Talk:Lipogram

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Should this be written so oddly? I saw the point of writing it like this but Wikipedia isn't here to amuse. :) r3m0t 23:13, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I think its up for debate as to whether wikipedia is here to amuse, but the first paragraph is very informative, I like it and it should be kept, possibly clearly labeled. I do think the last paragraph above the line is barely informative, and could be done away with.Hyacinth 23:22, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Is there a way to include a reference to lipography? If one searches for lipography nothing comes up... Dnszero 19:32, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The old version without "e-injections" is below:

A lipogram is a kind of writing with constraints consisting of writing full paragraphs or books in which a particular symbol, such as that fifth symbol in talks in which it is most common, is missing. An author must submit to an awful handicap, allowing only consonants and A, I, O, and U; this is ordinarily a quorum of six fours and two.

This is a trivial task for uncommon symbols such as Z, W, or X, but it calls for much thought if you must avoid a common symbol. Writing without using common glyphs is impractical in many ways, as an author must omit many ordinary words. Many common words such as ordinary pronouns and action words must not occur in a lipogrammatist's manuscripts and drafts. Our author must omit a big part of his dictionary, which is difficult in its own right. In idioms of that South British lingo familiar to Milton (not Scottish, nor Irish, nor Cymric, but that of Gringos, most Canadians, Australians also, and in addition that of austral islands not too far away from Oz), omission of that symbol which follows D, with F following on in its own turn, is most difficult; tough, you might say, and all would concur.

Alas, for lack of application, lipogrammatists can slip up and with what upshot? Inclusion of that symbol you had sought to avoid. Oh my, my, such a pity. A shambolic lipogram! Sham! So that you do not miss my point: all of this stuff and rubbish was a Q-lipogram. But, no, it isn't! What is still missing is that symbol twixt I and K! But is it just that symbol? Oh, no! A slip up! This is as difficult as writing a dictionary! My typing digits, in pain, must follow my brain's commands, and no slip-ups must occur if I want to do this right!

I'll add a note in the article that this is here. r3m0t 19:18, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I've removed the link to the talk page from the actual article, on the basis of Wikipedia:Avoid self-references. --OpenToppedBus 11:08, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

Is The Raven actually a lipogram or does it just happen not to have any Zs in it by chance? Is there any evidence indicating it was deliberate? 24.128.56.150 06:46, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to ask the same question. If no source attesting to the fact that Poe deliberately avoided the letter "Z," then it should be deleted; "Z" is not a common letter at any rate. Impaciente 03:14, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Should this include the book "Sans E"? I have heard things about this, but cannot track it down... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.58.50.60 (talk • contribs) 15 January 2006

[edit] Simpsons quote

Is the simpsons quote really about lipography? It could be just be that Lenny has a diminutive intelligence, therefore, couldn't remember the word 'worker' or 'employee'.

Hey, It could be the case. Zero R 07:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Monosyllablic reductions

I added links to versions of Pilgrim's Progress and Robinson Crusoe "in words of one syllable" as being of interest perhaps. Is there a name for this form? Is there a better place to put them? 88888 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88888 (talk • contribs) 17:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)