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[edit] Removal of sub articles for episodes

I would suggest that this show does not merit separate wiki pages for each episode, and that those pages are fairly repetitive now (each has a long list of reference links which are identical and therefore unnecessary). The same is being done by consensus at List of Justice League episodes, where airdate information and the like can all go onto one page. Dyslexic agnostic 05:42, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help needed in Justice League Unlimited

If somebody is interested in Justice League Unlimited, please go to the List of Justice League episodes to help fix that page, meet this one's high quality standarts.Some users refuse to expand info and create article per episodes, even though they know the existence of the wikiproject and well developed pages like the sub-articles here.--T-man, the wise 02:26, 2 July 2006 (UTC)--T-man, the wise 02:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

About the problem previously pointed above, there is a whole list of examples of ther lists of episodes doing the same as this, in Talk:List of Justice League episodes. If the episodes already have a page each, you can summarize the info here and expand it more on the subarticle.--T-man, the wise 02:30, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Change orther

The main reason is that authors didn't intent the order on wich the episodes actually aired.

Prove of this is the fact that they used the one they originally planned on the DVDs:

Disc 1 - On Leather Wings, Christmas With The Joker, Nothing to Fear, The Last Laugh, Pretty Poison, The Underdwellers, P.O.V. Disc 2 - The Forgotten, Be a Clown, Two Face: Part One, Two Face: Part Two, It's Never Too Late, I've Got Batman in my Basement, Heart of Ice Disc 3 - The Cat and the Claw: Part One, The Cat and the Claw: Part Two, See No Evil, Beware the Gray Ghost, Prophecy of Doom, Feat of Clay: Part One, Feat of Clay: Part Two Disc 4 - The Joker's Favor, Vendetta, Fear of Victory, The Clock King, Appointment in Crime Alley, Mad as a Hatter, Dreams in Darkness

Whenever the series is re-run in order that's the followed order. The producers intended characters and events appear in certain order, I'd like to keep it as a way to pay respect. How ever the airdate is data we can't change. We'd be following the production order but still mentioning the airdate. (this is one of the few series with such problem)--T-man, the wise 08:38, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

{{Infobox Television episode
| Title        =
| Series       =
| Image        =
| Caption      =
| Season       =
| Episode      =
| Airdate      =
| Production   =
| Writer       =
| Director     =
| Guests       =
| Episode list =
| Prev         =
| Next         =
}}


[edit] Name of the eps

Here is how all the episodes should be named--T-man, the wise 08:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

No, that is one person's opinion on how Dr. Who episodes should be named. This is not a wikipedia policy. -- Dyslexic agnostic 08:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I wont edit soon because I want to avoid edit waring.--T-man, the wise. I've asked to the wikiproject TV episodes to define a guideline. Righ now, I don't want to edit here anymore, because if I work any version and the wikiproject chooses the other way my edits are going to be erased. 08:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

And I've written the following in reply on the wikiproject page:
I note that almost all "major" TV shows follow the title of the episode with the name of the show in parenthesis. See List of Prison Break episodes and List of Star Trek: Voyager episodes as two good examples. It is only in the Dr. Who episodes that there seems to be a lack of consensus. Despite the issue of disambiguation, the unique factor to consider is that all TV episodes should be treated alike, as some titles are more anbiguous than others and the use of the parenthesis will leave no doubt.
-- Dyslexic agnostic 08:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

The WP policy is if using parenthesis only whe there is Disambiguation. But even if there is the most importan article still doesn't get parenthesis. There is no rule backing using the parenthesis indifferently for all the eps of a series (yet)--T-man, the wise 08:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC) I'll wait for the consensus there, then--T-man, the wise 08:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

The same guideline applies to Wikipedia: wikiproject TV episodes, so as soon as I find out how to eliminate redirects and move the articles with the unnecesary parenthesis, I or whoever wants to take the job will change it.--T-man, the wise 16:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Any doubts about my work check: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television)#Episode articles

[edit] Tables finished

I just finished filling the tables. In case you forgot it. Before me this page was a plane copy-paste of the episode synopsis you can find anywhere on internet...

