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Metalcore As A Genre

Since their style of music inquires hardcore punk elements and heavy metal riffs, wouldn't they also be considered Metalcore? I know i suck dick and they don't seem like it, but that is kind of what they are; you know what i mean? --RaikiriChidori 22:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Trademark vs copyright

I have changed the word "copyright" to "trademark" in the paragraph describing the conflict over the band's name with Hybrid of the UK. A band's name is not a copyright, it's a trademark and there is a distinct legal difference. 01/06/07 1:42am (EST) user: SonicSpike

2 Pages for the next album

why are there 2 different articles for the upcoming album? T and T and Linkin Park's third studio album. The both have the exact same information, but wouldn't it be better off using the Linkin Park's third studio album page rather than the other one, and wait until the complete album title is announced, then move it to a page with the complete title?--R-Tiztik 05:44, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Reanimation DVD-Audio

I noticed this on Amazon.com: [1] and it reminded me that I remember reading that Linkin Park was going to give LPU members a DVD-Audio version of Reanimation back in the day but since I've never been a member I don't know if they ever did. That was back in 2002 before Dual Discs were even out so I don't know where that cd on Amazon is coming from.

Can anyone shed some light on this issue? It isn't listed on the discography and I didn't want to make any changes until I knew some more info about it. 68.68.96.79 22:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

This disc was released to the public and it was released by WB recordings, if I recall correctly I bought it at Best Buy. I'm adding it to the discography. If there is some reason that I shouldn't that I'm not aware of, which is very likely, please remove it but whoever takes the time to remove it please add a section to the talk page that a DVD section needs to be created. It is a official Warner Brothers Recordings release and it does contain different versions (5.1 surround) of all the songs, and three (I think) videos.

QWERTY

The initial paragraph about them playing the song at summer sonic was enough. There is was no need for that additional paragraph which stated the exact same thing in different words so I removed it.

Does anyone else feel that providing a link to hear an unauthorized bootleg of a song that is probably in violation of some copyright is something that shouldn't be in the article? And I don't think that is really Joe's myspace page since everything is said in the 3rd person. 68.68.96.79 01:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Since it is a bootleg and not officially released by LP, I think if the song has to be there, a clip would be okay. But not the entire song, nor a link to one. If someone wants it bad enough I'm sure they can find it. Also, there was a new paragraph at the end of the recent events section about an interview with MTV.com and the debut of QWERTY. This was unnecessary, as the information had already been covered in an earlier paragraph. So, I removed it and added the interview with MTV.com as another confirmation on a 2007 release of the new album. Chouonsoku 06:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Can someone give me the URL to the song? I don't care what copyright violations there are, just give it if you have it, 'cause I wanted to listen to it. You guys deleted it, though. 63.227.55.121 21:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Just go on youtube and search for "qwerty".

My December

In the article someone had written that "The song was not featured on Hybrid Theory and is often mistaken as a B-side." My December is in fact a B side on the single for One Step Closer [2]. and on some international versions of the album [3]

I changed that line to reflect that.

Also I didn't change it but I've never read anywhere that just Mike wrote My December or that he wrote it just for that concert. Can anyone confirm or deny that claim?

I'm not sure if only Mike wrote the song but My December was created exclusively for KROQ's Slim Santa CD. --SayCheese 22:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

My December was written solely by Mike Shinoda AFTER Hybrid Theory was released. Therefore, it cannot be considered a B-Side. Hello2112 23:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Its hard to say exactly at the same time at the rest of Hybrid Theory, it was on the JP version of the disc, and on CD2 of a sepcial re-release of the album. It was also the second LPU CD release.

Best selling act of the 21st century?

That claim is ridiculous with no source whatsoever. They are definitely amongst the best selling artists, but artists such as Eminem and Britney Spears have more than likely sold more the new century than Linkin Park. Simple math by adding their album sales up and comparing them to LP's sales would verify that.

I really believe that line should be removed from the opening and I will do so now, unless a source is credited. As of right now it's an unverifiable and in my opinion exaggerated claim.

  • It's a fairly ridiculous claim. You're right to remove it. Until someone finds a source (which they probably won't), we should take it out the article. --[kazikame] 19:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually they are the best selling debut act of the 21st Century, All of the examples you put out had released albums before the year 2000. So while the claim is a little off it is a valid statement

  • Unless you can find a reliable link proving that, it can't go in the article. --[kazikame] 12:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. Initially it was simply written as the best seling act of the 21st century -not debut act- now suddenly we're making it debut act? Eminem etc have sold far more comultatively worldwide, and as far as debut artists goes that would be a toss up among artists such as 50 cent, LP, and others. Without a relaible source that that particular artist is LP, you aren't editing that into the article.Editor18 02:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Breaking The Habit Music Video - 'Classical Animation'??

BtH music video was an Anime/Manga video, that's the only correct description! The Breaking the Habit music video is described as classical animation. I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean, but I don't think it is correct. The BtH video animation was animated by GONZO (ermm ... just for the record ... its Nakawaza not gonzo. it used to say it on linkinpark.com) and the director was the guy who directed the anime scene in Kill Bill Volume 1 (his name escapes my mind). I believe anime would be a more appropriate catagory to list it as (especially seeing as that's what the band wanted the video to be and the fact it was made by an anime production studio). 68.254.114.172 23:05, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It was originally listed as hand-drawn animation which didn't have an article. I figured whoever wrote that meant classical animation, which does have an article, so I changed it. I haven't actually seen the video, so feel free to change it to say anime. PMC 23:59, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Breaking The Habit is not easy to classify - it is not traditional animation, its too "jumpy" and "messy" for that (bad words, best I can think of though. Its not Anime either though, although this is based on my blinkered, western view of anime (blue hair, big eyes, like Pokemon). Classical Animation is a bad term for it, but its probably closest. Its a good video none the less Kiand 16:24, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I managed to take a look at the video and based on what I know of proper anime (not westernized Yu-Gi-Oh crap, I mean anime like Akira and Ghost in the Shell) and what the band's said about the vid, I think anime is an appropriate category for it. PMC 22:20, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Based on the official definintion of Anime, which I will not go into here, due to space, the BTH music video is indeed anime. The style may not be the same as most other, more common anime, but it is anime regardless. Cronal Dominus 19:33, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

- Anime = Japanese animation. Therefore, if the video was made in Japan, it's anime. If not, it's anime-style.

