the original machines were all experimental and usually in battle so no one would bother to try changing the options. All the rouge and Impulse did was add an option in with their programs that automatically changed the armors strength. I'm not saying advances couldn't have been made I'm just saying that the ability to change colors/strength of the armor would not be an improvement because they all could most likely do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.118.24.113 (talk) 00:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Impulse is the first unit with VPS, that is in the mechanical description of Impulse. The PS armour on Strike Rouge is NOT VPS but an ancestor of it. I have no idea why you keep putting the two together as a single example. MythSearchertalk 07:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Strike Rouge VPS

Strike Rouge has Variable Phase Shift. There's no doubt about this, so I'm removing the chunk that says it does not. DarkWarrior 23:31, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Please state your source. Do not jump to conclusion if it is just your own speculation. MythSearcher 10:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm not speculating on my own. My source is the official GSD website. [1] This is NOT upto debate, so I'm removing the incorrect information again.
If I am not mistaken, the site says "Orb used their own technology to improve the PS armour to something similar to the VPS armour use on Impulse Gundam" This does not meant it got VPS armour on it, just something similar and obviously no name was given. MythSearcher 14:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
IIRC, it should be translate to something like "Impulse's VPS was based/improved on Strike Rouge's colour-shift PS armor" Though I might be wrong L-Zwei 15:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nuclear Technology

I see that someone removed the short linking to the main articles in super weapons page. I think this is very confusing because anyone who just got here will not know there already existed a page talking about those and this IS the technology page. The technology should actually exist here not there. I can cope with having it there but at least let people know where it is, do not remove them completely. If not, I can foresee a lot more people like the IP user earlier will keep adding those back here. MythSearcher 15:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quantum Communication has nothing to do with Mirage Colloid

As note by Mark Simmons at MAHQ message board, quantum communication and have absolutely nothing to do with mirage colloid. L-Zwei 05:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I really wish that people will try to read about some real life physics, if they are really into Gundam physics... Quantum communication is a communication method using quantum teleportation. I have no idea where on earth people get the idea of it having anything to do with mirage colloid. MythSearcher 07:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controling Dragoons, Special Awarness

Shinn Asuka and Athrun Zala wouldn't be able to control the system as effectively like the pilots mentioned for their lack of spacial awareness.

So Sting have a special awarness better than Shinn and Rey, Sting is a Natural not a Newtype, And what said about Shinn and Athrun based on nothing just a speculation, We didn't saw them controlling Dragoons so we can't say that.213.6.227.107 05:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

