Talk:List of Ace Attorney characters

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[edit] Franziska's Whipping Record

Just so you know, she does whip Miles Edgeworth in Case 3-5 if you press Bikini during a certain portion of her testimony (the bit where she mentions her bath). Edgeworth HAS been whipped in-game, though it's clearly a much rarer occurrence than the rest. Unsigned because I'm too lazy to log in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.113.220.245 (talk) 15:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spoilers?!

Shouldn't there be a warning for spoilers on this page?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.70.158.78 (talk) 16:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

There really should be a strong spoiler warning, especially since Godot's real identity is revealed within the article, along with many other spoilers (Phoenix's adoption of Trucy, etc...) Falindrith (talk) 03:46, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes! I was just reading through this for more info on Godot and it said it as if it is general information... It should either be taken out or spoiler tagged. --204.248.58.85 (talk) 23:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

This article is done very poorly, it should not have any spoilers in it at all. Character descriptions are meant to be read by people that have not played the game yet and therefore have no background information on the game's characters.

I removed the fact that Misty Fey is Elise Deuxnim, and I also removed the info about Godot's past from his character info, only leaving what his actual name is, since that isn't really a spoiler. Dahlia Hawthorne and Iris's descriptions need to be changed to remove any connections to the Feys, since that was a big plot point that wasn't revealed until the last case of the last Phoenix Wright game. User:mvidmaster 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually it seems that was written by 72.235.160.192 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)
There doesn't seem to be a user mvidmaster at present.
We don't remove facts from Wikipedia, at least not the kind of fact you mention. Articles on Wikipedia, by definition, are intended to provide full coverage of all important facts. If some fact isn't a spoiler (that is to say, it isn't important) then perhaps it can be removed, but obviously the reverse doesn't apply otherwise we'd have nothing to write about except stuff that only matters a little bit. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 00:07, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Character images

I'm not sure if these images are from the game or not, so I'm not sure if they can be used on WP. Can someone clarify? Blast 15,01,07 1905 (UTC -5)

Yes, those are from the game. The first picture they have, the artwork, that's on the cover of Phoenix Wright: Justice for All. But I remember those from the game. It seems like the only difference is that they're in Japanese. ForestAngel 18:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Judge won't be returning in GS4, eh?

That wasn't the impression I got from this video. Is there a source that contradicts this claim (ie: corresponds to what the page already says)?

In other news... man, that guy really gets around. --Shadow Hog 03:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

He's the judge in the demo, too. But appearing doesn't mean he's the main judge.—ウルタプ 03:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, at the very least, I think you would agree that we can ditch that "it's unknown if he'll even show up" quip - it's pretty obvious that he is present.
Though I'd still like a source for him not returning. In due time, I'm sure (certainly a little longer than the past two hours, at any rate). --Shadow Hog 04:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
The judge is back. He's the judge all the way up to Case 4. However, a jury system is implemented for the final case, and I don't know what happens with him. --Twilight in Zero, not technically a member. 12:52, 14 April 2007

[edit] It's Godot, not Godo.

The meaning in his name has been well established; it is based on Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot." Thus, I'll be changing his name to match that. His name is also listed as Godot on the Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations page. If anyone objects to this, I apologize in advance. --Twilight in Zero, not technically a member. 12:54, 14 April 2007

I don't know whether "Godot" is established for the English version or not, but it's officially spelled "Godo" for Japan even though ゴドー is technically the transliteration for the name "Godot". So, for the time being, I'm reverting. (Just so you know—I know it's "Godo" because of a Japanese postcard. It's on that Court Record site, but it seems to be down at the moment; I'll post it later.)—ウルタプ 05:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Never mind, I saw that forum thing. But keep "Godo" anyway.—ウルタプ 05:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tone and cleanup

