Talk:List of Antarctic expeditions

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Contents 1 Soviet expeditions? 2 Soviet expeditions 2.1 References 2.1.1 General 3 Thanks 4 Great amount of work, but overreferencing should be avoided 5 rename? 6 expedition not listed 7 Operation Deep Freeze 8 Nimrod Confusion

[edit] Soviet expeditions?

This list doesn't cover any Soviet Antarctic Expeditions. For example, between 1955 and 1975 there were 20 of them (the first Soviet Antarctic Expedition was held in 1955-1957) - the list in Russian is available here

Surprisingly, not even a single of those expeditions is mentioned in the article. Perhaps one day I'll add some info. I suppose, that English sources exist too. Everybody is welcome to contribute to this "unexplored field". Cmapm 15:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Rather than constantly complaining about what is not in the article why don't you get off your A$$ and add something ?! Cordially SirIsaacBrock 15:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Please try and remain civil. A constructive comment is not a complaint. - FrancisTyers 16:07, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I'm involved into other topics now and have no time for this so far. I just wanted to say, that the list is not comprehensive by far. As I know, this is not prohibited in Wikipedia. BTW, personal attacks are prohibited. Please, stop them. Perhaps you should consider the refactoring possibility. Cmapm 16:04, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Some photos that might be {{PD-Soviet}} and more information here. - FrancisTyers 17:06, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Soviet expeditions

• 1960 — 1962 Sixth Soviet Antarctic Expedition (Russian: Шестая САЭ) — led by ?
• 1969 — 1971 Fifteenth Soviet Antarctic Expedition (Russian: Пятнадцатая САЭ) — led by ?
• 1971 — 1973 Seventeenth Soviet Antarctic Expedition (Russian: Семнадцатая САЭ) — led by ?
• 1972 — 1974 Eigtheenth Soviet Antarctic Expedition (Russian: Восемнадцатая САЭ) — led by ?
• 1973 — 1975 Nineteenth Soviet Antarctic Expedition (Russian: Девятнадцатая САЭ) — led by ?
• 1974 — 1976 Twentieth Soviet Antarctic Expedition (Russian: Двадцатая САЭ) — led by ?

Thanks for your reply. You are right, just a remark about the translation: "Pervaya"-> "First", "Vtoraya"-> "Second" etc. Leadership is in the column "Руководство" of that table. Sorry, I'm reading a very interesting article Planetary habitability now :) and will reply again much later. Cheers! Cmapm 16:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, I should have realised that :)) - FrancisTyers 16:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Right I've done a few, I'll leave the rest here to fill in another day, unless someone else would like to do the honours - preferably a Russian speaker, its hard finding the full names of the explorers :) - FrancisTyers 17:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Have you noticed that these Russian expeditions are not numerical, do you know if these are the correct names ? Why not do some research and add them in numerical order starting with the year of the first expedition and build up from that point, instead of ad hoc ? Cordially SirIsaacBrock 17:38, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

How do you mean they are not numerical? I had the first, second, third etc. but I found the leaders of those so I moved them into the article (see article page). Regarding the correct names, these are the names that were on the site that Cmapm kindly provided. If you doubt my translations of the names I would encourage you to seek a second opinion, but I'm confident they are correct. - FrancisTyers 18:05, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see, you mean I got one out of order, ok, I just fixed that, any other suggestions? Sorry I missed that! :) - FrancisTyers 18:12, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello Francis, r u unable to count 6th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 14th etc... we seem to be missing 1st to 5th 7th to 9th and 13th. Under the Wikipedia rules I am requesting that you provide an academic citation for each of the entries you have put on the list. A citation from an unconfirmed third party website particularly in a language other than English would not be adequate. I have moved this list to an article called List of Russian Antarctica expeditions this can be merged with the main article once someone decides to perform adequate research and write articles on these nebulus expeditions. Cordially SirIsaacBrock 18:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your reply, in response, the ones above that are missing are now in the main article (as I mentioned above). I will happily provide citations for these expeditions. Please do not move them to List of Russian Antarctica expeditions as this is a misnomer. In response, yes I am able to count, in more than one language! :) Perhaps we should move the other red links off the article too? - FrancisTyers 18:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Anything in Red I can provide a citation for, I will be happy to provide once I see your stuff. SirIsaacBrock 18:40, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead :) - FrancisTyers 19:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Right, thats a few of them cited. If you feel so inclined, feel free to move the ones with {{fact}} tags on onto this page. I will see about sourcing those later. Hope this helps! I really think that the article by Bozcek covers most of them though by specifying that in 1984 there had been 28 expeditions. If you are happy to use this as a reference I will cite the rest of them and include them, if not, then as I said, I'll take a look later. :) - FrancisTyers 19:51, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

