Talk:List of Abbots of Glastonbury
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Should this linked be linked to List of Bishops of Bath and Wells and precursor offices which already includes Diocese of Bath & Glastonbury - or would it be better to add this data to that list?— Rod talk 09:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Is the "Jocelyn of Wells" listed the same as Jocelin of Wells ?— Rod talk 20:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Merge
Jocelin of Wells tried to take over Glastonbury, but he was unsucessful. The only time the two offices of Bishop of Bath and Abbot of Glastonbury overlapped was during his time in office. To quote The Heads of Religious Houses: England & Wales II 1216-1377 under Abbots of Glastonbury about Jocelin:
Jocelin of Wells 1213-1219. Bp [Bishop] of Bath 1206-1242, took the title of Bath and Glastonbury in 1213 and abandoned it in 1219; the royal chancery conceded it to him in Nov. 1214; the papacy never [...] but in 1218-1219 a compromise was reached [...] and William of St. Vigor was el. [elected] abb.[abbot].
That's from page 46.
For that matter, Henry of Blois held Glastonbury alongside being Bishop of Winchester for a long stretch in the 12th century. In neither case are the two offices considered to have merged. The lists need to be separate. Ealdgyth | Talk 20:14, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] ? correct links
Can someone confirm the following from the list are the same as the articles linked to, as names & dates have differences:
- St Benignus 472 & Benignus of Armagh
- Probably not. Benignus of Armagh was an irish chieftan
- Ealdberht 709-719 & Aldberht
- No, dates are all wrong (Aldberht is about 777ish and died in the 780's)
- Ecgfrith 718 & Ecgfrith of Mercia
- No. Ecgfrith of Mercia is a royal prince and died in 796
- Wealhstod 729 & Walchstod
- Almost assuredly not. No secondary source I have links the two. PASE entry for Walchstod doesn't list him as a monk, much less an abbot
- Tunberht 737 & Tunbriht
- No. Tunbriht died in around 850.
- Ælfric & any of those listed at Ælfric
- No, and the current scholarship is that the AELfric that appears in the abbot list is a later insertion, and the current article says that he's probably spurious.
- Ælfweard 975 & Elfward
- No. Heads of Religious Houses doesn't link the two, and that's pretty much the definitive listing of abbots.
- Brihtred (Beorhtred) from 1009 & Bertwald of Ramsbury
- Heads doesn't link them, and PASE entry doesn't either.
- Æthelweard (Aegelweard) 1024–1053 & Elfward
- No, Elfward died in 1044.
- Æthelnoth 1053 & Aethelnoth
- Two different people. St. Aethelnoth of Canterbury died in 1038. The abbot was deposed in 1078, and died sometime after that.
- Thurstan 1077 & Thurstan
- No. Just .. no. Thurstan archbishop of York died in 1140. The abbot Thurstan was a different person entirely (He'll get his own article at some point, he was quite the scandal and caused a ruckus at Glastonbury when he was forced into the house as abbot)
- Herluin 1100 & Herluin de Conteville or one of his sons
- No. Herluin de Conteville was William the Conqueror's stepfather, not a monk. His two sons are Odo of Bayeux and Robert, Count of Mortain. Neither became abbot at Glastonbury.
- Robert of Bath 1223 & Robert of Bath
- Robert of Bath the bishop died in 1166. The abbot died in 1235.
If they are can we link to their existing articles from this list & possibly add a bit about their connections to Glastonbury in their articles?— Rod talk 15:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
- When I filled in the abbot list from 940 to 1377 I double checked for existant articles, and linked to any that existed. Some of these abbots will get articles at some point (Thurstan, Herluin, AEthelnoth, maybe a few others) but I've got a lot on my plate and didn't feel like just creating redlinks for articles that are probably a year off. Thanks for double checking though! Ealdgyth - Talk 15:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for checking all of those - but please tell me I was right to link Richard Whiting (the Blessed Richard Whiting)— Rod talk 16:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