THANK YOU. Finally, someone gets it.

LIИKIИ PARK

Should it also be noted that they write their name with the russian letter, "и" (i) in substitute for the Latin letter "n" (н)?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.134.176.82 (talk • contribs) .

  • Go for it, yeah. Just maybe note that most people write it as Linkin Park anyway. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 00:48, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Um, actually Linkin Park only wrote their name with the Cyrrilic "i" on Hybrid Theory. Meteora and Reanimation were LINKIN PARK. However I do think that the cyrrilic "i" is cooler.

According to the pictures in the article They did write their name as "LIИKIИ PARK" in Reanimation too, and even Colision Course with Jay Z.--Greasysteve13 05:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Maybe even a LiиKiи PARK, which is just plain super-hot. And EVERYONE who's ANYONE has seen the LP with the backwards P.
While I have always seen LP with the backwards P in some of their logos, I do not think we should have the band's name in Cyrillic. BTW, please try not to post email addresses on here. Zach (Sound Off) 02:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Splitting the DNA -REJECTED-

Should Splitting the DNA be kept in the discography listing as a bootleg CD? I think it's good to have a record of, since it's been created. Also, if Splitting the DNA is bootleg, then where were did the demo songs on the CD such as Esaul and Superxero come from?

If Splitting the DNA was listed as a bootleg then we would have to list all of the Linkin Park bootleg CDs which would be a waste of time. It is not an official CD released by Warner Brothers which means it has no importance to Wikipedia. SayCheese 16:16, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
But bootlegs aren't official - they shouldn't be on the page at all. They're not listed for any other band, at all. --Kiand 16:52, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
But does the fact that they're unoficcial mean that they don't exist whatsoever, such as Splitting the DNA and Las Vegas Theory? Of course not. I think that some of the most important ones (excluding Las Vegas Theory) should be at least noted. --Daunrealist 22:29, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
That's the thing, bootlegs are not important and is why they should not be on Wikipedia. If you think it is dire for everyone to know, make a website about it. --SayCheese 07:57, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
(resetting indent) but how do you define important with a bootleg - its just a scalper trying to make money off someone elses work. ALL bands have bootlegs, none of them are important enough to be listed on their pages. Even with a band with surprisingly little original material (two albums, more reintrepretations than tracks), no bootleg is notable or important enough to be listed. For an act like the Travelling Wilburys (where you can't get their official releases legally) it MIGHT be worth mentioning. But not a recording, touring, active act with legally available releases. --Kiand 22:33, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Demos

Where did the following songs come from?

  • Rhinestone (Forgotten Demo)
  • Crawling (Demo)
  • The Untitled (In The End Demo)
  • Papercut (Hell Version)
  • Part Of Me (Demo)


Papercut (Hell Remix) is not an official song and was on a CD full of remixes. It's sold on Amazon. SayCheese 29 June 2005 15:49 (UTC)

Rhinestone, Untitled, Crawling and Part Of Me Demo's are all on a CD released by the band to give out to record labels, the CD is known as The Internal Review Sampler. (Manderf 16:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)) Where did this CD come from?

This is a Bootleg CD


Ok, but where did the demos come from? how were they 'acquired' from the studio? --daunrealist 29 June 2005 21:15 (UTC)

The same way any other stuff is "acquired" - studio staff members leak them out. Simple as that. Thats how entire albums get on the web before release so often these days. They -are not- on official releases. --Kiand 29 June 2005 21:20 (UTC)


Ok, sorry guys, but I have 3 more questions.
  • What was on the CD "Project Revolution?"
  • What was on the CD "LPU 2.0?"
  • Is Linkin Park Underground V2.5 legit?

--daunrealist 04:59, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

There is no Projekt Revolution CD although websites have had it listed for awhile.

Manderf 20:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC)Actually there is a Projekt Revolution CD, although it is only a sampler and very hard to obtain the track listing is: -

1. Dirtier than the next - No Warning
2. Under a killing moon - Thrice
3. Ground Zero - Mash Out Posse
4. Smart - Helmet
5. The heart of polka is still beating - Story of the year
6. Breaking The Habit (Live) - Linkin Park                       
7. For the workforce, drowning - Thursday
8. My Everything - Goldfinger
9. Shoot Out - Jadakiss
10. Did my time (live at CBGB's) - Korn
11. Breakdown - In 
12. Look What Happened - Less Than Jake
13. Be This Way - Ghost Face
14. Juneau - Funeral For a Friend
15. Gun In Hand - Stuterfly
16. Maybe Memories - The Used
17. What drives the weak - Shadows Fall
18. Clockwork - Autopilot off
19. Fool'n Yaself - Snoop Dogg

Image:projekt1.JPG



The tracklisting for LPU 2.0 is

  • A.06
  • With You (Live)
  • PTS.OF.ATHRTY (Crystal Method Remix)
  • Dedicated (Demo 1999)
  • High Voltage (Live)
  • My December.

LPU V2.5 is not a legit CD that uses the artwork from LPU 2.0 to make buyers believe that it is real. --SayCheese 18:55, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Alrite, thanks. 2 more.
  • Were the other demos on a mass-produced boot as well? (the ones at the start of the topic) or were they just on mp3.com and stuff?
  • How come Amazon.com has record of LPU V2.5, the boot, but not record of LPU V2.0, the real one?
Rhinestone, along with four other songs that were created while the band was called Xero were put onto an audio tape. These are very rare to come by and sell for high prices when they pop up on Ebay. I honestly don't know what the origins are for the demos for Crawling and In The End.
I heard about the Xero demo tape, but I wasn't sure if it was just a myth. (http://www.pushmeaway.com/disc.html)
I assure you, the tape is not a myth. As for getting a hold of the songs your best bet is a file sharing program. --SayCheese 05:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Also, where is this image from? It's not real, of course, is it?
That is not a real CD, Hybrid Theory EP did not have High Voltage (remix) or Esaul on it. As Kiand said, Wikipedia is not a reference desk and it might be better to go to a fansite message board such as FTG or LPA to ask your questions. --SayCheese 18:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)


Yes this is the Demo to Hybrid Theory EP

  • What are the songs "Pool of Death" and "Dust In The Wind?" They're not really Linkin Park, are they?
  • To the person above: Dust in the Wind was originally by Kansas, a little known band that produced a few good songs and a lot of crappy ones. However, Linkin Park's recording of it sounds very much like the original (quite unlike Korn's "Another Birck in the Wall". Barf.). I'm actually not sure if it IS Linkin Park. It sounds a little too close to the original Dust in the Wind.
  • OK, MY MAIN QUESTION:::Please, somebody tell me, was there a real Pts. Of. Athrty remix by Six Factions? I downloaded it (pushmeaway.com), and in the song's preloaded info, it said it was from the album "Xero Focus Vol. 3B: The Dark Side Of The Meteora." Is this real?

