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[edit] Created pages for episodes 3x12-3x20

I just created pages for episodes 3x12-3x20 of BSG.. Just thought I should let people know :) . --Illyria05-- 02:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that, but please remember not to put disambiguating suffixes on articles that don't need them. I've moved Taking a Break from All Your Worries, The Woman King and The Son Also Rises to the titles they should have, according to WP:TV-NC and WP:DAB. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, oops, I am so sorry.. I'll keep that in mind... --Illyria05-- 07:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit: Forgot to sign post

Don't be beaten down by the bully tactics my son!, there is nothing wrong with suffixes per WP:TV-NC. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 09:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, come on, Matthew. There's a clear consensus to disambiguate only when necessary, a fact which the ArbCom is in the process of confirming. Please see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Naming Conventions/Proposed decision#Titles of episodes of television series and Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Naming Conventions/Proposed decision#Closing of a consensus decision making procedure. Pointing out a guideline which has consensus support is not bully tactics. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Airdates

The US and the UK (Sky One) both co-produce Battlestar Galactica TV series, the UK aired the first season first as well, both dates are notable in their own rights as they are both from the primary countries, (not to mention you could also say it gains more notability for being broadcast in high quality as well) thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 17:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh okay, no problem :) . I do not mind :) .. Illyria05 (Talk • Contributions) 17:17, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Nonsense. This is a US show filmed in Canada. The UK dates shouldn't even be listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.226.188 (talk) 05:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Recap episode

Why isn't "The Story So Far" (the recap episode broadcast before season 3) included in the list?--ragesoss 23:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Season 3 release

Does anyone know when season 3 is coming out on dvd? if so, post it on my talk page. Sith Penguin Lord 21:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Mid-August, says Bear McReary.[1] Matthew 21:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The Season 3 DVD release date for Australia says "FALL 2007", Australia doesn't have a season called fall, we call it autumn. Also Autumn is between March - May in Australia. Why not put something like "September 2007" instead of an ambiguous Americanism. 203.143.238.107 03:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Ezydvd have a release date of 21st November for Australia. [2] 124.170.114.54 04:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Attempt to create precedent disallowing individual episodes

There is discussion at WP:AN/I#Fancruft_issue_again, and an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kept Man that is attempting to create a precedent disallowing individual episodes. Matthew 18:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Warning User:Peregrine Fisher and User:Matthew are attempting to vote stack this AfD by telling other users that this AfD will effect unrelated episode articles. This AfD is only about this set of articles, and stands on it's own. AfD is not a vote. Editors coming here to support a different show's set of episode articles should take the time to comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kept Man situation individually.

-- Ned Scott 19:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't agree with that particular move, but there are too many BSG articles. This one, the one on the mini-series and the one on the reimagined series need to be merged, since they are all about the same content (plus more in the case of the series). At very least, the difference between them needs much clarification, and I cannot think of any reason that the miniseries needs an article at all; nothing non-redundant can be said about it that cannot be covered in a single paragraph at the article on the series, which in fact is simply a repeat of the miniseries with additions, continuing into an ongoing series. No justification for redundant articles. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 07:42, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction

The following paragraph contradicts itself:

The first season was released to DVD on 28 March 2005 and 20 September 2005 in the UK and North America respectively and included deleted scenes. The American set also included featurettes, and a tongue-in-cheek promotional special filmed for the Sci Fi Channel in addition to the miniseries, however without its deleted scenes and making-of documentary from the standalone miniseries DVD.

It says that the US version both did and did not contain the deleted scenes. Also, "its" before "deleted scenes and making-of" has no clear referent. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 07:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

In America the retail chain "Best Buy" released season one on 4 Disc DVD almost 4 months prior to the comercial realse or any mention of an anticipated release date.The DVD box set had an alternate cover Black and red cover featuring the caracter six with a red cyclon-type stripe going between her eyes surrounded by cylon centorians in the background.The box set also did not contain the mini-series which had also been sold seperatly by Best Buy prior. The packaging bosted exclusive deleted scences however the box set itself contains less special features and less then up to par dvd menues then the later comercial release. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.12.181 (talk) 20:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Who posted March 27, 2008?

