Talk:List of .hack characters

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[edit] Too Long?

Does this page really need to have separate links for every character in the entire series? Couldn't we condense it into one or two pages? We don't need 100+ pointless pages for this. --CRtwenty 05:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

And most of the character articles haven't been created yet. Especially in the "The World R:2" section. Putting all the articles in one page: it might be too long, but it's worth a try. Mickey0007 (talk) 16:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge character articles

I've proposed to merge Tri-Edge (.hack) into this article. Actually, most .hack character articles that I've come across should be merged here. Individually, they don't meet Wikipedia's notability criteria as found in Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (fiction). Merging the articles will help to prevent deletion. Pagrashtak 15:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Per the above, I have redirected all the character articles I reviewed since not one has asserted any real-world significance. The relevant policy discussion can be accessed at WP:FICT and WT:FICT contains a clear and explicit confirmation of the existing injunction against purely in-universe content. Interested editors should feel free to recreate any of these articles when they have attained and included the kinds of sources needed to substantiate real-world significance and provide a real-world focus. Remember, Wikipedia is not a fan site. There are better venues for fan-driven content than an encyclopedia. Eusebeus (talk) 22:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
"the above" was a request for a merge, not a mass redirect. I even see the phrase "help to prevent deletion". Now all that exist is a list of names, which is hardly informative. Shouldn't some discussion have taken place first, or an AfD even? Shiroi Hane (talk) 02:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
4 months have gone by and nothing has been done to redress those concerns. Feel free to add into the LOC suitable information on the individual characters. Standalone articles are simply not acceptable with the existing information. Eusebeus (talk) 04:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to have to revert you on this, Eusebeus. We need at least some of the content merged over, and it's a bad idea to have characters from all the games and different animes crammed into one page (though there are likely ones that are common enough to go on a general article like this). Merge tags and planning are in order, not blunt redirects. -- Ned Scott 06:23, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Keep in mind, I'm all for moving away from individual articles, but it's this kind of stuff that got us into the arbcom mess. -- Ned Scott 06:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Ned, if I can leave it in your hands, that's fine. You obviously know what the problems are here and these simply cannot remain as standalones, but I defer to your judgment on this wrt to timing. Eusebeus (talk) 13:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I'll do what I can. While I haven't played any of the games, I've seen most if not all of the different anime. -- Ned Scott 04:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Well, you well know our policies and you know that these clearly fail, but I'll defer to your suggestion for improvement for now. But they cannot remain as they are. that's clear. Eusebeus (talk) 04:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plan of action

Here's what I'm thinking. First it needs to be figured out what lists are going to be made. One for .hack//SIGN, .hack//Liminality, Twilight, etc and then maybe a general one for highly shared characters? Then make a sandbox page for each list and do a raw merge of all the content. It's just a lot easier to pick and work at things like that, especially since a lot of us have limited time for individual tasks like this. After the sandbox pages are cleaned up (at least to a reasonable point) we move them in to the article space. Thoughts? -- Ned Scott 04:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The List of .hack//Sign characters already exists, and if it's ok with you, I'll take care of merging the articles of at least the main characters into that list. Kazu-kun (talk) 04:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
That would be fine with me :) I also wouldn't be surprised if we did have enough info on at least some of these characters to warrant independent articles on them. Characters like Kite play a major role in several series. -- Ned Scott 05:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Wow, someone finally got moving on this on I missed it! No one's posted here in a few days—is this still ongoing? Pagrashtak 04:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I'll leave the actual article space edits to Kazu-kun, but I might throw up some temp pages in a sand box for the time being, if only to throw some ideas out there. -- Ned Scott 05:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree with merging some of the shorter articles, like Tri-Edge (.hack), into the character lists, but others such as Rena Kunisaki and Tsukasa (.hack) have quite a bit of information on them. Merging those into a list would mean either removing a lot of information or having a huge messy list. Doesn't seem like a good idea. So my vote is merge the short ones, keep the long ones, and if anyone feels like expanding the short ones, put them back on their own pages. 75.155.19.100 (talk) 05:09, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
If you feel that Rena Kunisaki should have her own article, you should add reliable secondary sources to indicate Wikipedia:Notability. According to Wikipedia:Verifiability, "If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." I haven't looked yet, but if no such sources can be found, the article cannot stand. Pagrashtak 21:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Being one of the main characters of a popular animé/manga series and having an 8KB article isn't enough? Anyway I'm not talking about Rena specifically, there are many characters with enough information that a merge would mean either throwing out that information or having a bloated page. That's not to say I'm opposed to merging at all, but merging everything... it's like merging every Simpsons character into one article vs having pages for characters that only appeared once or twice.
Anyway how do you add sources for facts about an animé character? Not like you can link to the scenes or pages of the book where these things are said. 75.155.19.100 (talk) 20:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
No, it's not enough. The size of the article is irrelevant—I could easily write an 8KB article about myself, but that wouldn't make me notable. Being a main character isn't enough by itself either, as notability is not inherited. Adding sources is easily—you look for significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. If it exists, add them as sources. If it does not exist, Wikipedia shouldn't have an article on it. Pagrashtak 21:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Poke poke? -- Ned Scott 05:00, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Possible splittings

Just throwing around some ideas in my head. Based on the articles that are still split, here's some possible splittings: (note: it's been a while since I've seen any of the anime, and I haven't played the video games before. Also, these splits might be an individual "list of character" type page, or it could be just folded into the parent article, like for AI buster.)

not sure
general
.hack//AI buster
.hack//Sign
.hack//Legend of the Twilight

-- Ned Scott 01:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

And there are other characters that we would mention that are not on the above list, simply because they don't have a dedicated page. -- Ned Scott 01:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)