--daunrealist 03:46, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Dust In The Wind is a fairly common misnamed track as far as I know; I've no idea who it actually -is- by - most likely the band that originally did it. That CD could be real, as its possible they did produce a demo; but I've no idea. You really would be better off trying a Linkin Park fansite than an article discussion page. Kiand 04:15, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Fenwick here, Pool Of Death may be "lie to me" by Jonny Lang. I looked for the song on Limewire so I could answer the question, definitely not LP.


  • All these songs are not LP

Basically, it's a list of commonly mistaken songs involving Linkin Park. Some are songs that have nothing to do with Linkin Park, some are songs by Linkin Park that have wrong information associated with them. But in any case, the list:

Giving In: This one is commonly labeled as "Adema featuring Chester Bennington." Chester is not in this song. Marky Chavez (no longer the singer of Adema I might add) sings that song in a way that sounds sort of like Chester, but it's all Marky. Chester DID appear in Adema's video for The Way You Like It, along with Joe and Jake (LP's security guy). Apparently, Chester did sing this song live with Adema once during Projekt Revolution 2002, but there is no recording of it anyway.

Tupac and Biggie Tribute: This is a song by a group called City Clay, which was recorded as a tribute to Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls. On many P2P programs, it's labeled as featuring Linkin Park and a bunch of other rappers/bands. This led people to think Mike was rapping in the song, but LP was not involved in it in any way.

My Reason: This song is by the band Spiritfall, but was labeled as Linkin Park on P2P programs as well as unofficial bootleg CDs such as Under Attack.

I Just Want Your Company: This song is actually the song Bartender by (Hed)pe, but was labeled as Linkin Park on P2P programs and unofficial bootleg CDs.

Room 105: Labeled as a "rare garage demo" on P2P programs, it's actually by some unknown garage band, not LP.

Straight Up: Another song that was labeled as LP on P2P programs

Faded: Yet another song labeled as LP on P2P programs

Body Crumbles: This song is by Dry Cell, and is on the Queen of the Damned soundtrack, which also features the song System, sung by Chester. However, Body Crumbles sometimes shows up on P2P programs as LP.

Pool of Death: Another LP-labeled song on P2P programs.

One Night: Not LP, some fake song labeled as LP on letssingit.com

Piercing the Skin: Not LP, some fake song labeled as LP on letssingit.com

Open Your Eyes: Not LP, some fake song labeled as LP on letssingit.com. Alter Bridge has a song by this title though.

Without You: Not LP, some fake song labeled as LP on letssingit.com

Wrath of Me: Not LP, some fake song labeled as LP on letssingit.com

Ground Xero: This song is by the singer from when LP was called Xero, Mark Wakefield. However, it is commonly mistaken as a Xero song, when in fact none of the other band members were involved in it. The song was recorded after Mark left the band.

Broken Glass: This song is by The Blank Theory, but was labeled as LP on P2P programs.

Paranoia: This has been long rumored to be a title for the demo of Papercut. For one thing, no demo of Papercut is available to the public, and secondly, Mike has said that Papercut was a working title. Why would there be a working title for a working title? If there is a demo of the song, it'd just be called Papercut.

Creep: This is labeled as LP on P2P programs, I haven't downloaded it so I don't know what it is. I've heard that it's just Carousel, but if it's a different song, it's probably the song Creep by Radiohead.

Painted Pictures: This is a song by the band Sean Dowdell and His Freinds, which later became Grey Daze. Chester sang this song, but no REAL mp3 has been released of it. A fake mp3 of it was circulated a while back, if you have this mp3, it is actually an old Stone Sour demo called Can't Believe.

Vertical Limit: This is actually a Linkin Park song, but mislabeled. It's basically Points of Authority with an alternate rap verse. Some people label it as a demo, however it was actually on the soundtrack to the movie Little Nicky. It was labeled Vertical Limit because someone thought it was in the movie Vertical Limit. The song isn't actually in the movie or on the soundtrack however, it's from the Little Nicky soundtrack and can be heard in the movie.

Plaster: This was the working title for One Step Closer, and probably what the demo of it was recorded as. However, chances are 99% that no real mp3 of the song exists, and most likely any "Plaster" you come across is a fake.

Don't Stay vs. 99 Problems/ 99 Problems vs. One Step Closer: These 2 songs are commonly mislabeled as Collision Course demos. These were actually fan-made mashups from al-b3.com that were made long before Collision Course came out.

Don't Remember: This is labeled as "Limp Bizkit featuring Linkin Park" but it's just an old Limp Bizkit demo, LP wasn't involved in it.

Esaul (featuring Taproot, Limp Bizkit, etc.): Some people for whatever reason have labeled the demo version of A Place for My Head as having guests from Limp Bizkit and Taproot in it. This is not the case, it's just LP's demo, nobody else involved in it.

It's Goin' Down: A lot of people think that all of LP was involved in the recording of this song, but it's not true. The album version of this song was made entirely by the X-Ecutioners, Mike Shinoda, and Joe Hahn. Phoenix, Rob, and Wayne Static (Static-X) are seen playing in the video, but they are just cameos that weren't involved in the actual song.

One Step Closer (No Doubt Cover): This song is on here for one reason: No Doubt never covered it. This acoustic cover is actually by a woman named Deena Noroian, and it's even on her official website. Her voice just happens to sound like Gwen Stefani's.

State of the Art (album version): The song State of the Art was by Chester Bennington and DJ Lethal, and has only been aired twice on the radio by 91X in California. The "album version" mp3 that has been floating around is a fan-made remix, which loops instrumental sections where the radio ads would be, essentially an "ads-free" version. It is not, however, the actual album version, which has yet to be released.