Someone posted that is when R1 Season 3 comes out. It's on a Thursday, so I doubt that is the actual date. Also, I can find no link to this. Who did this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.8.28 (talk) 02:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Reference for episodes 4.5, 4.7, and 4.9 titles

The reference is this: http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/02/battlestar-ga-2.html How do you put references in? -- Noneofyourbusiness (talk) 01:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll put it in. — Edokter • Talk • 15:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Razor & Season 4 Numbering

In the season 4, Razor should be further seperated from the table of season four episodes. It was a TV movie and yes it was filmed as a part of the season 4's production line but it is more than just an "episode". Hence its segregation from the the rest of the list should be so but in saying this i still think it should still remain under the "season four" heading but just a seperate part or subsection of S4.

Personally i think that that the numbering system of season 4 should reflect upon what the DVD release of Season 4 says (though this obvious isn't going to be for a while). In the meantime i think Razor whould revert back to a seperate section of season 4 completely. In saying this though, it is definantly remain under the "umbrella" of season four as it was produced during season 4's production sceduel and intended to lead into season 4 but it is unique as a television movie. As I am quite sure that Season four DVD release will not unclude Razor directly in it, "He That Believeth in Me" should be 4x01. This should reflect on the INDIVIDUAL Episode Article (which it currently doesn't follow anyway, see the first episode after Razor, "He that Believeth in Me, the article puts it at episode 2). Razor should have its 4x01 and 4x02 status abolished to "TV movie" or 4x00 (which does not sync with the season four episode pages) or something similar to what was done with the Miniseries tables.

Secondly, the razor flashbacks should also be in some form of a table of some sort to follow prcident with "The Resistance Webisodes."

ALSO, whoever made that colour co-ordinated season table at the top of the episode list page hasn't included Razor at all- please finish the job or colour co-ordinating the tables etc and fix this. Thank you.

Myles Trundle (talk) 05:09, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Razor is not season 4, it's a standalone TV movie. It was not billed as the season premiere and aired four months before the real season four! He That Believeth in Me continued the cliffhanger that was Crossroads. --TheTruthiness (talk) 03:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I don't disagree with that at all, that was actually my most preferred option but it seemed pretty adament through the articles that it was season four that i didn't think anyone else would actually agree. the only two points i will make about that though is that a) as I mentioned above it was apart of season four production line and b) it was intended to lead into season four but i agree is seperate hence why i was bidding for a comprise. but either way i think it should be seperated from season four episodes offically. -- Myles Trundle (talk) 08:52, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
  • The offical podcast/commentary for "The Ties that Bind" is up. It is labeled Episode #405, not #403.--146.145.215.58 (talk) 20:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
    • That settles it then; Razor is 401/402, "He That Believeth in Me" is 403 and so on... They always stated season 4 would have 22 episodes, so this would be more inline. — Edokter • Talk • 21:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
    • NOT HAPPY! if you were to go to any sharing site, the numbering starts at 4x01 being He that Believeth in Me. Now, you could say that "hosting sites/limewire (and so on) don't now what they are talking about etc etc etc but (for starters) Razor is quite obviously one continuous and unique episode which takes up 2, of what you might call, slots of the 22 episode order. Which brings me to my second point. The only link that Razor has with Season 4 (excluding a very minor plot theme on starbuck) is with the production order which called for 22 episodes. Just because they had two of the epsiodes on the order taken up by a movie doesn't mean that it is a part of season four (after all, it even aired independantly), it is clearly just more convenient to do it while get into the rest of the episodes instead of openning and closing production between seasons. FINALLY, going back to the topic of the given slots, the episode takes up two slots right? but it is (as i mentioned earlier) ONE CONTINUOUS EPISODE/TV MOVIE. the production order simply broke it up into two 42 odd minute blocks and said the order was 22 to give a better perspective on how many episodes had to be done - but the reality is, saying that Razor is episode 4x01 and 4x02 is IRRELEVANT for us as the viewers/public to call it two episodes which is stupid and i can guarentee you, no one will be calling it both! The only way i think this could be completly setteled is when the season four box set comes out which will have all of season four's episodes in it which i am pretty sure will not contain Razor as the production code is irrelevant to proper S4 numbering of the episodes (which the podcast's nubering would most likely be referring to.) And, as (another) final point, could i point out that if the nmbering were to be changed my way, it is still recognised as a part of the season four production order underneith Razor so it is not as if it is completely neglecting the fact it is under Season 4's "umbrella" but what i am proposing is that Razor should not have the numbering system which reflects upon a production order but something which has more relevance to what the episode actually is; a special (very near independant of the chronological events between S3 & 4) TV movie which should be singled out beyond the stupid prouction order numbering Myles Trundle (talk) 07:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
      • Happy or not... we follow whatever convention the producers choose to follow. If they decide to call it Episode Gazillion, we just follow their lead. I'm happy either way and will abide by consensus, but the podcast link is the first solid lead we have for the numbering for now. — Edokter • Talk • 08:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
      • ...I'll leave it for now but i think this would be best settled when the season 4 box set comes out which (as is suggested by its name) will hold all of season four. Now, if Razor IS in it, then I will let it go, but if it isn't then it would imply the need for a greater segregation between the movie and S4 (in terms of episode numbering that is). As the box set obviously won't be out for a while, I think it is best to avoid "editing wars" on the matter so I think (depite me not agreeing completely) that we just leave the issue in "hibernation" so until then (or until some other event occurs) may it just remain as is. Myles Trundle (talk) 07:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
      • This is confusing... there should be another column to portray the episode release order for that season if its not the same as the episode number.--67.135.15.12 (talk) 14:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
        • To summarise everything above. 1) Sci-Fi Channel identifies Razor as 2 episodes (despite the fact it is one continuous feature) because it goes for roughly 2 x 45 minute "slots". 2) when the production order was put in for 22 episodes, the first two were taken up by the moive. 3) There are no official resources which say Razor isn't an episode in Season 4 and that the only information provided by the current official resources (like the Sci-fi channel and actual producers) says Razor is 2 episodes so that is what is being said on this page. Now, for the record, I personally would rather that Razor didn't have that status of 401 and 402 but that is just the way things are for now. Anyway, as for your proposed episode count, that wouldn't be too bad an idea but visually might look really weird having two rows of numbers. Ultimately, things are going to stay the way they are for the moment until further events unfold for a comprimise reached. (which i will make right now)Myles Trundle (talk) 14:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Crew