• Fifth - Eds. (1960) "The Record" in The Geographical Journal. Vol. 126, No. 2 (Jun., 1960), pp. 248-255
• Sixth - Gillmor, C. S. (1994) "Science and Travel in Extreme Latitudes" in The History of Science Society. (Chicago : The University of Chicago Press)
• Tenth - Eds. (1965) "The Record" in The Geographical Journal. Vol. 131, No. 2. (Jun., 1965), pp. 303-307
• Twelfth - Sen′ko, P. K. (1967) "Seasonal work of the twelfth Soviet Antarctic Expedition (November 5, 1966-May 11, 1967)" in Soviet Antarctic Expedition, Vol. 7, pp. 53-58.
• Thirteenth - Kozlov, A. I. and Fedorov, B. A. (1971) "Radar Sounding of Antarctic Glaciers in the Summer of 1967/8" in Soviet Antarctic Expedition Information Bulletin, Vol. 7, No. 3. (Jan., 1971), pp. 208-212
• Fourteenth - Kornilov N. A. (1971) "The fourteenth Soviet Antarctic Expedition. General description" in Trudy Sovetskoi Antarkticheskoi Ekspeditsii (Work of the Soviet Antarctic Expedition), 57, 8-98.

• Sixteenth - Petrov, I. G. (1973) "Investigations conducted by the Sixteenth Soviet Antarctic Expedition" in Soviet Antarctic Expedition Information Bulletin pp. 5-13. 1973

[edit] General

"So far, 28 Soviet Antarctic Expeditions have taken place, each year growing in the quantity of personnel and equipment, and in the scope of scientific enquiry"

• Boczek, B. A. (1984) "The Soviet Union and the Antarctic Regime" in The American Journal of International Law, Vol. 78, No. 4 (Oct., 1984), pp. 834-858

[edit] Thanks

That's the way you do it !! Cordially SirIsaacBrock 20:49, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

No problem, I'll see about writing some stub articles for those expeditions too. :) - FrancisTyers 20:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Great amount of work, but overreferencing should be avoided

I move all references here and replace them just by two ones, one of which is to the 3-volume monograph in Russian, covering 1st SAE to 40th RAE. BTW, surprisingly, it is available "online" through Google's cache and I can look for any inf. there except images. Another one is a periodical in English. I also add a link to inf. about some SAE from the British Antarctic Society and remove "fact" tags, no more need when referenced, like e.g. inf. "in red" about German expeditions. I'll do more work on the list, including leaders and other expeditions later.

Cmapm 22:24, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, its looking good, now to fill in those redlinks :) - FrancisTyers 02:31, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] rename?

Shouldn't the title of this article be List of Antarctic expeditions as seeing as Antarctic is the adjective? Otherwise it should be List of Expeditions to Antarctica. You wouldn't write List of Germany Expeditions? Come to think of it, it's probably preferable to call the article List of Expeditions to Antarctica otherwise is could be misconstrued as being expeditions from Antarctica, as in German expeditions (to...) Anyone agree? Or am I just being overly fussy? Iancaddy 23:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

No I think Antarctica is the name of the Continent, so this would be the appropriate name. Antarctic is the name of a zone not a continent SirIsaacBrock 02:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's also the adjective for the continent, and like Iancaddy said, it's illiterate to speak of "Europe expeditions". But this article covers a wide swath beyond the continent, even including expeditions to South Africa and the Cape of Good Hope, so I don't see how any title could make sense except for "List of Antarctic expeditions". 69.239.236.37 15:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] expedition not listed

Japanese Antarctic Research Expedition (JARE). 1968-1969. Dr. Muriyama (spelling?) of the University of Tokyo led. Spent 3 days at the Admundsen-Scott Station (South Pole Station) for Christmas of 1968. They partied so hard, they drove over the horizon the next day, stopped, and rested for a day. They had much nicer boots than the American "Mickey Mouse" boots. A book (in English) was published covering the expedition's research and discoveries.

Source: Author's interview with Lt. Commander B. Jay Bowman*, USN, retired, December 2007

• Then Lieutenant Bowman was Officer-in-Charge of the Pole Station, 1968-1969 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.137.7.199 (talk) 14:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Operation Deep Freeze

Only the first Operation Deep Freeze mission is listed, yet there were two more (at least). — Loadmaster 01:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nimrod Confusion

Shackleton did not reach the South Magnetic Pole at 88.23'S on 16th January 1909. He did get to that latitude, on 9th January 1909, while attempting to reach the geographic pole. The South Magnetic Pole was reached on 16th Jan at 72.25'S, on the same expedition, by Prof. Edgworth David. I have made the necessary correction.Brianboulton (talk) 18:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

And Shackleton's name shouldn't be on the Discovery Expedition entry. He wasn't the leader and anyway stopped just short of the Furthest South. I've deleted himBrianboulton (talk) 23:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)