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[edit] Stolen units

Please refrain from adding various stolen units under the section of those who stole them. Those were built by the faction they were stolen from. The only exception are the first four units built by EA and stolen by ZAFT (Aegis, Bust, Duel and Blitz), because those four models were used as a base for all subsequent ZAFT Gundam-class mobile suit development (as also stated in the text). Even so, they are only present as a link, the descriptions still belong under the EA section. --IgorTrieste 15:18, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Guidelines

I have completely restructured the page, merging all the mobile suits from the Destiny series, which were listed on a separate page. The old Destiny-only page is now a redirect.

I have also cleaned the text, so now it follows certain guidelines:

  • All the mobile suits have to be listed under the Faction/Nation that developed them, not who actually used them. So under the Clyne Faction (Archangel) there is only a listing of the suits, and their fate in the story, the actual entries and descriptions are under EA or under ZAFT sections. Similarly, the mobile suits ZAFT stole in the Gundam Seed first episodes go under the EA section, as the suits stolen in the Gundam Seed Destiny first episode go under the ZAFT section.
  • All mobile suits appear listed with their code first, then the name, which DOES NOT INCLUDE "GUNDAM"; for example, it's GAT-X105 Strike, not Strike Gundam, or GAT-X105 Strike Gundam or Strike Gundam (GAT-X105). There's no 'Gundam' in the actual mobile suit code names.
  • Additionaly, all over the text, I refrained from using the word Gundam, because it's a acronym for the mobile suits and it is almost never used in the actual series, very unlike other Gundam series.
  • I reduced the description of the mobile suits to a minimum: purpose, main innovations, pilot, eventually its fate. There are separate lenghty pages containing all the data, the weapons and the variations, and the codenames link to them.
  • I listed only the principal mobile suits, the variations go on the page of the mobile suit itself. Please refrain of adding unrelevant minor ms variations, add them instead to the specific model page.

Please adhere to these guidelines when editing/expanding, and by all means edit/expand the guidelines themselves if deemed opportune (but motivate please).

There is yet no page for the GFA-X1 Destroy, and I have not yet seen the episode where it appears. So the link is dead, please check it when such page is created.

Thank you

--IgorTrieste 14:31, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Some MS links seem to be recursive: UMF-5a GOOhN, UMF-5 ZnO and UMF/SSO-3 Ash to me link (redirect) to this same page. I don't know if there are the actual pages, nor how to cancel the redirect...

--IvaTrieste 17:45, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Update

I added the same coding system used on the characters' page, to specify in which series the individual units appeared. Just put a [GS] or [GSD] or [GSA] or a combination after the name, before the hyphen. I updated all the units, although I'm not sure of the correct codes for all of them, especially Astray and manga units, so please fill in where incomplete or wrong.--IgorTrieste 09:21, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

And the MSV? They will not be indiccated? It could be an extra tag, like: [GS\MSV] or [GSD\MSV]. Or it will be excesive? What do you think? Washington Irving 02:29, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

  • MSV units are so prevalent in the Astray stories that the two are almost interchangable. 68.47.175.214 03:31, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Why Skygrasper include here, since it is a fighter? It also funny to put BuCUE and LaGOWE in Mobile armors category when their description said they're MS. L-Zwei 14:09, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • He's right. The BuCUE and LaGOWE would by traditional definitions be mobile armours, due to their non-humanoid designs. But they're officially called mobile suits, so that's what they should be listed as. Redxiv 17:07, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] GELGOOG

The GELGOOG really does exist (though we don't what its exact capitalization scheme will be). It shows up at the end of the latest Destiny Astray chapter. We'll probably get more info on in next chapter. http://www.zeonic-republic.net/1135252237197.jpg 68.47.234.131 01:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

What Faction does this MS come from? - Plau
We don't know yet. Like I said, the next chapter should tell us more, like the model number, who built it, the pilot's name, etc. It (or at least the pilot) seems to have come from Mars or beyond, because he acts like he's never seen Earth before. 68.47.234.131 05:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Some new information is in, and it turned out to actually be the MBF-P02 Gundam Astray Red Frame with a bunch of external armor and a couple of large binders added. I guess the pilot's reaction to being on Earth was just because Lowe had been away from his home planet for 2 years. 68.47.234.131 01:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GUNDAM