I wonder if its worth considering adding the episodic directors and writers to this list for consistency with featured episode lists like List of The Sopranos episodes?--Opark 77 (talk) 01:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

  • I agree that would be something that could be worth considering BUT there is the issue of space on the table which (if someone doesn't ahve a wide screen) could make it look crammed and or rather wide. If you/someone does it, jsut make sure it doesn't look too crammed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myles Trundle (talk • contribs) 05:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WEBISODES PAGE

What are everyone's thoughts on making a page entirely devoted to Battlestar Galactica webisodes. The main reason for this is because of the Razor flashbacks which really don't a central loaction of wikipedia and there isn't probably enough informaiton on them to write/start an article entirely devoted on them. Also, I can't remember where exactly I heard this, but Moore was interesting in making some season four webisodes (which are not the razor flashbacks might i add) so if these are done (possible during the break midseason 4) then it would be most ideal to have all of the webisodes in one place instead of creating individual (and potensially small) pages. It seems silly to have a page entirely devoted to the resistance and none of the razor flashbacks. Thoughts... Myles Trundle (talk) 05:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CLEAN UP OF TALK LIST

I am not sure on what to do about it but at the top of this page (the discussion list not BSG episode list page) there are two somewhat random notes which are under no heading. Someone who knows the propper convention or appropiate action to take on this issue, would you please do so - it looks sloppy and i am not sure whether it is appropriate to delete them as discussion lists don't really ahv deleted sections in them. Cheers Myles Trundle (talk) 09:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

  • good work Edokter, i was also thinking about the idea of archiving too- the page looks alot better now Myles Trundle (talk) 05:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Survivor Count listing

Hi, I'm the one who popped in twice and changed the first cell in the the "Survivor Count" column to note the 20 billion that existed before the nuclear holocaust. Please note that I think this whole section is wonderful, and I'm eagerly reading and reliving. I don't want to keep making that change without explaining why.

The "From" in that column indicates what the number was before the attack. Nuclear Holocaust is the reason that the number decreased to 49,998. But Nuclear Holocaust is not a count. After my first edit (which deleted the "Nuclear Holocaust" link) was reverted, my next edit kept the link by stating "From 20 billion to 49,998 via Nuclear Holocaust." However, that was not acceptable either, and it was again reverted.

I won't attempt it again, as it IS a minor point. However, it's an important one, as grammar matters and the entire column is not consistent with itself. Something needs to be changed. Either include the 20 billion as an original count (which is what the column is all about), or change the name of the column to accomodate including a cause (unrealistic, as you would then need to explain why every other decrease happened), or change the statement itself to something like "49,998 due to Nuclear Holocaust."

