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[edit] mike shinoda back up vocals

it says in the style section that mike does all the backup vocals live. that's almost true but phoenix sings in the little things give you away, so i don't know if that's significant enough to mention, but just saying it's not 100% accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.106.105.242 (talk) 02:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rap metal

Linkin Park is a Rap metal band not a Rap rock band. It's called rap rock if rock and hip hop is mixed together but Linkin Park mixes metal and hip hop so then it's a Rap metal band. --Alice Mudgardens (talk) 22:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Rap Metal is better known as rapcore. Hence, why there is no real rap metal article. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk 23:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I'm not sure why someone changed it to Rap Rock in the first place.... I changed it back to Rapcore to avoid the redirect. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk 00:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I changed it to Rap rock, because until literally today, Rapcore was a redirect] to Rap rock. It was reversed a few hours ago by an anon. I generally prefer the term "Rap rock", because it's a more general term. Rapcore, at least in my interpretation, is rap rock with hardcore punk influences, making it a subgenre. Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Parsecboy (talk) 02:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Why does Rap rock article seem like it should actually be called Rapcore? O_o Meh, I'll leave that for someone else to figure out while I continue to add subtle black metal references to articles. Good Day --ShadowJester07 ► Talk 10:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Who has changed it back to rap rock when it should be rap metal. --Alice Mudgardens (talk) 21:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I didn't change it, but I did look up the difference between the 2 just out of curiousity. According to our lovely Wikipedia, rap rock and rap metal quite often categorize the same genre of music. If you type rap metal into the search box it automatically diverts you to rap metal so I would venture to say they are interchangeable. My underlying point is this, is this a battle that should be fought? Look at it this way, at least someone didn't change it to emo...ugh.--Sashall08 (talk) 09:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Their more recent work would be classified as rap rock, not rap metal, which is a sub-genre of rap rock. Therefore, it's best to use the broadest terms to describe them. Parsecboy (talk) 14:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Live in SoHo EP

Shouldn't we include the iTunes exlcusive: Live in SoHo EP? RafaeldKsonic (talk) 12:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
iTunes: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=275321835&s=143441
IGN Review: http://music.ign.com/articles/857/857211p1.html

[edit] Projekt Revolution

Shouldn't we include their live album projekt revolution.--Wellwater Conspiracy (talk) 00:07, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Old V.S. New

They should compare and contrast them when they first started and now. They should also explain the many fans were dissapointed when their new album came out. A lot of people at my school complained about Minutes To Midnight. Grcaphistory (talk) 14:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, Wikipedia is factual, not opinionated. The only opinions that count are from critics, which were pretty mixed. So there is no reason to mention that some people don't like the album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.198 (talk) 23:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rapcore

Why don't we have rapcore instead og rap rock. Rap rock only means when rap is mixed with rock and rap metal is the same just with metal. When you say rapcore you are talking about both the genres. --Wellwater Conspiracy (talk) 20:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

See #Rap metal, above. There's an additional explanation here.--  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  21:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Because rapcore tends to be associated with hardcore punk, hence the "core" in the name. Linkin Park is not hardcore punk, so Rap rock is better. Also, it's a broader genre, which is better for infoboxes. Parsecboy (talk) 22:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Linkin Park are not hardcore punk, I agree, but they do clearly have some influence from it. I don't see how "rap rock" is any more accurate than "rapcore", which is more commonly used on other wikipedia articles. I know that other articles don't necessarily have any influence over this one, but rapcore is certainly more general than "rap rock". James25402 (talk) 13:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
No, "rapcore" is a sub-genre of "rap rock" (i.e., it's rap rock + hardcore punk), just like "hardcore punk" is a sub-genre of "rock". If anything, rap rock is the general term, with sub-genres like rapcore and rap metal. Can you give examples of songs where LP is influenced by hardcore punk, because I can't think of any. Parsecboy (talk) 13:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
There won't be much point in me giving you examples, since you've clearly made up your mind that rapcore is not appropriate and without citations, you will simply dismiss my opinions regardless. However, since you have asked, I will answer. Given Up clearly has elements of hardcore punk, including screamed vocals, a breakdown, a fast tempo. No More Sorrow has elements of metalcore (the 'chug-a-lug' riffage), which fuses hardcore punk with metal. I could carry on but quite honestly, it's mainly Chester's vocals that give the songs a hardcore punk influence, his combination of clean singing and screamed vocals. A lot of the rhythms, particularly on the choruses where the overdriven guitar kicks in are similar in tempo and riffage to hardcore punk. "Rapcore" is certainly closer to Linkin Park's sound than "rap rock", which may or may not be the umbrella term. Linkin Park have, at no point, played rock music, aside from Minutes To Midnight, where rap vocals are at an absolute minimum, therefore they have not fused "rap and rock". Rise Against are a hardcore punk band, amongst other sub-genres, would you simply label them punk rock because it's the umbrella term? Hell, why not call Linkin Park a rock band, that's clearly the simplest way to label them. "Rap rock" needs to be changed to either "rap metal" or "rapcore" for accuracy. And as a side note, if you are indeed correct that "rap rock" is the umbrella term, let's see some citations for that, because unless you can cite it, your opinion is not valid. As far as I can see, the term "rap rock" has created some controversy on this Talk page, so if consensus agrees, this may need to be changed unless you can prove that "rap rock" is more accurate to use than "rap metal" or "rapcore". James25402 (talk) 13:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Citations from RS's that define 'rap rock', and also claim Linkin Park to be 'rap rock'.[1][2][3]