Something I Can Never Have (Nine Inch Nails cover): Some people think LP covered this song live. However, all they did was play the original Nine Inch Nails recording of the song over the speakers before a lot of concerts in 2003/2004. It served as a sort of mood-setting intro to the concert, but LP didn't play it.

Sometimes, Hole, What's in the Eye, The Down Syndrome "Live Acoustic" songs, Morei Sky Audition (Grey Daze): These 5 tracks are real Grey Daze tracks. However, they are mislabeled. Sometimes, Hole, and What's in the Eye are not live OR acoustic. These 3 songs each have 2 different versions of them: one version on the Wake Me album, and one version on the No Sun Today album. They are not demos as some people think. The Down Syndrome actually is a live acoustic recording (in a studio), but it was just the bonus track on No Sun Today. The Morei Sky Audition track was the bonus track on Wake Me.

Bring Me to Life: This one is pretty obvious since it was a huge single and everything, but a few P2P programs still label Evanescence's song "Bring Me to Life" as featuring Linkin Park. The guy that raps in the song is Paul McCoy from 12 Stones, although interestingly enough, Wind-Up Records wanted Amy Lee to ask Mike Shinoda to do the part, but she never asked him because she knew he probably wouldn't have.

BYOB: Wow. I'm sorry, but this is getting rediculous here. Some people are actually dumb enough to think Chester is in System of a Down's song BYOB. Come on people, BYOB is like one of the most played songs right now, don't you think SOMEONE on the radio, TV, or the SOAD/LP websites would have mentioned that Chester was in it? He isn't, and I'm dumbfounded that people are this gullible.

Dust in the Wind: I've seen this one pop up once in a while, apparently someone did an acoustic cover of Kansas' "Dust in the Wind" and it got labeled as LP. I've downloaded the song, and it's not LP. Originally I thought it was just the version by Kansas, but it's not. Not sure who actually recorded it, but it's not LP in any case.

Internet Emcees: Rumored to be a song by Xero, however this is not the case. Rumor just started because a line in the song is something like "spelled x-e-r-o". It doesn't sound like Mike or anyone from LP/Xero though.

And One/Step Up/Dedicated "Demos": There is some confusion surrounding these songs, all for the same reason. Dedicated was labeled "Dedicated (Demo 1999)" on the LPU 2.0 CD. However there is only ONE version of the song, the one on LPU 2.0 isn't a demo version that there is another version of. Step Up was labeled as "Step Up (1999 Demo)" on the In the End single, but it is the same version as the EP version. And One was on the Hybrid Theory demo disc, but it is also exactly the same as the EP version.

Faint vs. Toxic: Some people think this is an official mashup that LP actually made with Britney Spears. HAHAHAHAHA wow. It's a fan-made mashup, nothing official.
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See this link [4] for complete list. RichV 21:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Faint - "Monochrome"

The video for Faint isn't monochome. Its got yellow in it too, in the early stages (the lighting), and the later parts of the video - when the band are singing in front of what looks kinda like a speaker stack, is full colour. --Kiand 04:46, 31 July 2005 (UTC)


New Album

Linkin Park are set to release a new album at the end of 2006 beginning of 2007 the title has not been released.

The album titles Recycle or Rotality have not been confirmed as the new title of the album.


I don't know who put that Mike said the album was going to come out September 20th of this year but thats completely untrue so I changed it to reflect what he actually said which was already stated above by someone else. I also removed the line in the preceding paragraph that state the album would be released around halloween. 68.68.96.79 20:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Chart Positions

According to billboard meteora has sold 5.1 million in the US. the discography has it as 4 million. i had changed it to 5.1 but it has now been changed back. 4 million is a great disservice. the whole of the discography should be ACTUAL sales instead of RIAA certs, these should only be mentioned as SHIPMENTS, as with Meteora these haven't been updated recently and it is unfair to discredit LP by (At least) 1.1 mill - this is more than many artists could even hope to sell!

Have you considered the 1.1 million "missing" might be in a country Billboard covers that isn't the US? US isn't the only country in the world. --Kiand 19:16, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Probably not, but it's obvious you'd rather make fun of him than help him. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.103.159.226 (talk) 12:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC).

Part of me

Has linkin park ever released a song called "part of me"? It sounds like Mike Shinoda's rapping but not Chesters vocals. Also i am a huge fan of linkin park but i want to be able to get a hold of all there songs, but i cant get Hybrid Theory EP. my last resort is to download them. Also what do you all think of "Remember the name" from fort minor? its a great song.

- Yes they did release a song called "Part of me" (and no it is not figure 09 off meteora which features similar lyrics), it was made by "Hybrid Theory" (before they became known as Linkin Park) and can be found on the album "Hybrid Theory EP". Yes that is most certainly Chester singing.

There's two versions of part of me, one is a Hybrid Theory EP demo and a demo released for Hybrid Theory when they were known as Linkin Park, which featured slight tweaks in both Chester and Mike's parts. both can be found for download off of linkin park fansites; the demo version wasn't actually released and can be found on LPTimes.com among other fansites.backstabb 16:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Article revision

I have revised and edited this article to make it easier to read, and I also took out the chit chat as wikipedia is not a message board or chat room.(Manderf 15:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC))

I took the liberty of completely revising the article. Seeing as how I've been a fan of the band since mid-2001 and I've worked with the Linkin Park Association in the past, I figured I'd apply all of my knowledge to the article. I've also cleaned up a lot of vandalism and added a lot of information that wasn't in the article before. Wlmaltby3 17:32, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I restored the infobox, as it is generally included in notable band articles. --DDerby-(talk) 16:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
G'job, both of you. --daunrealist 02:52, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Genre

Rapping, simple riffs, hip-hop and industrial elements, 'angsty' lyrics, no guitar solos, little tendecny for dramatic time changes, widely liked by people not into regular heavy metal, collaborations with rap and hip-hop artists, young fanbase, high degree of commercialization in terms of merchandise and fanclubs, formulaic songwriting, HUGELY polished sound (anyone who's seen the Meteroa DVD will see just how much work they put into perfecting a track). There really is no question that they're nu metal. ANYONE you ask will tell you they're nu metal except for a very few fans of Linkin PArk who are worried that the term is too pejorative.