There are no Newtypes in the CE timeline, only people with better spacial awareness skills. And the fact is, in SEED, people having this ability are all Naturals, not Coodinators. MythSearcher 06:30, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
No Newtypes, Hmmm I don't know but what about Neo, Raw, ...., Fukuda himself said they are Newtypes or is his words are nothing like everytime, But another something is
in SEED, people having this ability are all Naturals, not Coodinators.
You mean that pilots in (SEED mode or in SEED series) having this ability are Naturals, But what about Kira??? is that a fact or it's your speculation, is it stated officially, I don't know a lot about these things but can you express more about it.213.6.248.61 23:54, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
What he said is not relevent any more, Sunrise and Bandai claimed that there are no NTs in the CE timeline, so there are none. They use "having specially high spacial awareness" as the term. Kira does not have that ability, his using of Dragoons are in fact new ones that have computer control, not directly controled by himself. Also, he shows no such ability in SEED, he only uses Dragoons in SEED-D when the computer technology is improved enough to have automated control.
It is not my speulation, these are all stated official in the mechanical files and data file. Fukuda himself actually made up the computer automated dragoons just to let Kira use them.
Fukuda even stated that Kira is his own image in the series, Kira is Fukuda.
The only thing not official is as follow: I think Fukuda is so proud of himself that he have to make himself be able to use every possible super moves in the series just to demostrate how he can destroy everything, including the series itself. MythSearcher 04:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Shocking new, as point out by Mark Simmons in this thread at MAHQ forum. Second generation DRAGOON are mind-controled like UC psycommu weapon. However, it also mean that Kira may not be one of "newtype". Also if you really think Fukuda's words make sense, keep in mind that he also claim Mu and Rau are last newtype. Thank to Rey and MSV/Astray dudes like Prayer and Morgan, his words clearly obsolete by now. L-Zwei 11:00, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Japanese wiki explanation
  余談ながら非常に高い空間認識能力を持つ者は、宇宙世紀で言う所のニュータイプの様な描写で描かれている。そのため、ファンの間では空間認識能力を持つ者＝ニュータイプという定義が出来上がりつつある
A translation is kinda like Trivia, people having high spacial awareness are described and modeled very similar to NTs in the UC timeline, because of that, there are fans who think that having spacial awareness = NT.
However, this proves that it is just fan talk, CE timeline have no NTs, just people having similar ability (spacial awareness)
1 more evidence: New Type magazine 2005 September add on supplimentry Mobile Suit SEED Destiny data file, page 12. Stating Legend Gundam having installed a new quatum interface, new generation dragoon system, which can be used even without Mue's spacial awareness ability. (量子インターフェースを改良した新世代のドラグーンシステムを装備し、ムウのような空間認識能力がなくともドラグーンを使用できる。) MythSearcher 14:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks about it, So Raw,Neo,Rey and others aren't Newtypes they are Naturals and Kira is a Coordinator, But
Despite the fact that the newer DRAGOON Systems no longer need high levels of spatial awareness, usually found only in Newtypes, most, if not all of its users were such, like Courtney Hieronimus, Prayer Reverie, Rau Le Creuset, Rey Za Burrel, Kira Yamato and Mu La Flaga. Morgan Chevalier, though only using as far as gunbarrels, was also a Newtype and thus could use an MS with a DRAGOON System easily as well
This part says that these pilots are Newtypes or I'm wrong and after it it says that Athrun and Shinn wouldn't be able to control the system as effectively like the pilots mentioned for their lack of spacial awareness, I don't think this info is true because Newtypes aren't the only guys who have spacial awareness also Kira and Rey can control their Dragoons without needing that spacial awareness because their MSes Dragoons are automated controlled, And You know more than me about it so is it true to say that Athrun and Shinn wont be able to control dragoons as good as others or at least like Kira and Rey, If yes then why?
Also if these pilots aren't Newtypes and that is just nothing more than fans specualtions then why it's stated in their articles that they are Newtype isn't it nessecary to change it or what?.213.6.224.28 01:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
The system can be operated fully automatic or semi-automatic. It is kinda like the computer is opearting by itself but you can still give it other orders. Therefore, people with spacial awareness can still give orders to improve to movements of the dragoons instead of letting them roam by themselves with simple actions which is quite easy to predict. Who has spacial awareness and who hasn't is just had to tell, other than the Flaga family and pilots from the MSV piloting first generation dragoon equiped units which are specificly stated as having such ability, all others are probably just speculate. Therefore, that statement of who can controll better is just plain speculation and should be removed.
Yes, it is necessary to correct each pilot's article to not state that they are NTs. However, it must also be stated that in the card game Gundam Wars and the video game SD Gundam G Generation series, these pilots are labeled as NTs just because of easy classification (as stated by Bandai and its sub-companies). MythSearcher 05:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm, Thanks for that, I was all the way thinking there are NTs in C.E, But now I know the truth, Thanks.213.6.229.149 23:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Voiture Lumière and M2P2

Hi!


I think it might be an idea to refer to the Mini-magnetospheric plasma propulsion system - which, if operable, would operate via the production of a 'plasma sail' capable of transporting a vessel within a star's heliosphere - as this seems to be the idea closest to that used by the Stargazer's interplanetary engine. --Nerroth 03:04, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

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