""Gundam" is never used in the series to officially identify any mobile suit..." This line is not entirely true... while the mobile suits are never specifically reffered to as Gundams, Cagalli and Athrun, in response to the theft of Chaos, Gaia, and Abyss, utter the line "That's a Gundam!" --208.104.166.30 15:47, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Deletions

Recent deletions to multiple Gundam pages in the Cosmic Era continuity have left an enormous gap devoid of information these pages should b restored and soon. Ireccomend looking at the deleted pages and aplying the necesary format changes w/out changing much of the already placed information, no matter what its natue. Tempest115 23:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)Tempest115 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.156.240.240 (talk) 23:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

I agree to this. There are much too many error javascript texts, the text in bold red, and also, many important units were deleted. Who's idea was it to delete around half of the mecha profiles for Gundam Seed? It was foolish.

Is there any way to restore these articles. A majority of the mobile suit articles have been erased.

I'm not sure, but until the articles are restored, here's a good site for most of the mobile suits of Gundam Seed/Destiny/Astray/etc: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/index.htm Even though this site provided is good, it does not cover the history of the mobile suits as well as the wikipedia articles did.

The reason they were deleted in the first place is due to them taking their information from mahq.net. I went and cleaned up the deleted links, since the pages have been marked for deletion. No more tons of red text. Offkorn 14:04, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, because the AfD was filled with people who don't grasp that MAHQ does not (and cannot) claim any copyright to mobile suit stats, any more than ESPN.com could claim ownership of athletes' stats. Redxiv 10:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

There is a fairly complete copy of the old information at (http://www.answers.com/topic/cosmic-era-mobile-units). The current template follows the Wiki as it stands, but the links to the unique mobile suit pages are intact. If the data were to be restored, most of it can be found here.

Here's what I beleive: we need to rebuild these, especially Impulse Gundam, Destiny Gundam, and any more important production suits (eg: ZAKU and maybe Gouf), and we will take a stand this time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by George Leung (talk • contribs) 12 January 2007

I don’t recommend trying to fight this too much. There has already being huuuuge wall o’ text discussions, and the overall agreement was that as Wikipedia is not a repository for random knowledge, most of what was up didn’t really deserve its place.
That said, there ARE some suits who deserve special attention. Impulse and Destiny qualify if Strike, Freedom, etc are acceptable. You could stretch it a bit by including Akatsuki, Legend, Destroy and other major machines and by sticking some minor variants in important-MS pages (Like all the Strike variants in the GAT-X105 Strike page)
However, and I’m just trying to save you time here, don’t go out of your way to remake the five billion ZOMG-666 ZAKU Cannon Fodder Pink-Plaid Frame and other extremely minor/never actually seen/model-kit exclusive MS that really have no relevance to the actual series and only matter to very hardcore fans. They’ll just get deleted again.
None of this is based on my opinion of what should or shouldn’t be included, it’s based on my (I think dead on) prediction of how things will turn out. Ephyon 03:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
It's perplexing that the titular MS's and a small handful of other major MS aren't getting their own page. Why can't Impulse Gundam have a page modeled after the Strike's page? It used to, and it worked. It had the Impulse Gundam, and all of it's major and minor variations on the same page. The Zaku II page is golden. It compiles a whole truckload of the variations, both important and minor, in one article and it works. Strike Freedom get's a nice page, it's a logical choice seeing as it's a main character's main weapon for a whole half of his series. But what's going on when Destiny Gundam and Legend Gundam (at least Destiny Gundam) are denied pages? This argument has been beaten to death several times...but the obvious correct path is constantly denied, ergo this debate (nay, squabble) is constantly brought up again. In closing, don't even bring up a fancruft debate. We're not asking for Meer's rediculous pink zaku to get it's own page (or any similar situation). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.203.132.215 (talk • contribs)

[edit] What is wikipedia anyway? or why delete relevant information on mobile suits?

Please understand this; wikipedia is a web space where human beings come to gain knowledge about their required topics. It is not a play ground for mindless kids who go around deleting important pages.

What right does anyone has to say that we are only going to create pages for their favorite gundam mechs or characters? None.

Kindly bring back all the info on gundam seed or any other mindlessly deleted pages. there is no page with information as irrelevent.

GAT-X303 Aegis Gundam for example is an important unit because it was used by Athuran 70% of the time in the series and it was the unit that was used to blow up strike. there are several examples of phase shift material and golden colored energy absorbing material or Lagrange points in space and its relevance to SEED series. So, as you can see in such an important anime series the last thing we would want is deleted pages.