I think changing it back to nu-metal, and keeping it there, is the best option. If you really must have it as something different, alternative metal might be the best solution. I say this as a massive fan of Linkin Park, I just see them for what they are. Just because they don't have guitar solos, just because they're polished and formulaic, just because they're nu metal doesn't stop them from being a great band :D

The reason why I claimed that the band has very little to do with "nü-metal" is for the simple fact that they're not metal and they've got very little in common with bands like Korn or Limp Bizkit who are also considered nü-metal. Wlmaltby3 20:46, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

nu-metal doesn't have much in common with normal metal, but it does have electronic instruments, mixing and rapping...
They're certainly not "hard rock", which is what is claimed now. About as nuts as the "electronica" label someone put on Paradise Lost a while ago. -Kiand 21:01, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

They are not nü-metal, they are in a genre of there own, but most people classify them as rock. Isnt nü-metal also called alternitive?

"Alternative" is used as a catchall for bands that can't be classified. However, Linkin Park are nu-metal, not unclassifiable. --Kiand 09:15, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Im just saying that because there music is differnt to most nü-metal music as the lyrics are not as obsene as most nu metal artists. thats why i said there in a genre of there own. mabey we can call them Clean Nü-metal

I noticed that 194.217.194.139 changed the genre from "nu metal/rapcore" to "nu metal/alternative rock" in the article's opening paragraph. Since it does seem that the term "rapcore" is not quite a mainstream term, and that Linkin Park can indeed be considered "alternative rock" (a better known genre), I decided against reverting the change. Instead, I re-included Rapcore in the infobox. --AbsolutDan (talk) 00:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Lately the article has been edited a lot because there seems to be a disagreement between LP being rapcore and alternative rock. Seeing that rapcore and nu metal are pretty close it seems that listing the band as both is rather redundant. If you look at Linkin Park's MySpace they list themselves as Rock/Alternative so I think it would be safe to list them as Numetal/alternative rock or rapcore/alternative rock. --SayCheese 00:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm just going to reiterate the point that I made above. The band themselves reject the classification of their band as nu metal and rap-rock. --SayCheese 04:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The band may reject it, but they are definitely nu metal/rap-rock. That said, their sound is different from that of other nu metal bands. Although they should be classified as nu metal/rapcore, i also think they should be listed as alternative rock. --EverEndingStory 17:05, 6 November 2006

Aren't those first two sentences a bit contradictive? I'm not going to go on a long explanation pointing out things that the band has said about their music and what they think it is, but classifying a band as something that they say they are not is trying to make fact out of opinion. No one knows the music better than themselves. --SayCheese 08:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

But they are nu metal, despite what they say. --EverEndingStory 15:33, 7 November 2006

If it came from their mouth, how can it not be true? They didn't set out to be a nu metal band, the beginnings of the band came before nu metal and therefore their sound wasn't influenced. You said it yourself, their sound is different from nu metal bands. For an example, many different artists are classified as IDM even if they don't have a similar sound, and without the IDM label would be in completely different genres. --SayCheese 21:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Best work to date???

"Shinoda produced the Hybrid Theory EP which is still being praised as Linkin Park's best work to date." - It's still being praised? Praised by who? whoever wrote this is making it look like the EP IS the best. backstabb 18:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I think I removed that phrase when I re-edited yesterday. According to Wiki policy it's unproveable and redundant so I sliced it. IainP (talk) 12:13, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Chester Bennington

In the page of Wikipedia refering to Chester Bennington , it is claimed that "Breaking the habit" was written by Mike Shinoda and was based in (I can hardly believe) Chester's sexual abusion in his youth years . Is this for real ? Someone who knows more about LP than me.

The song is not written about Chester AT ALL. It is a rumour that started when it was released. Mike wrote it about a friend of his, he started to write it in 1997, years before he even knew Chester existed! Chester gets emotional when he sings it live, and that sparked people in to thinking that it was about him, when, infact, he just thinks it is a beautiful song.

Yeah, basically for Chester he relates to it, but it's not ABOUT him. It's just that the lyrics fit for him very well.

Points of Authority

Where is the source for the information about "Points of Authority" being a single as it is included on the infobox at the bottom of the Linkin Park page, I have been unable to find any information stating that it is a single. Lipzydude 23:07, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

points of authority was never a single, as far as i can see. Also, it's going down wasn't even by linkin park, and neither was enjoy the silence...backstabb 19:17, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I remember seeing Points Of Authority with a video where they showed clips of the band playing at various locations on TV but I dunno if it's an "official" single or something

A video featuring concert footage, which was released just after Reanimation's Points of Authority (however the !@#$ they spelled it on that album), got some airplay. I do not believe it was released to radio - it would have been somewhat redundant to do so since the Reanimation track had just been released a short time prior. Tromboneguy0186 05:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I recall the Pts.Of.Athrty CGI clip having considerable airtime on Cartoon Network.--Schwarzes Nacht 03:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Pts.Of.Athrty was a single, but not the original Points of Authority, and the video of the remix is an official one (unlike the other Reanimation videos). -67.163.21.39 19:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

External links

Ok, I removed the following fansites & other external links:
I also removed the following album/tour links, because they already have Wikipedia articles (which are linked to earlier in the article), and per WP guidelines, it's better to link internally than externally:
--AbsolutDan (talk) 00:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


LPU is a fanclub site, not a fansite. Band members often provide information in LPU chats, but these sources are inaccessible to anyone who isn't a member of the LPU. backstabb 17:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Linkin Park

I propose that a WikiProject for Linkin Park be started so as to increase the structural integrity and factual accuracy of any articles that pertain to either directly or indirectly the band itself. I wanted to propose the idea here so as to gather the opinions of those who have worked on articles dealing with the band (such as myself). If anyone would like to help me begin a WikiProject for Linkin Park, please let me know! – Wlmaltby3 20:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I will help, I want to know what the hell is up with the info box. Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 09:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Great idea, Wlmaltby3. Over the last week or so, I've had to massively NPOV-ize the nu metal page, replace Collision Course and Numb/Encore on the Jay-Z page, and removed something unsourced and negative on the Chester Bennington page. And given stuff I've seen on various talk pages, there's going to be plenty more where that came from. -Unknownwarrior33 19:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I completely agree. I'm getting tired of reading edits to this article that feature poor grammar and obvious NPOV violations. I like the band, but this is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a fanlisting. A lot of the information in this article seems redundant and fluffy.
Enfestid 20:16, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I didn't realize this issue was being instigated in a pro-LP way in addition to an anti-LP way. That means the issue is more widespread and thus more severe than I even realized. With four people I think it's safe to make the Wikiproject. Unless someone else gets a chance sooner, I'll set it up as soon as I can (probably either later today or tomorrow). -Unknownwarrior33 20:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
On second thought, I already spend way more time than necessary on Wikipedia, so I'm out. I'll just edit stuff as I see lt, like I've been doing. -Unknownwarrior33 17:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

10x platinum

The opening paragraph of the article says that Hybrid Theory went 19x platinum. It's actually only 10x platinum (see RIAA webstite).