[4][5]--  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  14:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Awards

I Have listed all of Linkin Parks awards. Should we have this in the article. --Wellwater Conspiracy (talk) 09:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

All the sources is on english wikipedia. If know on answears im puting this on the LP page

It's highly unorthodox to have entire sections devoted just to awards on Wikipedia articles - especially when almost all of them - except for Grammy awards are not that notable. Also, I'm removing the reward section from the talk page - It's still going to be stored in the history if you need it for anything. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  15:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

The Pearl Jam article has a big award section and Soundgarden has the same. So why can't Linkin Park have one. --Wellwater Conspiracy (talk) 16:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

The Pear Jam article only lists notable American awards and nominations, which are appropriately formated and referenced. Given there is an FA-status article that has this, I do not really see any harm in adding it. Just make sure it has references and looks somewhat presentable. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  16:58, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Year Award Category
2002 Grammy Award Best Hard Rock Performance - Crawling[1]
2006 Best Rap/Sung Collaboration – "Numb/Encore"[2]
2002 MTV Video Music Awards Best Rock Video – "In the End"[3]
2003 Best Rock Video – "Somewhere I Belong"[3]
Viewer's Choice Award – "Breaking the Habit"[3]
2003 Nov American Music Awards Favorite Alternative Artist[4]
2004 Favorite Favorite Alternative Artist[5]
2007 Favorite Favorite Alternative Artist[6]
2002 MTV Asia Award Favorite Breakthrough Artist[7]
2003 Favorite Video - "Pts.OF.Athrty"[5]
Favorite Alternative Artist[5]
2004 Favorite Video - "Breaking the Habit"[5]
Favorite Rock Act[5]
2002 MTV Europe Music Award Rock Group[8]
Best Hard Rock[5]
2004 Favorite Rock Group[5]
Best Band[5]
2005 MTV Video Music Awards Japan Best Group Video - "Breaking the Habit"[9]
Best Collaboration Video: - "Numb/Encore"[5]
2002 MTV Video Music Brasil Best International Video: - "In the End"[9]
2003 Best International Video: - "Somewhere I Belong"[5]
Er, good format, but your supposed to use actual references, as opposed to Wikipedia articles. I'll take it from here. Good Job. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  20:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Er is a Norwegian word. Can i put it on the LP Page now. This is just a list over the awards LP has won. --Wellwater Conspiracy (talk) 09:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


Year Nominations Category
2001 MTV Video Music Award Best Direction in a Video - Crawling[10]
Best Rock Video – "Crawling"[2]
2002 Video of the Year - "In the End"[5]
Best Group Video - "In the End"[5]
2007 Editing in a Video - Igor Kovalik for - "What I've Done"[5]
Best Director - Joe Hahn for - "What I've Done"[5]
Best Group[5]
2002 Grammy Award Best Rock Album - Hybrid Theory[10]
2003 Best Rock Instrumental Performance – "Session"[2]
2003 American Music Awards Favorite Alternative Artist[10]
2003 Favorite Alternative Artist – "Session"[11]
Favorite Pop/Rock Band, Duo, or Group[5]
2007 Favorite Pop/Rock Band, Duo, or Group[11]
Favorite album - Minutes to Midnight[5]
2007 TMF Music Awards Best Album - Minutes to Midnight[12]
Best Rock – "Session"[11]

Done, finished. See you later --Wellwater Conspiracy (talk) 10:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC).

They won the 2007 MTA EMA award for best band... RafaeldKsonic (talk) 09:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I think we're going to need another reference as well, The "<ref name="TMF Awards">" reference is overburdened, as the latter links to it in the reference section are not working properly (see 'x, y z'). --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  03:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

I changed the rap rock genre to rapcore/rap metal/rap rock because all of these genres are the same genres and are linked to the same page. --Wellwater Conspiracy (talk) 17:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

There's no point to link three things that just re-direct to the same page. :p --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  20:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

They also make Rapcore and I added this info. Volkov talk 00:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Rapcore is a redirect to Rap rock, moreover, Linkin Park doesn't have any hardcore punk influence, so rapcore isn't a correct genre anyway. Parsecboy (talk) 00:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Linkin Park

Have any of you heared about the Wikipedia:WikiProject Linkin Park --Freedom (song) (talk) 20:18, 24 April 2008 (UTC).

