Talk:Lisp

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The discussion on the so-called "lisp" in Spanish is very good, and makes it clear that it has nothing to do with the speech impediment; so what is it doing in an article on the speech impediment? It should be moved to a more sensible place, either in Spanish language or Castilian 's' or something like that. (Does the phenomenon have a standard name?) --Macrakis 23:20, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes. The phenomenon is called stereotype, and the subject of lisping has very much to do with stereotypes, either real or perceived. - Gilgamesh 07:34, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm interested in the claim that the gay lisp applies not just to "s" but to other coronal consonants as well, but I haven't been able to find any academic references on this topic. Can whoever wrote that provide a source?

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[edit] Origination?

Looking for the origination of the word "LISP" dealing with speech, not computers.

I think you mean etymology. You'll find the online etymology dictionary is a good resource, many dictionaries also have etymology notes too. I'll add it to the article now. Richard001 20:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Churchill

The article says: "Winston Churchill had a slight lisp, which is often incorrectly said to have been a stutter."

However, the article Stuttering writes as follows:

(...) Churchill thought that his own mild stutter added an interesting element to his voice: "Sometimes a slight and not unpleasing stammer or impediment has been of some assistance in securing the attention of the audience…"

A note is provided below:

Churchill: A Study in Oratory. The Churchill Centre. Retrieved on April 5, 2005.

They seem to contrast each other. Since the latter article seems to be backed up better, the sentence in this article should be improved in some way. Adam78 03:15, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ridiculous listcruft

This page is completely ridiculous and needs to be trimmed down significantly. Listing people who have a lisp is completely unencyclopedic, somewhat subjective, and completely inappropriate. I will be removing this list unless anyone can give me a good reason it should be kept. Timbatron 19:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

If you have a good reason why this list should be on this page, please discuss it here. Do not add it again without discussing your justification. Thanks! Timbatron 00:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree here. It was not good per WP:BLP.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 17:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

"Embarrassing handicap?" Why does having a lisp have to be embarrassing?

Also, on the subject above me, I fail to see why it's inappropriate or ridiculous to list some people who have lisps. Lisping isn't obscene or even that uncommon. 204.49.112.250 23:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood me. I didn't mean to say that the subject matter was inappropriate, but that featuring a large, subjective list is not encyclopedic. See Wikipedia:Listcruft. If the list was limited in nature, or less subjective, I wouldn't be quite as opposed. Timbatron 16:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spoken Word

Hi, I have removed the spoken word link as we should be striving to provide clear and easily understandable spoken versions of articles and not reading them in the style of each article (eg. we wouldn't read articles about historical events in Middle English, or articles about hiccups with someone hiccupping in it).-Localzuk(talk) 20:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I have re-removed the file mentioned above as it is obvious from the editors other upload of an audio file and from my working in an environment where there are numerous people suffering with this impediment that he does not suffer from a lisp and is in fact putting it on.-Localzuk(talk) 21:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Gay lisp to here?

It has been proposed to merge Gay lisp to here.[1] I think that is not a good idea. As the first sentence of Gay lisp states: A gay lisp is actually not a lisp. That article is about stereotypical affected behaviour, not about a speech impediment. The article is also longer than this one, and would come to dominate it.  --Lambiam 19:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Don't merge them; they're completely different topics in my mind, and both can and should be real articles. Zakolantern 17:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Whistling S

The term "sigmatism" redirects to this article, but this New York Times column uses the term to refer specifically to the phenomenon of a "whistling S," a condition whereby speakers inadvertently produce a whistling noise when pronouncing sibilants.

Can someone clarify this? Does the whistling S phenomenon fall under the lisp category? While I see the sigmatism is a historical term for lisp, is it possible that the term is now used specifically to refer to the whistling S? -VJ 16:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Odd word

So the most common form of a lisp is to be unable to pronounce the sound of "s" ... I supose it would be kind of hard to explain to somebody that you have a lisp then, wouldn't it?--Daniel Berwick (talk) 06:46, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] So what causes it?

This article discusses how a person generates a lisp. It does not discuss what causes the person to. Is it psychological? Poor formation of the tongue? The teeth? Is it more common among certain races? Is a socialization issue? What's the deal?

I'm sitting in a relatively lisp-rich environment, and I'm wondering this very thing at the moment. That suggests that something about this environment either 1. attracts people with a lisp, 2. generates a lisp. Schwin47 (talk)

I remember the article having a list of famous people with lisps, where did it go?

Mike Tyson Chris Eubanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.65.21 (talk) 18:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)