That's counting worldwide sales. -SayCheese 17:41, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

they are NOT alternative rock

In this article, lots of anonymous users continue to add a wrong genre categorization, "Alternative Rock". This is shallow, and denotes their systematic anti-rap bias. LP is not only Chester Bennington. -- Egr (talk), 28/8/2006

Please read my comment under the Genre discussion. If the article had only alternative rock, then your statement would make sense. If Linkin Park was categorized as numetal/alternative rock it would not show some sort of 'anti-rap' bias. --SayCheese 20:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism On The Article

Can people please stop posting their own opinions on the Article and just stupid things like "oh yeah and their recent debute album which keeps on being delayes seems to be very dissapointing." this Article is not here for abusing and Vandalism, thankyou UkNegative 18:11, 30 August (GMT)

  • This really won't help. Not everyone reads the talk page. --[kazikame] 18:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

The Bass Incident

You know, the way it's stated in the article, you'd think that Phoenix meant to kill Mike. No, this looks like more of a joke than an accident. I'd change it, but my changes are usually rejected :P --Oops, forgot I wasn't logged in. -Hello2112

  • Does it even belong in the article? --[kazikame] 01:45, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
No it doesn't and I took it off. --SayCheese 07:07, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Well then, it's still kind of worth noting, so could it go in Mike or Phoenix's Wiki articles? Hello2112 23:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
It's not worth mentioning at all. Phoenix's bass was too high up in the air for it to have actually hit Mike. --SayCheese 02:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Handsome Boy Modeling School

Has anyone heard the collaboration that Mike and Chester did with Handsome Boy Modeling School on the song "Rock and Roll Could Never Hip-Hop Like This (part 2)?" Would this be an appropriate note to add to the article? I believe that it may point to what Linkin Park's Sound may be like in the new albumAudric 20:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if it was when you wrote that, but the song is currently mentioned on the page. Man, I LOVE that song! -Unknownwarrior33 20:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

LiИkiИ Park to Linkin Park

Who keeps deleting "(sometimes written as LIИKIИ PARK to inimidate their logo)"? Linkin Park is also credited as LIИKIИ PARK, too, just like NIИ and KoЯn.

WereWolf 21:00, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

The reasons are simple:
  1. "to inimidate" should be written as "to fit";
  2. it needs a citation;
  3. it seems to be added only with the clear attempt to make less important the infos about their commercial success.

-- Egr (talk), 28/8/2006

FA material

I just read the entire article, and I must say, this seems like it could be FA material. Does anyone agree, or am I alone in this? -- xompanthy 12:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the article has potential for FA status, however right now it fails the "stable" criteria (as there's ongoing battles over certain details like record sales and genre), and the article is woefully lacking citations (failing the "factually accurate" criteria). --AbsolutDan (talk) 14:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Fails the criteria. Well it should be a GA. Michaelas10 15:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
The truth is that LP themselves woefully lack citations or sources. --Baxtaba 12:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I see no citation for that. .Absolution. 11:18, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Recent Events

I removed the sentence at the end that said, "The third album is a mix of punk, classic rock, vintage hip-hop beats; but when you hear it, it will still recognize us as Linkin Park, added Bennington."

This could maybe be considered plagiarism, given that it was not a direct quote from anyone from the band, but was 99% the exact same sentence that appeared in the cited MTV article. Also, the second half of the sentence I could not find anywhere in the MTV article.

Mhudson3 13:55, 17 October 2006 (CST)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the article is cited then the sentence can be used. --SayCheese 00:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Normally I would agree, but in this case, the second half of the sentence wasn't even in the article as far as I can find, although I could be wrong. I don't see in there where it says anything like, "but when you hear it, it will still recognize us as Linkin Park."
If it was paraphrasing, MTV would have written it like, "...but Bennington says that when they hear the album, fans will still recognize it as Linkin Park."
MTV wouldn't confuse possession like that and "it will still recognize us" doesn't make sense.
If the second half of the sentence is there, I'd recommend pulling the whole quote and splicing it properly with elipses.
Mhudson3 14:45, 18 October 2006 (CST)
I'm thinking that maybe the person who edited the page did some paraphrasing with incorrect grammar. However, the current quote of Chester's seems to be correct and another one isn't needed. --SayCheese 03:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Vertical Limit?

I just found this song online called "Vertical Limit," and it said it was by Linkin Park. It bears extremely close resemblance to "Points of Authority," with the only difference being the opening, which is shorter. It is almost identical in every other aspect.


Forfeit the game

Stop the talkshow

Something I can't catch...your time to know

Forfeit the game

'Cause tommorrow

When it's all done

You reap what you sow!


It is also not done twice in the beginning, though it does pop up again in place of the original opening where it should be. Also, the song is only 3:22. Anyone know what this is? It can't be The Crystal Method's remix, it's way too short, and I can't find anything like it in the tracks of the Xero sampler and Hybrid Theory EP. RockMaster 23:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

That is the demo of Points of Authority, mistakenly named as Vertical Limit. You can read the full lyrics here [5] --SayCheese 18:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it's a remix. The original demo had the same rap verse as on the Hybrid Theory album (which it also used as the chorus) and an extra rap/scream section that wasn't in the final version.

i downloaded that song once it was label Points of Authority, so i was surprised when i heard it; anyways, Where is it from?...anyone? nope, definitely a demo. at least according to lpfuse.co.uk backstabb 23:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Scott Belsha