It was I who design and did mos of this work:

  1. Redesign the tables
  2. Put all images (I also categorized each one), but on leather wings
  3. Added all the credits, airdate and episode number info.
  4. Created the format that will be used when the subarticles finally develope.
  5. Put all the annoying yapping you can read in this talk page :P

I basically took the page from this to THIS. --T-man, the wise 23:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dyslexic Agnostic

Finally, some pilotfish editing I can take (I don't approve it, but it was kinda useful to me though) Only be careful with the drastic changes. The citation needed and the part you took off were uncalled for. I understand what led you to believe so, but you can ask me first when you don't undertand or doubt something. If you're going to keep your pilotfish work against advise (and my wishes) I'd appreciate if you could tone down comments like "significant". It's just typo correcting, very necesary but is not major working as writting. Same thing with the naming those were massive edits you were making and you were wrong all along. Please, be more careful in the future.--T-man, the wise 03:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode running time

With the opening and the credits sequence omitted, doesn't it seem like an episode runs more around close to 20-21 minutes, as opposed to just 18 minutes?

-- Marikina

I agree, I've been watching the episodes again and they are about 21 minutes long on average...

Aznfyrepixie 05:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mistakes

There are a lot of mistakes in the air dates. Also the directors ana the writers of some episodes are mistaken. In our bulgarian list of episodes - http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%BA_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD:_%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5_%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8 I corrected the all, and the bg list of episodes is better than this. Correct the mistakes. To do so, you (all of you) must watch the beginning of every episode again, as I did, or just rewrite everithing from the bulgarian list. Batman tas

[edit] The Giant Coin

Is anybody watching the discussion page? I removed the statement for the penny it the episode list and in the article. In the episode "Almost Got'Im" the giant coins in the cave and in the bank are not the same. Just look at the size. From episodes "Off Ballance" and "Almost Got'Im" Batman tas

[edit] Summaries

The Summaries were coopied from worldsfinestonline.com so I removed them. Gman124 14:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

It would have been a better Idea to: a) consult with the editors here first b) modify them or asking someonoe to do it for you. Several of these summaries didn't come from worldsfinestonline.com, they come directly from the warner bros. distribution. Therefore the best way to deal with these would have been using italic text and specifying "original summaries from Warner Bros.--T-man, the wise 18:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episode notability

Many or all of the existing individual episode pages for this series appear to fail the notability guidelines for television episodes, and have been tagged accordingly. These articles can be improved through the inclusion of real-world information from reliable sources to assert notability. Overly long plot summaries should be edited, to a maximum length of approximately ten words per minute of screen time. Trivia should be integrated into the body of the article, or removed if it is not directly relevant. Quotes and images should only be used as part of a critical analysis of the episode. You might also consider merging any notable information onto the show's "List of episodes" or season pages. Otherwise, when these pages come up for review in fourteen days, they may be redirected or merged. If you want any help or further information, then come to Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Episode coverage. Thanks. TTN 18:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

If there are no objections, these will be redirected in a while. TTN 17:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
While some of them (On Leather Wings, Beware the Gray Ghost, and The Cat and the Claw for examples) probably could stand to have an article on there own, I agree that Wikipedia may not be the most appropriate place for full-page episode articles on this. However, World's Finest should not be merged with this page, as it is (production-wise) an episode of Superman: The Animated Series (I also think it should have enough real-world notability to stand on its own, being a near TV-movie like thing).--Tim Thomason 03:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I'll leave that one for now. If anyone actually feels like making an attempt to bring these up to standards, the redirects will always exist. Other than that, I guess I'll get started. TTN 22:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
If 'Wikipedia', of all places, isn't an appropriate place for in-depth information on pop-culture, such as full-page episode articles of a popular cartoon, I don't know what is. ButteredToast 05:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Story continuity

I suggest completely wiping it out until it is re-written. I just read through it and it's a bunch of random, incoherent mumbling that makes little sense and is full of contradictions, personal opinions and unsourced statements. I honestly have no idea how it's survived this long. 75.153.231.20 22:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed! I hate that. Claycrow 16:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Restoring sub articles for episodes

I cannot believe the individual episode pages were removed from Wikipedia. What was the point of doing that??? My friend and I used those pages as a reference point for a bi-weekly podcast that we do. Now we can't use them anymore, because, hey, some guy didn't like them. Good job. I'm sure Wikipedia is MUCH better off for not having those pages anymore. What an utter disgrace.

