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(from Bopter) Glentamara is correct about POV. I had only created the 'No' Campaign items when I first submitted the artlcle, should have continued to work in Preview mode for longer in order to start with fair balance. Have added many 'Yes' campaign references and will be adding more.

Yes, I understand. I have now removed the POV-template. --Glentamara (talk) 13:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Cheers. --Bopter (talk)13:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

To be honest I am not sure that this page is appropriate for Wikipedia at all- it would be relevant to have an article on the history and explaining the significance of Irish ratification here maybe (as the only state to have a referendum) but I don't think it appropriate to have this sort of "he said she said" arguments from either side. Especially given the woeful misrepresentations from the no side, but it's inappropriate to source the "yes" arguments from a party lobbying for a yes either; if this sort of article is done at all it should be sourcing from neutral sources such as the document itself or the Referendum Commission (e.g. www.lisbontreaty2008.ie - which is a neutral, and informative, site.) -- Blorg (talk) 22:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I think this article should be deleted on the grounds that is it inappropriate. The creator of this article states that: There is confusion in Ireland over whether this will be good for the country or otherwise, and an excess of information from many extreme points of view is adding to this. This article has been created in order to invite an impartial combination of sources into a brief summary to help the general public.. This is the job of the Referendum Commission not Wikipedia. Wikipedia is there to a factual articles on the Lisbon Treaty / Referendum / Ratification not help the general public make up their minds on which way to vote. Also, the article has phrases like: The Treaty erodes neutrality by drawing us into a common defense and obliging us to increase military spending, us and we in a wikipedia article?! Wikipedia in not a blog or a forum for discussion. Finally, the points in the article about the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty are not unique to Ireland and will affect the whole of the EU if the treaty is ratified. Snappy56 (talk) 21:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WHY IS THIS SHIT STILL HERE?

The whole article is muck

I agree, this is a discussion rather than an article, better suited to forums than Wikipedia. It's highly unprofessional and completely outside of what Wikipedia's for. --143.239.186.69 (talk) 14:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nominated for Deletion

This article has been nominated for deletion. Please discuss it at the article's entry. Do not remove the AfD template until the discusion has been closed. Snappy56 (talk) 17:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Personally I disagree with this view. I have spent the last few months studying the Lisbon Treaty at university and I think this article gives an acceptably balanced and reasoned overview of the debate as to whether the Irish public should vote yes or no in the referendum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.118.89.18 (talk) 20:10, 11 June 2008 (UTC)