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[edit] Assessment system for WikiProject Kentucky

If your offer is still open to help WikiProject Kentucky develop an assessment system, I'm ready to get started when you are. Let me know. Acdixon 15:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for picking up where I left off on the categories. I had to stop and go to church this morning. What's the next step? I've never edited a template before, so I'm likely to need lots of help with that. Perhaps I'll begin soliciting input from project members regarding an assessment rubric. Also, we have a category called "WikiProject Kentucky." Is that to be redundant with the "WikiProject Kentucky articles" category? Acdixon 01:53, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese dab

Hi, fellow adopter! I've fixed about half of the recent buildup to Japanese dab page links, but there are still about 75 left. I haven't seen you around WP:DAB lately, but I wonder if you could help me finish the ones that remain. Dekimasu 11:15, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

As an aside, I certainly agree with your idea that after a certain period of time, unattended stubs should be seen for what they are - topics that lack the importance and/or notability to be turned into robust articles. I don't consider myself a deletionist, but I do consider myself an exclusionist, and your suggestion is an extension of that theory to the level of the article itself. Please let me know if you ever need input or are involved in interesting discussions on the matter. Dekimasu 11:22, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Safe Wiki

See Safe behaviours

[edit] Just to let you know

I'm afraid I won't be helping out with the rework of the ethnic groups WikiProject. Best of luck. - Jmabel | Talk 18:45, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naruwan

Yeah! I worked this out with Paul Li. It is not in the Amis lexicon as a word. Check the Amis dictionary... it is not there, but "Naluwan" is a singing vocalization from many groups on Taiwan according. I think you can find reference to the pan-aboriginal movement's use of "Naluwan" in Taiwan: A New History, The Austronesian Encounter, and Taiwan in the Modern World... I'll go dig up page numbers when I get back there.

Here's a copy of the email exchange I had with Dr. Li on the matter.Maowang 02:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

12-10-2005

> "Dear Mr. Li, > > I am writing a short essay on the symbolic use of the indigenous > Taiwanese in the current nation building project and I would like to > examine the recent use of "Naruwan/Naluwan" by the tourism bureau. > According to the Government Information Office, Naruwan means > "Welcome" in Amis. I am aware of "Naruwan/Naluwan" being used as a > vocalization in Taiwanese indigenous music and I was wondering if > you could clarify what "Naruwan/Naluwan" actually means?


I'm sorry, but I don't know what "naruwan" means. I've asked some Amis friends about it, and they don't know also. It's not listed in the Amis Dictionary either. It could be a word recently invented by someone." --Paul Li "

Maowang 02:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, this was all done in reference for an unpublished paper I wrote last year called "Return to Naruwan" about the "invention" of "authentic" indigenous cultures for political purposes.


Here's what the GIO had to say:

Dear Mr. ****, Thank you for your e-mail dated Nov. 1, 2005, concerning Taiwan's tourism welcome slogan. The welcome slogan, "Naruwan, Welcome to Taiwan," was designed by the Tourism Bureau and was selected by the result of an online vote in Oct. 2003. "Naruwan" is an Amis aboriginal word meaning "welcome" or "hello". We are promoting this as the greeting used by first-line tourism personnel when welcoming foreign visitors, much as "Aloha" is used in Hawaii. Please feel free to contact us if you have further questions.

Sincerely yours,

Tourism Bureau Ministry of Transportation and Communications Republic of China

Dear Mr.****,

Thank you for your e-mail dated Nov. 9, 2005, concerning Taiwan's tourism welcome slogan. According to the Cabinet-level Council of Indigenous Peoples, “Naruwan” was initially a meaningless word in the ancient Amis dialect. Overtime it became a word of greeting and welcome. Please feel free to contact us if you have further questions.


Sincerely yours, Tourism Bureau Ministry of Transportation and Communications Republic of China

Maowang 23:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I was just sharing. I am sitting down today to draft a better outline of the page, a lot of things are scattered around in different parts I'll send you an outline when I have it figured out. I also have some non-copyrighted pictures. Maowang 23:56, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NFL playoffs (reply)

Hi. I hope you are still active despite the peculiar way you added and then removed yourself from the list of participants on the Good Article WikiProject...?

I would like someone to take a loog at NFL_playoffs#Current_playoff_system. I consider myself qualified to judge the standard of an article compared to most GA criteras, but I feel unsure about a "level of comprehensibility ". With this article, I feel particularly confused about NFL_playoffs#Current_playoff_system. As per my comments to WP:GA/R. What do you think?