James IV 19:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)James IV

Instead of deleting the episode pages (which provided trivia, cast listings and more useful information), they should have been expanded. Removing them was a big mistake, and I request they change be undone.

The same goes for the Justice League, Batman Beyond and all DCAU episode pages. They should be full restored.

Destroda 19:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Seriously. If the list of episodes for an animated series is notable, than the descriptions of the episodes are notable. ButteredToast 02:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Some of the entries do need to be expanded. That I agree with. But deleting them was senseless. When / If I can find them time, I'll do my best to restore / expand the pages. Destroda 00:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Guidelines and policies are critically important and there is a clear guideline that lays out the consensus view on articles for individual TV episodes which can be found at WP:EPISODES. The contents of that guideline should be closely followed: individual episode articles need to establish out-of-universe notability, and plot summaries, goofs and trivia (also contained at WP:TRIVIA) are explicitly discouraged. If you can expand the individual articles in a way that satisfies the criteria laid out by the episode guideline, then by all means do so. However, if the focus of the article remains plot summaries, trivia and other such in-universe content, then the consensus view is clear and unequivocal that such articles should not exist and the content instead be included on the list-of-episodes page. Eusebeus 12:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
But the separate articles weren't replaced with plot summary content on the list-of-episodes page. They were replaced with nothing. If, as you say, the guidelines say the content should be edited and moved, deleting the content entirely is clearly the wrong move and it's clearly going to upset people. ButteredToast 04:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

While I suppose that does make sense somewhat (Eusebeus), I aggree with top people. It is a huge disgrace, and whoever did that will be hated by me forever. I enjoied knowing whenever an episode (for example see no evil's ending) was originaly going to be different or whatever. Above all the titlecards should at least be on the page. But serously, no plot summeries. What the heck! I thought I liked what Wikapedia stood for, and I think I still will most of the time, but this is an outrage to a Batman fan like me!Claycrow 21:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

To Eusebeus, WP:TRIVIA#Avoid_trivia_sections_does_not_mean... clearly mentions that if the main problem with the old pages was having trivia sections, they should have been integrated in some way rather than completed gotten rid of. As it says "Poorly presented information is better than no information at all". Rather than all episode pages being removed, there could have been better discussions about how to modify the individual pages. Instead, some blowhard decided to remove ALL the pages - somehow, if the same format were uses in episodes of House, I doubt every episode would have been removed. Still, this is a cartoon - no-one wants to know any information about this Emmy-award winning series or anything... Slothian 00:35, 3 September 2007 (GMT)

Well all I know is that if this derection was taken for The Batman, or better yet, The Simpsons, everyone would have about two millon people on their "people who hate me" list. Claycrow 16:29, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Brief plot summaries can be provided within the context of the episode list. See List of That's So Raven episodes for just one example; others abound. The issue with the standalone articles is not that they contain trivia(although that is an issue). It is, rather, that they do not contain out-of-universe context or assertions of notability. Per the episode guideline purely in-universe content should be maintained on the list of episode pages. I suggest that the episode table be modified to contain a plotsummary field. As for some of the rather heated comments above, the episode guide should applied to all television series, from the Simpsons on down; there is a clear policy against inherited notability, and each episode article should be judged according to the same standard. Eusebeus 17:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd never logged into to wikipedia before, but I created an account just for this. The individual episode pages were great, and I want them back! What was the harm in having them?OCB 01:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Heart of Ice won a fucking Emmy. I'm fairly certain that qualifies as notable. Dlong 13:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

It sure as hell does!Claycrow 01:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Why were the episodes pages for Batman and the other DCAU series removed? This series was notable for starting a cartoon universe which carried on for over 10 years. What other cartoon did that? These cartoons were great, and watchable for kids as well as adults. World's Finest Podcast does a great job of illustrating this point. Bring the episodes pages back, as someone obviously went to the trouble to creat them. I understand why people thought they were against the Wiki guidlines or whatever, but who gives someone the right to delete someone else's work? It was not porn, or obscene, so why just delete them instead of editing them into a more consice fashion (if space was the issue) or expanding them? Would you like it if I deleted the pages about your favorite TV show? Are you going to delete the episodes pages for shows like LOST or M.A.S.H. too? If you are going to enforce a rule, do it across the board. Bring the episode pages back for the DC Animated Universe, please. Knightwingbk 21:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC) knightwingbk