First, we cannot interpret anything. That isn't our job. We need to remain cool, objective, and above all, encyclopedic. So terms such as "the cool, hot-looking prosecutor" is not encyclopeidc; "the prosecutor" will do just fine. Don't say stuff like what a certain character's likes and dislikes are. Second, WP:WAF. Don't write a character description like a biography. Mention the games and cases in which they appear. Take Godot for instance. It currently doesn't say what game he first appears in, or what case, or how many cases he appears in. hbdragon88 04:23, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

This is article is really bad and I will be cleaning it up myself. First of all, there are way too many spoilers. When you write a character description, write about the character, not the plot. Character descriptions are useless to people that have already played the game and know the plot, so your just ruining the story for people that would use this article. Second, and I'm going to capitalize this because I see too many people doing this, WRITE ABOUT FICTIONAL EVENTS AND CHARACTERS IN PRESENT TENSE. If your going to talk about how Mia Fey was killed in the first game, then write "Mia is killed in the second case of the first Ace Attorney game". You do not write "Mia Fey was murdered by Redd White in the second case". The only time you write somethin in past tense for fiction is if the fiction mentions the even exclusively as being historical. So the event where Phoenix is accused of stealing Edgeworth's money would be discussed past tense, because it is only mentioned in flashbacks. Writing something happened in past tense means it ACTUALLY happened in the real world or it only happened in the game's fictional past. That's why you always see complaints about articles being written In-Universe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.235.160.192 (talk) 20:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
If you remove spoilers, don't use the "we don't spoil" excuse; that no longer flies, and someone will revert on the "we don't censor stuff" basis. Second, this will ALWAYS BE IN-UNIVERSE until we can source some creation information. Always. No question. CR has some great information on what the developers originally wanted to do, but we can't use Court-Records as a source because the webmaster is not a reocgnized authority as she doesn't even use her real name (per WP:SELFPUB). hbdragon88 (talk) 23:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Is this really an encyclopedia standard article??

"Iris / Ayame (あやめ, Ayame?) Iris is Dahlia's twin. After getting involved with, and then chickening out on, a fake kidnapping/robbery scheme plotted by Dahlia..."

lol.. surely there's a better word than chickening out? 69.144.184.243 18:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

*sigh* Yeah, I'm aware that the tone of this article is a bit fluffy and unencyclopedic, though with the influx of edits it's really hard to make edits stick. Come pitch in for the good fight. hbdragon88 22:48, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
not to mention "except the playa-hatas" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.17.174.184 (talk) 02:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Manfred von Karma

Is Manfred von Karma German? He has a typical German name. But is his nationality somewhere mentioned? 91.12.83.99 (talk) 11:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I quite think it is mentionned in the first game, but in "Justice for all" Franziska is clearly described as coming from Germany. I guess this has been modified for the german version of the game. I believe we can assume her father is german as well. Kwyxz (talk) 13:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
But in the Japanese Version of "Justice for all" Franzsika von Karma comes from America. So, you should not overestimate the names. As is known German words (and names) are quite popular in Japan because of their sound. 91.12.122.78 (talk) 15:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comparisons to Rival Schools characters...

Don't you think that's a little too subjective? SuperSonicTH (talk) 16:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I would say so. The biggest probelm would be that without reliable sources any comparasion would be original research. If you do have a reliable source making the comparasion I suggest that you add that before adding. --76.69.169.197 (talk) 21:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Only reason I haven't done anything about it yet is because I never feel comfortable just deleting something because I don't agree with it. But no one else seems to be doing it... SuperSonicTH (talk) 12:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed it. It was clearly OR. --76.71.212.216 (talk) 23:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Furio Tigre, Not Recurring

I have removed Don Tigre in the Recurring Characters section as he's not a recurring chracter and has no direct relation to any of the main characters in the series. Adrian Andrews would be a much better choice but I'll leave it to other people.

[edit] Edgeworth's Father's Name

I have a theory that they named Edgeworth's father "Gregory" as a tribute to Gregory Peck who played defense attorney Atticus Finch in the movie adaption of To Kill a Mockingbird(1962). This might not be the best place to post this but I wasn't sure where else I could try.--Spaced35 (talk) 23:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)