Fred-Chess 18:42, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment system

Sorry to have dropped off the map shortly after Christmas. Things got crazier than I expected. Is there any more work to be done on WikiProject Kentucky's assessment system? If so, how can I help? Acdixon 16:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

This table ought to be quite helpful in focusing the project's efforts. Hopefully, we'll generate some new interest. We lost most of our regular contributors to descendants WikiProject Louisville, WikiProject Bluegrass Region, and WikiProject KYOVA Region. Typical of people in the triangle, they think the rest of Kentucky doesn't matter. You mentioned that you lived in my area when you were small; are you still close enough to be interested in editing for WikiProject Kentucky? Acdixon 14:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Help with The Everly Brothers article would be great... whenever you get time. Thanks again for the help. Acdixon 15:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] taiwanese aborigines in china

I think I brought this up a while back, about making a section on this topic. It's just I was busy in real life and forgot about it, I'm going to post up the section in the next 2 days, feel free to make changes. Abstrakt 06:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I put up information for this section yet User:Maowang deleted it, so I'm guessing that this section is not needed or something? Abstrakt 06:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

The Republic of China (ROC) Barnstar of National Merit 
If I were a Buddhist, I'd refer to this as borrowing flowers to offer to the Buddha -- but since I'm not, I won't do that. :-) In any case, you are awarded this barnstar for your contributions. --Nlu (talk) 23:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think you should remove "National" -- these Barnstars are called the way they are because that's what they are. I think removing "National" in this case is actually POV and puts ROC at a lower stature than PRC, which would not be proper. --Nlu (talk) 16:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: BoNM for WikiProject Sweden?

Sounds like a good idea. If you want to create one, be my guest. / Fred-Chess 17:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Done, see {{BoNM-Sweden}} . Am cutting back my Wikipedia participation to nearly zero for an extended period.It will be at least 6 months before I take it up seriously again. I may bump into you from time to time before then, but it's a bit unlikely. Good luck with all your projects! --Ling.Nut 20:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA nominations

Hi, you posted a number of articles for GA consideration, but you need to finish the process by adding the appropriate template to their talk pages. FWIW, I would probably pass the Berber people one to GA status, so I think you've picked very good ones. When the template is included, I will go through it more thoroughly and either pass it or hold it with some appropriate suggestions to get it fast tracked. +Fenevad 21:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your (hopefully temporary) absence

Gidday Ling.Nut, thanks for the msg on my talk page (I replied there, but thought it pertinent to reply here also). Your absence will be sorely felt around here. Don't worry, we'll try to keep WP:ENLANG ticking over, until you (hopefully) return. Many thanks for all of your great and enterprising work around here, and the best of luck for your studies and PhD - presumably in a few years' time we'll be able to reference articles with papers bylined with your moniker (any ideas what your dissertation will cover?) Take care, and best wishes for your future endeavours- kind regards, --cjllw | TALK 01:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Same here, Ling.Nut. We didn't get around to having a great deal of interaction on Wikipedia (unfortunately), but your name certainly did not go unnoticed, even though I have only been around here for a short period myself. I have been in the position myself of starting an important project and then having to withdraw and leave it in the hands of others, only hoping that support will continue and it will be a success eventually. I know it's painful! I'm sure CJLL, myself and others will do all we can to step in the breach and carry on with the good work you've started. Best wishes and good luck, Alan --A R King 08:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Checking in to express my hope to see you back here once in awhile checking in especially on the WP:ENLANG project. You will be missed. Good luck.Maunus 11:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

(undent) I have a few things to say, and they are indirectly connected. I'm just gonna put everything here on my talk page. If others like my idea, you can tell each other.. :-)

First, about me. Thanks for all your words of encouragement. I will definitely be checking my messages every day or perhaps every other day. I am simply unable to dedicate blocks of time to Wikipedia. I will try to keep up with what's going on. In theory, I could occasionally do some small one-off tasks that take only 30 minutes or so to accomplish — but offhand I can't think of any tasks that fit that description.

As for my dissertation, my heart tells me to do something in Formosan languages, but my head tells me to do something quicker & easier so I can get a job as soon as possible. "Quicker and easier" would probably mean something in English language learning and teaching or maybe Second language acquisition.

I have an idea. The idea is basically "resource sharing." The biggest drawback is that it would be half off-wiki and half on-wiki. Before I decided to study every day for prelims, I had already gathered a few documents about Kohanga reo and Punana leo. I wonder if it would be worthwhile for people in WP:ENLANG and WP:MESO to share a Yahoo Briefcase (internet storage) amongst ourselves. Within the briefcase would be folders for each article that we are working on (e.g., a folder for Kohanga reo, one for Punana leo, one for Misantla Totonac language, etc.. Each and every folder would contain electronic documents to be used as resources for that article, plus a Word document with a table of contents (columns for document name, full reference in APA format, uploader's name, upload date..). We could share the password amongst ourselves via email (assuming everyone has Wikipedia email set up, which you should ;-) ). Another drawback is that it would be a bit clubbish. If vandals got the password, they could (fill in the blank).