[edit] Copied from another website

On muzizinfo.com's article on Linkin Park, I noticed this entire artcile on wikipedia has been copied from here http://www.musizinfo.com/search/label/Linkin%20Park —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.62.34.236 (talk) 21:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The Copied it from us; I know for a fact that most of this article was hand-written by other editors. Look at the other band profiles on the sites, they have been taken word for word from other Wikipedia articles. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  22:47, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion of alternative rock as a genre for Linkin Park

In the aim of establishing a Wiki-wide consensus as to whether or not Linkin Park is alternative rock, please visit and add to the discussion here. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MTV's 22 Greatests Bands...

Linkin Park was ranked #6. Here is a source (sort of) http://www.amiannoying.com/(S(vczc3t55cyo5tk45n2xdwufr))/collection.aspx?collection=1530

It's been a while since they aired that particular tv special, but this is the most reliable source I can find. I think it would be neat for the Wikipedia page to be thorough on how fans and critics have praised Linkin Park for their sound.

Also, Rolling Stone Readers have ranked Hybrid Theory #58 of their 100 best albums (published in 2002). http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/rstone.html

Linkin Park's Minutes To Midnight is #25 in The Rolling Stones top 50 of 2007. http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/rstone.html

I don't know if you already mentioned them being #25 in Rolling Stones top 50. Also, I don't know if hybrid theory being #58 is even worth mentioning. However, I think Linkin Park being ranked #6 on MTV's 22 Greatest Bands is worth mentioning.JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk) 14:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fanmade Remix Albums?

OK... umm.. I wish I had the power to get rid of that, but apparently only certain people have the privelage to add stupid things. Some people might think this is uncylclopedia.com, but it's not. JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk) 14:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I assume you're talking about the redlinks that were in the template at the bottom. I removed them, but so you know how to do it in the future, you can just click on the "v" in the top left corner of the template to go to the template page and make changes from there. Thanks for pointing the problem out. Parsecboy (talk) 15:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Head strong

Another song from Linkin Park was Head strong. I guess that this is not mentioned in the main article. Volkov talk 10:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

It appears that it's just a cover of the Trapt version. I'm sure they've covered a bunch of songs, it's not really notable. Parsecboy (talk) 13:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I also wonder if Chester Bennington is the singer of Head strong. Volkov talk 10:51, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm Linkin Park doesn't sing this song.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.198 (talk) 04:25, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Parsec and I cannot seem to find any reliable sources to confirm that Linkin Park actually covered the song. Unless someone can fetch an RS to verify Linkin Park actually covered the song, it's likely a case of mistaken attribution. Feel free to join the actual discussion, Talk:Head strong (Linkin Park song). --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  04:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hard Rock?

Hmmm I don't think Linkin Park could be considered Hard Rock. I can't even think of one song that is hard rock, besides Crawling, but that's pushing it. But then again, this will probably be changed soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.200 (talk) 16:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Yea I think that needs to be changed, seeing as they really can't be determined as "Hard Rock".It just doesn't fit them. Mr. GreenHit Me UpUserboxes 16:58, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
There are some RS's that refer to LP as Hard Rock, [6][7][8].
--  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  19:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I found sources from YouTube. [9] --- Volkov talk 18:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Youtube isn't a reliable source. And neither are those other sources since those articles have been made by someone so it is biased...Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 19:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
The latter portion of that statement makes no sense; a) all articles/sources are biased to an extent b) most sources are usually created by people ;) --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  20:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Lol thats true sorry. I had a history exam earlier its making me think about sources and usefullness and bias and everything! But anyway they aren't as reliable as other sources, like Allmusic or NME. Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 21:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually, some editors do not regard Allmusic as an RS when it comes to labeling Genres (See latest archive), which makes no sense to me since Featured Articles like Slayer and Pink Floyd use it source their genres. :p -  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  21:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah i guess its a matter of opinion really. As most people know, Allmusic does have a tendency to mix up genres, such as using death and black metal as the same thing. But still, to Wikipedia it is one of the most reliable sources on music :P Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 21:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Points of Authority on Hybrid Theory is a single!!!

I don't understand why Points of Authority isn't listed as a single. They even made a video for it. Sometimes it even plays on Fuse's Loaded, and it's on Frat Party at the Pankake Festival.. So can anybody explain this to me? I'm a monkeys uncle if this isn't a single, and no, I'm not confused with the reanimation version, I know that's also a single. However, I am, 99% certain that Points of Authority is a single. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.198 (talk) 05:12, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it was actually released as a single. It's just a well known song of theirs that they happen to have made a video for. There are also videos for each song off of reanimation, but there are only 3 singles off it (Enth E Nd, Frgt/10, Pts.Of.Athrty). 70.106.116.118 (talk) 03:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I believe you're correct. Videos don't necessarily = singles. Parsecboy (talk) 03:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)