I'm re-adding his information. I know this article gets a lot of incorrect edits in the former members section, but it seems that this one was true. He is a percussionist and noted on his MySpace[6] that he played drums for the Xero demo tape. --SayCheese 04:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Are you absolutely sure that this is really Scott Belsha, and that he isn't lying? I think it would be better to try and find a statement from LP or one of the bandmates that proves this. Hello2112 22:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I really don't see why he would lie about it. He is obviously an established artist and only mentioned his work with Xero in passing. If he was lying he would have said more, but this is just my opinion. --SayCheese 22:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Hmm...well, I guess it should be left up, then. I'll make an article for him. Hello2112 23:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

i think this is completely fake, belsha wasnt mentioned in the xero tape or anything else

We don't take comments from people with unsigned comments >.> Hello2112 23:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The picture

Um...what happened to the band picture? Was it violating a copyright or something? Hello2112 23:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


Post Grunge

Do you think they could be considered Post-grunge? I've been wondering about that. Wikipedia's description for post-grunge is that it is characterized by its radio-friendly style, distorted but often simple guitar riffs, and "soft verse, loud chorus" song patterning. Linkin Park seems to fit that description.--EverEndingStory 17:17, 6 November 2006

All of the bands listed on the post-grunge page have little to no similarities to Linkin Park. The band--while maybe being influenced by bands like Nine Inch Nails--also have no ties to industrial rock, so I took both of the links off of the main page. --SayCheese 00:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Postgrunge? It's correct only for acts such ad Puddle Of Mudd or Staind. It's a totally wrong way to describe their music. They're neither postgrunge. The problem is that most LP fans are too focused only on Chester Bennington's vocals (often misinterpreted as postgrunge). They are influenced by NIN, The Roots, Depeche Mode, Metallica, Far, Depeche Mode, Aphex Twin, never by Nirvana & co. --Egr 15:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Paragraphs

Who keeps changing the history into two sections.How the hell can you divide it into "Early history"(before HT) and "Linkin Park"(After the release of HT to present)? Leave it as it is.

Date Accurateness..

I noticed the article said Shinoda produced Hybrid Theory EP on February 8, 2006.. is this date correct?

There is nothing on the article that says that. The only mention of February 8th is when the band announced that Rick Rubin would be producing their next album. -SayCheese 04:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

LPU 6

Is it really important to mention this in the article? Every new event that relates to Linkin Park doesn't need to be added. If it really needs to stay it should be moved to the LPU article. (By the way, if you want to hear the songs join the LPU. It's worth much more than just the CD) --SayCheese 17:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

moved the excerpt about the LPU 6 leak to the page with all the other LPU releases. Also filled in some of the extra info about them and the release.--R-Tiztik 01:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Recent Vandalism

Look at the page history for the guy that keeps writing "!!!!!!!!!!LINKIN PARK RULZ!!!!!!!!!!" He's changed the first section to that repeatedly, no matter how many times we reverted it. 64.121.35.146 04:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

And we'll keep reverting it. It takes less effort to do so than the vandalism itself. --AbsolutDan (talk) 01:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Origin

If they're from Agoura Hills, California, as the page says, why does their origin say "Los Angeles"? Those are two different cities, and they should not be grouped under one blanket term "Los Angeles". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arspickles17 (talk • contribs) 11:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC). Arspickles17 11:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)Arspickles17

Collaborations

Some users continue to remove this line, "The band also collaborated with other notable artists, ...". This shouldn't be removed without any reliable reason, that they have collaborated with other artists is objective and recognizable (Reanimation, Collision Course, the song "It's Goin' Down"). --Baxtaba 12:10, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Odjebikonju 14:09, 17 December 2006 (UTC) I agree that it should be mentioned in the article, but it's not necessary for the intro part.It should be mentioned later on in the article.
I'm sorry, but THEIR works have been created along with that musicians. --

Baxtaba 14:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Odjebikonju 16:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC) Yes, but the fact that they their works have been created along with those musicians has nothing to do with the fact that this should be mentioned LATER, not in the intro. Take a look on some articles about other musicians and you'll see that their collaborations are never mentioned in the intro , but instead aleays somewhere in the end or by their respectable albums.

lol 20 million albums? LAFF

check the edit history, I edited it. Dragong4 08:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

It's referred to worldwide sales, not only in the US. --Baxtaba 10:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah okay, source it and then come back to me, okay? Untill then it will stay deleted Dragong4 20:49, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Alternative Rock