Wikipedia has became a place where if u land just intime you might get the info you want other wise some gecko is going to delete those pages or remove info. seriously there is some mental therapy needed for those gunhappy guys. 202.63.229.194 12:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikepedia is a serious, real world, encyclopedia. The vast majority of information on the pages that were deleted was all in-universe and irrelevant for anyone not already well-acquainted with the series. There is a specific Gundam wiki with all that in-universe information intact and available, and as such there is no reason to use up bandwidth here to duplicate it. Offkorn 06:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

By your reasoning, articles on things ranging from the Daedalus class battlecruiser from Stargate, Galactica from Battlestar Galactica, Viper fighter from the same, even character data from various books, TV shows, and games, should be deleted because they are "in-universe". Yet Wikipedia's greatest strength is that it has these tidbits that are at times hard to find. Z98 00:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

What we have here is a number of people against Cosmic Era mobile suits removing information, saying that it is irrelevent or something, but not removing the other mobile suits from all of Gundam, or all of the other thousand or so articles just like the Gundam articles they deleted. Unless the deleters start going after similar articles of Star Wars or Battlestar Galactica, somebody should start rebuilding the MS articles.-Avery Segaw

Can someone please find the information about the mobile suits because I have to say that I want that information, now.

I am the same guy who wrote the previous entry & I have since been on the GundamWiki & I have to say the information it has isn't as complete than the information that was on Wikipedia before most of the articles & information got deleted by some people. Ican't remember the information on the deleted pages either so I can't do muck contribution on GundamWiki so can you please get the old information back.

[edit] ZGMF-X42S Destiny's Powerplant

On the description of the ZGMF-X42S Destiny on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZGMF-X42S_Destiny_Gundam, it states that the Destiny is powered by a Hyper-Deuterion Nuclear Reactor.


This is contradicted however by the fact that during the Strike Freedom and Destiny's fight at ORB, Rey orders Shinn to retreat to be recharged and resupplied. If the Destiny was in fact nuclear-power, it would not need to be recharged.

There was a thread in Gundam Evolution that had a reference to a mechanical publication. The search engine is down now, but I'll post a link later. For now, you'll have to take my word:
The technical info is true, it's the anime that messed up. Basically, since the system draws energy from the Deuterium charge, which in turn is resupplied by the nuclear reactor, it's theoretically possible to exhaust the deuterium battery faster than the reactor can recharge it. Theoretically.
Of course, Strike Freedom also uses the exact same system, and even though it's armed to the teeth, it had absolutely no problem firing it's myriad beam weapons up the wazoo for a lot longer, including the METEOR equipment which draws it's firepower energy from the MS's reactor.
Official explanation, paraphrased: "Ehhh... just pretend Destiny consumed more energy than it could resupply".
Real explanation: They messed up. I don't suggest you go and take the anime as being an absolutely perfect source for strictly mechanic details, since they've messed up before. "Mwu Vs. Lohengrin" for example. Ephyon 02:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


Though what you said is possible, why would the Destiny need to retreat even if it's power was low? It would just need to lay off the energy-gesling weapons for a few minutes and its battery would be recharged, it wouldn't need to make a full retreat.

And if the Destiny's powerplant is the same that the Strike Freedom's, how would Freedom be able to fire the Multi-Lock Weapon System, "Callidus" multi-phase beam cannon, Meteor "Full Burst Mode" and DRAGOON system (sometimes in combinations) and never once suffer a "critical low energy" warning or power-down.

I'll answer the second first: That's exactly the point. Barring the possibility that Destiny's Wings of Light system consumes an absurd amount of energy (which is never mentioned anywhere, and thus not likely), there's no way in hell it could consume more energy than the Strike Freedom's myriad beam weapons. "Destiny consumed more energy than the reactor could stand" is an excuse, and official excuse, but an excuse nonetheless for a mess-up in the anime, and a pretty bad one at that. Just like how the Strike could block the Lohengrin beam, even though given specifications say that the beam should have been pierced through regardless and blown the Archangel. Technical precision is not among Fukuda's specialities.
As for the first: Yeah but, what is the energy-consuming part of the machine? If, by logic, none of its equipment should eat up that much juice to begin with, how do you decide which parts not to use. Not to mention that in the middle of a battle, suddenly dropping your weapons and waiting for a recharge isn't a very good idea. And Destiny's dodging skills depend greatly of the Wings of Light illusion, which may or may not consume a lot of power. It's a waste of time to discuss this anyway, they simply needed a reason to cut off the battle at that point. Since this is all labouring on a bullshit excuse, there's no way to find a logic answer.
And sorry, I'm still working on finding that reference. Ephyon 12:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I FOUND IT: [Hid blacklisted URL] Ephyon 14:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

As you say: "... they simply needed a reason to cut off the battle at that point. Since this is all labouring on a bullshit excuse, there's no way to find a logic answer", you are right. They probibly needed an excuse to get Infinite Justice to save Strike Freedom, and there really is no logical answer because of technical precision errors.