Thanks for everyone's work! Grendel25 (talk) 21:04, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

My thought is: keep it empty. Remembers it states "survivor count"; any count prior to the attack does not denote survivors, just population. There are no "20 billion survivors". — Edokter • Talk • 22:05, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Talking about splitting hairs! Anyway, I agree with Edokter; it is a really tedious point but it does say "survivor count" but I can understand where Grendel was coming from. but i also think that the word "unknown" should be "none" because quite frankly, it is not unknown, i am pretty sure that you, Edokter, said that there are no survivor so why does it say "unknown"? Myles Trundle (talk) 06:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I'll replace it with a dash. — Edokter • Talk • 10:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Good, i am fine with the dash. BUT, the miniseries' survivor count is still a bit contradictory between the red and top tables. First of all, the survior count does not end at 49,998 in the miniseries, that number occurs at the beginning of the 1st episode of the 1st season. The thing to remember is that there is a period of time which is between the miniseries and 1st season which made the number of survivors 49,998 after being whittled down after the attacks every 33 minutes which had been going on for days- the miniseries doesn't directly end at the beginning of season 1. If you were to relook at the 33 where Roslin is at the white board, the number was 300 higher before the assults on the fleet hence the number at the end of the miniseries would have arguably been even higher. As a second point, all of the episode's survivor counts are the number of people alive at the beginning of the episode and (because of the reason's i have stated above) the miniseries can not have a survivor count of 49,998 and it is contradictory to what is said in the other table of it being ~50,000 which is far more correct so i have changed the top season summary table value to that. I am open to this being altered. Myles Trundle (talk) 12:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Order/rephrasing needed

This isn't a major point but it is said several times at the top of the page that the episodes are in chronological order (as well as being on the bottom of the all epidoes' infobox by saying saying "episode chronolgy" as a link to this page). Now, this isn't really true because of Razor and the Razor flashbacks (by which I am making them their own page too, up soon) which are NOT in the apropriate time periods which would be expected if this page were in chronological order considering when their events took took place. It all was in chronolgical order, might I add, at least until late 2007 with the premier of Razor. If this page were to be called "chronologically ordered" this would have to be changed or the title removed and replaced (the latter being my preferred personally). Thoughts? ... Myles Trundle (talk) 07:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually it wasn't even in exact chronical logical order even before Razor. "Downloaded" covered the time period from around time of miniseries to the time around the end of the previous episode largely from the perspective of Caprica 6. Jon (talk) 17:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
True but still it would be good to havve a kind of concensus here as to what to do about it. Myles Trundle (talk) 01:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 4th season numbering

What's with the numbering in 4th season? they began as 403- "He That Believeth in Me". it must be 401. Also the release dates seems off. After correcting the numbering, "the Hub"'s release date should be June 07,2008. Fotte

SciFi.com starts from 403, so that is the numbering we use. — Edokter • Talk • 14:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
There is already a talk section on this like 6 topics up if you cared to look. titled "Razor numbering" Myles Trundle (talk) 01:10, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
If someone has an issue they want to discuss they might not read every section, and I'm not sure it's readily apparent to someone interested in the numbering of Season 4 episodes that it has anything to do with the numbering of Razor. There used to be a section on episode numbering (where I first brought up the issue of Season 4 and Razor), but it was archived. Then the Razor numbering section came about because that section was no longer here. I understand the need to archive old discussions, but maybe ones that still have relevance should be kept, or this problem may keep occurring. Cvalin (talk) 04:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
I completely agree. If it possible, it would be particularly usful to keep important sections unarchived or even have like a symbol of somesort at the bottom of a section which would tell somone that the issue is either resulved or not (for example a tick or cross). Myles Trundle (talk) 06:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Season 4 Numbering Proposal - Consensus on what should be done with Razor

My proposal is that the 401 and 402 status be abolished from Razor and that it isn't given an episode number but is just simply accepted as a part of/being made alongside Season 4 which is already recognised in Razor's descrpition anyway. So, I would like to point out that it is not like the TV Movie's origin are being neglected, just altered to suit many people's yearning for He That Believeth in Me being 401 status. Yes the Sci-fo Channel says that Razor does take up these epiode numbers but they are impracticle. So through concencus the final outcome of this section's debate will determine once and for all what to do with Razor and Season 4. Leave thoughts and opions below as to whether you agree or disagree with the statements above. comment added by Myles Trundle (talk • contribs) 14:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

SciFi and RDM have always sustained that Razor is part of season 4, therefor we should follow their lead, even though others don't. However, if it makes more people happy, we could consider them Production codes instead of episode numbers, but I think that it wouldn't make a lot of difference. — Edokter • Talk • 16:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)