A second aspect of the idea would be a "Document request page." The document request page would be in someone's user space; not as a subpage of either project. Each project, however, would have a link to that page on their "resources" subpage. Then anyone who wants documents for any article could put in a request, and we could upload any we have access to.

If others like this idea, we can set it up fairly quickly and easily. let me know..

Thanks again! --Ling.Nut 16:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Algonquian

Hi, LingNut. I know you say you aren't checking this page, but since you did post to Ishwar's talk page, I figured you might be cheating. Anyway, I tried to semi-answer your question over there, just so you know. Also, the westernmost Algonquian languages are Cheyenne in Montana; Blackfoot, also in Montana, as well as Alberta; and Arapaho and Atsina, in Wyoming. I'm not positive of the languages' historical ranges, though, and the situation is obviously more complicated today with the reservation and reserve systems not necessarily being in the homeland of the people. There's also been relatively recent westward expansion of some other Algonquian-speaking groups, e.g., the Salteaux (Plains Ojibwe) moved westward across Canada in historical times. --Miskwito 07:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Wait, what about Miami-Illinois? What were you responding to? Sorry. --Miskwito 21:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh. Hah! Thanks. I'll let you know if I ever have a specific question or anything (out of curiosity, who's the professor? There aren't too many specialists on Miami-Illinois--or is he just a member of the Miami tribe, and not necessarily a linguist?) --Miskwito 22:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good luck

Hey Ling.Nut - best of luck for your exams, sure all will go well. Here's a linguist's star in anticipation...cheers, cjllw02:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey Ling.Nut - best of luck for your exams, sure all will go well. Here's a linguist's star in anticipation...cheers, cjllw02:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA/R of Taiwanese Aborigines

I have submitted a defense of my review at GA/R. Please note that I do agree that the article probably meets Good Article Criteria now but the article at the time of my review did not meet standards. Good job on improving the article, it looks ready. However, GA/R is a place to request a re-evaluation of a review where you disagree with the conclusions of a reviewer, not a place to renominate an article after substancial improvements have been made. If you want to renominate the article, do so at WP:GAC. It does look great, and good job! --Jayron32|talk|contribs 01:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

  • PS you might want to change your user page and talk page banners, since it appears you are back and working at wikipedia. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 01:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, no problem. Easy mistake to make. I still recommend re-nominating it at GAC. My watchlist has some other stuff of higher priority right now, but if you would like I will do the review again (especially since I did the last two) or, if you prefer we can leave it to another reviewer for a fresh set of eyes. Your choice. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 01:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] one template sets a page-level variable...

Hi,

Is there an easy way for one template to set a page-level variable for other templates to read...?

Thanks, --Ling.Nut 15:13, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Not to my knowledge. --Ligulem 16:11, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ref

I thought the Notes section is a list of references too.--Jerrypp772000 20:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, I didn't get how to cite sources, that's why. So, one more question: Would footnotes still be considered as references?--Jerrypp772000 22:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I just found it! A footnote is a note placed at the bottom of a page of a document to comment on a part of the main text, or to provide a reference for it, or both.--Jerrypp772000 22:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] User:Ling.Nut/Taiwanese people

I think we should make it:

I'd like to have a page to edit to show how I intended to clean up the article so we can see a side-by-side comparison with the current article.

If Maowang planned on cleaning up the article as well, then I'd like to see how he'd fix it. If not, both you and Maowang can point out any problems with my edits and we can work together on the proposed clean up article to replace the current version with. — Nrtm81 08:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll have to do my clean up next week.Maowang 00:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Take your time. Wow, this article is very complicated. Your intro only mentions Taiwan. What about Penghu, Lanyu, Hsiao Liuchiu, Green Island, and Orchid Island. The last one for example should be part of the Batanes (Philippines). The island and people are Ivatans split between ROC and Philippines when the Dutch ousted the Spanish from Taiwan. Would the inhabitants of these lesser islands be considered Taiwanese too? or just dismissed as aborigines? Hence the reason I chose to call all people under ROC jurisdication as Taiwanese (not nationality but based on geography), especially since 99% of the population and territory of ROC is Taiwan island alone. — Nrtm81 18:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I opened a few books on the subject and...halfway there. The ROC as Taiwanese is just not being supported by anyone in the "identity" field. The Taiwanese as immagined community is in just about every book on the subject with some notes to Earnest Gellar. I'm trying to supply all the source material I can, so that I can be as careful and as accurate as possible. I guess my neighbor, who is on the same wifi connection left an angry message on the discussion. Sorry about that.Maowang 15:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

What? I haven't done anything yet...Maowang 06:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

To Ling.Nut: and another thing, it's one big headache. :P — Nrtm81 20:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: recommend copyeditor(s)?

Not sure, off the top of my head. Have you tried asking WP:LOCE? Kirill Lokshin 23:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)