I just scrolled up to the top of this page and read this: " This article is part of WikiProject Television, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to television programs and related subjects on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion. B This article has been rated as B-Class on the quality scale." If that is your true intent, for an expansive, comprehensive, and detailed guide to a series, they why delete the episode pages? That is just hypocritical. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knightwingbk (talk • contribs) 21:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

-OK, so I went looking for the summaries for the episodes and they're gone? I see a lot of posting by many people who say they were great, and a lot of posting by people who say "they violated the rules!" Are you kidding me? I try not to throw out the reference too often since it *is* pretty cliched, but it was the Nazi's said ("I was just following orders?"), without thinking of the spirit of the law? The episode specific pages were well thought out, informative, and even though they weren't perfect, I haven't seen one person who says he/she didn't like the content? Also, I haven't seen a compelling argument for removing them. It's easy to quote the rules and delete them, can anybody take some sort of a stand and tell me *why*, when wikipedia favors consensus over credentials, these were removed? There are some posts in here where people seem to lose their cool, cursing and letting their frustration (passion?) come through. So, I'm asking Eusy or anybody else to explain, on this page, why destruction trumps construction on wikipedia?CoffeeLNU 01:14, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment Wikipedia works by consensus: the consequence of often lengthy debates between people who bring various perspectives to the question. With respect to articles about fiction and specifically television episodes, Wikipedia has a set of guidelines and policies which are the result of that consensus-building exercise: WP:FICT and WP:EPISODE. If an individual episode can be brought up to the standard asserted in those guidelines, then it merits an article. Otherwise, consensus is clear: the article should be redirected. It must be stressed that consensus (and I urge editors to read the policy page) refers to site-wide practices, not the accumulation of opinion on a specific article or subject page. As a result, the recreation of the episode articles as they were written contravenes what, to date, has been determined the best practices for the online encyclopedia. Eusebeus 22:37, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

-This is an absolute tragedy. Not only did Heart of Ice win an Emmy, but it *had* a properly organized and referenced Wikipedia page. Shame on you Eusebeus, I can't believe you indiscriminately removed all episode pages and episode screenshots, without first verifying all contents... disgraceful. Your complaints about the pages not being accurate enough are laughable at best. How are we supposed to prove a counter-point on pages meeting wikipedia standards, when the pages are no longer viewable. Robin's Reckoning? Nominated for an Emmy, but not good enough to be mentioned on wikipedia? This is a tragedy. Nmerkner 18:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I removed Story Continuity

As mentioned in the far above discussion, I have removed this, due to it not sounding right. I have the whole thing on my computer if it needs to be replaced.Claycrow 01:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Merge Didn't Happen

When a merge occurs, some data must actually be transported from the merged articles to the main articles. TTN shouldn't be doing the mergers if he doesn't have the time to do the entire job. Notthegoatseguy 12:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Off Balance" episode

Batman asks, "Who's side are you on?" and Talia replies, "That would be telling." This is clearly a reference to the exact same lines repeatedly used in the opening of The Prisoner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.49.154 (talk) 08:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move to List of Batman animated episodes. JPG-GR (talk) 03:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Why does this article get to be "List of Batman episodes", when a) the show's original title was "Batman: The Animated Series"; b) episodes from several, differently-titled shows are included here; and c) the only TV show entitled simply "Batman" is the 1966 Adam West vehicle? Surely a more apt name for this article would be "List of Batman animated episodes", both to cover all the various titles it had and to differentiate it from the article about the 1966 episodes? I'll grant you that that article has a very odd name, too (Batman (TV): Guest appearances and episodes). It should be split into two articles, one for episodes and one for guest stars. But there's no question but that the title for this article is problematic on several fronts.

Another possibility is just to move this article back to List of Batman: The Animated Series episodes and snip the redirect to List of Batman episodes, allowing the 1966 list to take over this page. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 08:05, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Support move to List of Batman: The Animated Series episodes, which matches its main article. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
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