I guess you're right in the end....It's impossible to base some technical and logical theories on some mobile suits because there are too many loopholes throughout the Gundam Seed Destiny series and manuals. *sigh*

[edit] Removing Terminal

Hey look, it's the can of worms again.

Following this and this, I will be removing Terminal's reference and moving all suits under Clyne Faction. That's the easy part.

However, there's a slightly shaky correction I'd like to make: Deakka and Yzak pretty much joined the Eternal mid-battle on Yzak's whim, there's no actual indication or official word that they were infiltrated spies or anything, so I'd like to remove the ZAKU Phantom and GOUF Ignited from the list. Or if anybody insists on counting them among Clyne's forces, at least reword the description so as not to make it sound like they were infiltrated agents. Ephyon 14:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

They are still a part of ZAFT as stated, and the reason of Yzakk was because the Eternal is still a ZAFT ship. ("It's a ZAFT ship isn't it" as Yzakk said to Dearka) And thus, required protection from other forces. Mainly Yzakk and Dearka, as part of ZAFT. Penetrana 20:47 April 29, 2007 (Philippine time)

[edit] ZGMF-X88S Gaia

Under Clyne Faction/Three Ships Alliance:

ZGMF-X88S Gaia [GSD] - ZAFT unit stolen by Phantom Pain, but recovered by ZAFT. Later stolen by Clyne Faction, assigned to the Eternal and piloted by Andrew Waltfeld. The Phase Shift armor was modified to produce Andrew custom orange and gold color scheme.

Under ZAFT:

ZGMF-X88S Gaia [GSD] - Capable of transforming into a 4-legged mobile armor used for terrestrial combat. Stolen by EA, Piloted by Stellar Loussier, an Extended pilot. Later recovered by ZAFT. Later again stolen by the Clyne Faction which has then painted in the golden colors of its pilot Andrew Waltfeld.

At http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/ZGMF-X88S_Gaia_Gundam:

Later in the war, the Gaia is acquired by the Clyne Faction, and cosmetically altered with a custom orange and yellow color scheme. The recolored Gaia is piloted by Andrew Waltfeld. This is more likely a 2nd Gaia created from data files by the Clyne Faction, probably along with the DOM trooper.

When was it said in Gundam SEED Destiny that the Clyne Faction steals the Gaia from ZAFT after it is recaptured from Phantom Pain/the Earth Alliance, and that Andrew Waltfeld was piloting the same Gaia that Stella once piloted?
I thought it was never mentioned in Gundam SEED Destiny if the Gaia piloted by Waltfeld was the same one Stella piloted or if Waltfeld's Gaia was a newly constructed one by the Clyne Faction/Terminal. --Silver Edge 18:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I have removed any mention of Andrew Waltfeld and Stella Loussier supposedly piloting the same Gaia unit. --Silver Edge (talk) 11:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IT'S not A GUNDAM!

I felt this needed a reminder: THERE IS NO CE MS CALLED “GUNDAM”. It’s a term Kira made up, got repeated rather ridiculously in every OS and is erroneously overused in the Astray manga only because its writer doesn’t seem to have any intention of keeping any form of consistency with the anime. While Bandai does (somewhat arbitrarily) put Gundam in its models’ boxes, no official serious data source ever lists the name Gundam in anything other than the OS’.

In other words, the Strike’s full name is “GATX-105 Strike” not “GATX-105 Strike Gundam”. This applies to every other machine. So PLEASE stop editing with the words Destroy Gundam, Destiny Gundam, Impulse Gundam, etc, it’s just not correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ephyon (talk • contribs)

Actual, according to the offical site, it's called the Strike Gundam.[1] The offical site also calls them the Destroy Gundam and the Impulse Gundams. [2] Edward321 23:59, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "List of Cosmic Era mobile units" reorganizing proposal

See discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gundam#Working on master list. --Silver Edge 00:34, 29 October 2007 (UTC)