There has once again arisen some disagreement over whether or not Linkin Park should be classified as alternative rock. I have pushed for it in the past not because I think that the band IS alternative rock, but that is where part of their sound comes from. The band themselves has said that they are alternative[7] and in fact more recently have rejected the nu-metal/rap rock categorization[8][9][10]. To keep the LP article in tune with what the band has been saying it makes sense to keep alternative rock under the genre list. --SayCheese 06:11, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Bands aren't usually considered reliable sources for assigning themselves genres, since they can often reject common descriptions assigned to them for whatever reason, even if that description makes perfect sense. A lot of nu metal bands don't like being associated with the nu metal movement, and the same has been true with gothic rock, grunge, New Wave, and alternative rock. Simply put, Linkin Park, despite their protests, are largely considered a nu metal band. Furthermore, while nu metal takes some influence from alternative rock, it isn't a style or subgenre of alternative rock; it's a form of heavy metal. You can cite in the article that the band considers itself an alternative band certainly, but they aren't one and so they shouldn't be labeled under that genre in the infobox. WesleyDodds 20:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
How can a band not be considered reliable, especially when it is they who creates the music? It doesn't matter what they are 'considered'. Linkin Park has always rejected the nu metal labeling because the band was around before the large nu metal movement, and wasn't trying to recreate a sound that was already out there. They have said time and time again that there was a type of music that they wanted to hear, and since they weren't hearing it that they would create it themselves. This immediately sets them apart. Whether or not nu metal is a subgenre of alternative rock doesn't matter. It is a part of their sound, just like the Hip hop and electronic aspects. In fact, it would probably be more correct to label them as all three. The suggested amends to the article would be too confusing, to classify them as one thing and then state that the band says that they are another. It needs to remain consistent. --SayCheese 21:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
LP are certainly rapcore. --Baxtaba 23:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
If you look at the articles for nu metal and rapcore, they are exactly the same thing except that rapcore came first. However, this has nothing to do with the current discussion. --SayCheese 03:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
The band isn't considered an objective source, which is what Wikipedia guidelines stress. Thus what the band considers itself is largely irrelevant for the purposes of this encyclopedia. WesleyDodds 05:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Then what is considered an objective source, other than the band who makes the music? What others perceive the band to be should not be valued more than what the band themselves say. --SayCheese 07:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Something like Allmusic.com, which doesn't list them as an alternative rock band. WesleyDodds 08:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
So because one website says that they are not alternative rock, it should be taken as fact? Of the three genres that AllMusic lists for Linkin Park, the only one that could be applicable is rap-metal. Alternative metal was added to the genre list a couple of times only to be removed and they are certainly not post-grunge. --SayCheese 09:16, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
It's more citable than going by what we believe, and that's ultimately what matters. WesleyDodds 09:21, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
No, it isn't. One website should not be considered as the only way to classify something. --SayCheese 10:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I personally would agree with Wesley Dodds. Furthermore RHCP can be considered alt rock, if ever. --Baxtaba 13:09, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
You really need to review Wiki guidelines like Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research. WesleyDodds 19:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I did have a verifiable source, which are the four links that I included in my original post. The information was taken from Blender magazine, Rolling Stone magazine, and MTV.com, which are all verifiable and reliable sources who talked directly to the band and weren't passing on second hand information. In the past they have been quoted and used as sources for this and other Linkin Park related articles, especially Linkin Park's third studio album. However, in this case, suddenly their word is not good enough, and instead a music website is considered more reliable. Excuse me if I don't see what point you are trying to make. --SayCheese 20:44, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
If they were really alt rock, what kind of bands do LP draw inspiration from? --Baxtaba 20:47, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Mike has said that they have been influenced by Nine Inch Nails and Depeche Mode (Which was included in their book, From The Inside: Linkin Park's Meteora) and is backed up by the fact that he remixed a Depeche Mode song and the band covered NIN's Wish during their last tour. --SayCheese 20:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Sources have to be verifiable and reliable. Regarding their genre, Linkin Park's opinion is verifiable but not reliable. That's just how things go. How they describe their music has little credence. Otherwise a band like HIM would be listed as "Love Metal", Motorhead would only be listed as rock 'n roll, Nirvana wouldn't be grunge, and almost every single goth band wouldn't be listed as such.
By the way, Depeche Mode aren't what I would call a definitive alternative band. They started out as part of the New Romantic movement, and their music is more correctly labeled as New Wave or post-punk. They had little if anything to do with the development of alternative rock in the 80s and are pretty much only considered alternative in the US where they had a cult following before breaking big; back in England they were seen as teenybopper pop stars. Aside from that, them influencing Linkin Park doesn't make them an alternatve band. Nirvana's influenced a lot of bands, but not all of them are alternative bands. WesleyDodds 21:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
After looking at the WP:Reliable_source page, they seem to fit as a reliable source. They fit 'Non-scholarly sources' criteria, and are credible. However, acceptance of this is really up to the individual ('That's just how things go'), which is why we are at an impasse.
Your info about Depeche Mode is duly noted. Just pointing out what the page said. --SayCheese 01:32, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
LP claim to be influenced also by The Roots and Metallica. --Baxtaba 21:18, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
As well as U2, who have made impressions on both Mike and Brad, and Rob's drumming has been influenced by Dave Matthews Band (Both coming from the book I listed in my previous post). They have been influenced by alternative bands. --SayCheese 01:32, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
But I sincerely don't consider them alt rock. Now I'd rather leave you to discuss with WD. --Baxtaba 01:39, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

The point Baxtaba and I are trying to argue is that just because they claim alternative bands as an influence does not mean they are an alternative band. For a similar example, Fred Durst claims Nirvana as an influence. He's said he listens to the Smiths. But Limp Bizkit is not an alternative rock band. WesleyDodds 03:42, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I was asked a question, and I simply answered it. --SayCheese 01:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)ž

As far as I'm concerned Alternative Rock is a term that has no meaning now. All bands try to offer something different from the rest

I think Alternative rock should be listed as a genre. Linkin Park has a very different overall sound when compared with other Nu Metal bands. --EverEndingStory 05:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Not true. Also LP feature rapcore influences. --Baxtaba 14:13, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
This has nothing to do with rapcore. They have rapcore influences as well as alternative rock. --SayCheese 03:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Considering how vague the term "alternative rock" is today, I don't think it matters either way if it's listed. "rapcore/nu metal" tells the story well, but in general, I'm inclusive when it comes to genre listings unless it's something way out there (like if someone tried to call LP "death metal" or something). Crumbsucker 06:26, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Now I've added some reliable sources for most of their genres (except for hip hop, although it's relevant in some of their works, e.g. in Reanimation and Collision Course). But please try to protect this article. --Chargin' Chuck 22:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

My two cents on this whole thing: call them an American Rock band in the first sentence and then describe the different elements of their music in the next sentence. This has seemed to be a good way to make everybody happy when it comes to a difficult-to-classify band (i.e. Chili Peppers, Underoath). Just throwing that out there. Roofi's Publicist 02:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Should I paint a picture of an apple and call it surrealism, that does not make it so. .Absolution. 11:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Oooo-kay. Roofi's Publicist 05:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Much of Linkin Park's style has come from alternative rock. While their music encompasses rapping and techno-ish effects, which makes it very obviously rapcore and nu metal, the framework and basis of the music can generally be defined as that of metal and alternative rock.Drew Nutter 03:18, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

New picture

Close5218 10:54, 27 December 2006 (UTC)I love the new picture.It's better than the old one.But will you be able to keep it there?

German Rapper Sido?

TRL Germany presented an exclusive Qwerty Demo on the broadcast. After the clip was played TRL's featured guest German rapper Sido replied stating it sounded like every other Linkin Park song. He went on to mention that he did not like the screaming and that Chester's voice is not good. And that that Evanescence is better. He also said the rapping wasn't to good either. When the moderator mentioned that the rapper was the Solo Artist behind the success of Fort Minor, Sido mearly retorted by saying Fort Minor was "Ca Ca". The video can be veiwed here:[YouTube Link]

I removed this entire quote from the end of the "Recent events" section. This quote (or whatever you want to call it) added absolutely nothing to the article. Not only that, but it looks as if it was written by a ten-year-old. --These7enthprophet 03:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I only regret that I did not find it first. .Absolution. 11:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)