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[edit] Hunting: NOT JUST LIONESSES

I'm sorry but the section about hunting seemed a little to sexist. I know female lions do a lot of hunting, but so do male lions when they are bachelors and also help when the female lions can't take down big prey. Wikipedia is NOT a place for sexism or feminism. So I would like it if we gave a little more aknowledgement to male lions, who are also intelligent and powerful hunters. Thank YouSoundBlast (talk) 17:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I just wanted to say to the previous editor, chill. Yes nomadic lions do hunt. But we don't need to get way offended cus someone left that out. Kron650 (talk) 21:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC) kron650 16:59 March 3rd 2008

Uhm, it depends on if you put quality over quantitiy. Yes, female lions do most of the work. Nevertheless male lions do the hard thing, they do the job when it is not so easy. Then comes the cavalry. User SoundBlast is right about what he said. --Mustafa Mustamann (talk) 01:12, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gender roles and evolution

Quote: "Mane length signals fighting success and only appears to influence male-male assessment." Source: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/297/5585/1339 It is obvious that because of the evolutionary advantage of a mane in fightings, only male lions have developed a mane as females do have to hunt rather than to fight. It is also written in the article: "They are not encumbered by the heavy and conspicuous mane which causes overheating during exertion." This proves also the evolutionary aspect in the difference between the genders about the mane. --Mustafa Mustamann (talk) 01:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Habitat: caves?

Do any modern lions inhabit caves? Should be mentioned, imo. --Jan 82.208.2.214 (talk) 16:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC)



Is the Lion known as the lazy cat and just not doing it's job?

[edit] Lion vs lioness

The male lion is twice as strong as the lioness, just look at his much bigger head and see how lionesses regularly gets defeated by hyenas when you watch the fightings between lionesses and hyenas on Youtube. But HE is the hyena killer, killing the matriarch hyena not out of hunger, not out of any needs but because he is the natural born hyena killer on his mission. Hyenas are a threat to his lionesses and to his cubs, but he makes the hyenas pay dearly! Praise him as he has all the might, the power and the beauty on earth. ;-) He, the hyena killer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Oel79kS4Iw&feature=related --Tubesship (talk) 06:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Opinions

Lions are cool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.64.6.122 (talk) 19:15, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Concur. ThisIsMyWikipediaName (talk) 21:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Strength, Reflexes, Skin Toughness, Swimming

A few things I'm wondering about lions that I think would be interesting to have in the article.. how strong are they? That could go in the physical characteristics section. Also what are their reflexes like? How tough is their skin? It seems like they have weaker skin than say a hippo. How well can they swim? Any answers to any of these questions would be interesting. Cheers. Ben 2082 (talk) 07:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Map

Most important experts consider this animal to be the King of The Jungle Could someone include a map showing the distribution of lions in Asia? It would be cool for the article. Eklipse (talk) 12:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I was just going to say the same thing. The Africa-only map is a bit misleading. 142.177.158.46 (talk) 23:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bering land bridge

The following statement appeared in the lead:

"[Lions] were found in most of Africa, much of Eurasia from western Europe to India, the Bering land bridge and, in the Americas, from the Yukon to Peru."

I can find no evidence that lions were found "in... the Bering land bridge." There is "some evidence of faunal exchange between North America and Asia. Elements of a North American mammalian fauna from about 100 MYA resemble Asian taxa, suggesting a dispersal event at about that time." [1]. It is believed that mammals came across the land bridge. There is abundant evidence that lions inhabited North America (see American lion, Panthera leo vereshchagini). But there is no evidence that they lived in the land bridge. It is believed that they crossed the bridge into NA.

So, without a citation that says that they "lived in Beringia" (which is doubtful, because the bridge is under water), we need to modify that statement. For now, I've taken out the words "the Bering land bridge." The statement could be re-written to say: "There is abundant fossil evidence of lions in North America and it is believed that they crossed via the Bering land bridge..." However, that is cumbersome verbiage for a lead and I think it is much simpler to just leave it out. A statement along these lines could be added to the "Taxonomy and evolution" section, however. Sunray (talk) 15:20, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

We call that hairsplitting! They must have occured in beringia. But I think it is fine, better too correct than uncorrect! But you should add the informattion, that they once occured far to the northeast in Eurasia, otherwise one might think the lions range reached only to india.--Altaileopard (talk) 14:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stamina

I'm thinking of adding a small section in the "Hunting" category about the level of stamina of the lion, explaining why they can only really hunt in short bursts rather than long chases. For instance, a male lion's heart takes up 0.45% of his total body weight, and a lioness's heart is 0.57% of her body weight, but a hyena's heart takes up something close to 10%, apparently, which seems a bit extreme...the statistic is from a reliable source though, not some random site on the web. Is this too much detail, do you think? Alphard08 (talk) 08:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good as long as it is referenced and the material is discussed. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

'Tis done! Alphard08 (talk) 11:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reproduction and life cycle

I've been adding a fair bit of content to tihs section recently. I definitely felt that there needed to be a bit more information about the life of cubs within the pride. Also, I think there should be some more information about what happens to aging lions, both male and female, how they are tolerated by their younger and fitter pride mates, etc...

However, I feel that the line between life cycle information and group organization may be getting a bit fuzzy...for instance, the stuff I wrote about subadult lions being evicted from the pride. It is part of the life cycle of some lions, but it could also be covered by the group organization section. I just noticed that, although female nomads are mentioned in this section, there was nothing specific about how females may be evicted, so I added that in the life cycle section. What do you think? Should this be relegated to a different section? Alphard08 (talk) 12:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)