Talk:Lingerie Football League

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[edit] Cleanup tag for Lingerie Football League

Hi Delta Tango, you taged LFL for cleanup... can you specify the kind of cleanup, the article needs? Thanks!

Weapon X (de) 02:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Well. It could use one or more sections and the "with lots of pictures" comment behind the external links seems out of place. And I think the article could describe critiscm the league has received if noticeable. I must admit that one of my reasons for saying this is, is a slightly bad conscience from having been forced to revert this edit. Though I'll leave it here to be decided by others. Delta Tango | Talk 11:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC) (above copied from my talk page)


Cleanup steps to do:
  • More sections: Do you mean adding section headlines or complete sections?
  • Section Headlines: I could try to find some section headlines, but the article isn't that long yet...
  • Complete Sections: I would love to write more, as long as I get valuable info that's worth to be added into the article... (but I think that's more a (stub) expanding job than a cleanup job)
  • Out of place comment: I agree, at first glance, a link comment like "with lots of pictures" on an article about Woman playing football in Lingerie tricots could feel a bit out of place. But this comments partly were added by following Wikipedia "Manual of Style" (see Talk:Lingerie Bowl). I will try to replace the comments with a more meaningful comment, not only explaining, why a link was added (pictures), but also why the pictures could be "neutral and accurate material".
In this case the links lead to pages which had lots of info, but the sites are in Italian, so only a minority can actually understand them (exactly). But the sites have also material, which can be understood from every one: pictures... they were helpful in completing the lineups (incl. numbers) for the teams (for example Jerilee Woodford = Jerilee Villanueva). Also, it's a good way to document tricot changes over the years.
By the way: The LFL was not founded to discredit woman sports or woman at all. The woman playing in this "league" are not football players forced to wear lingerie (or other short clothes) like for examle people at official beach volleyball matches. These are professional models and/or actresses, who like to show their body and at the same time enjoy sport. (Though every one who saw the games must admit that the players were taking this sport seriously.) It's only a variation of a sport, not a new definition of Woman Football. And everyone who has a problem with links which lead to sites in which woman are shown in revealing lingerie tricots in an article about Lingerie(!) Football is misunderstanding something, that's my opinion.
  • Criticism: As mentioned before, sources are welcome! If someone can name a noticeable source, I'll be glad to insert them into the article. I searched the web and found very few pages about LFL, most official articles were outdated. The only critisism I found was here at Wikipedia in form of article vandalism (to the point of deleting the whole articles), which I reverted without extensive comment.
Weapon X (de) 11:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Deleted image galleries

The following image galleries of team logos were removed by Osgoodelawyer because "fair use logos ... only allowed on articles for the teams themselves".

I can remember something like that, but can't find the place where it was written.. can somebody help? - Weapon X (de) 14:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair use images have to have a fair use rationale for each use on the image description page. This often this isn't followed for logos, since logos are basically always usable on pages for the organization or company in question (unlike photos, which really need a detailed explanation of why a non-commercial image of the subject could not be found). However, use anywhere else would fail the fair use criteria since it would not contribute significantly to the article (it's just decoration, which is a no-no). Clearly this is the case, since the articles for all the major sports leagues lack team logos.
Policy point 9 at WP:FU says you can't put these logos here either (even temporarily). I have removed the first four since they are already used on the articles for the teams, and so aren't in danger of deletion. The other four have to go as well—just save them yourself if you feel they're going to be deleted, and if you create pages for those teams, you can put them on them as well. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 15:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Mmh, so I also removed the second one on this talk page and made team articles (only stubs, because their isn't that much information available yet) where I placed the team logos. However, possibly another wikipedian oder admin will tag these articles as being "proposed to be merged" with the LFL article, because they haven't much info, so we will start from the beginning...
And can you please let me know, where to find the policy (or something like that) so I can read it completely and if neccessary fall back on it, when I need to.
Another question: If I'll get the permission of the logo owner, to show the logos also on the league-article, would that make a difference? - Greetings Weapon X (de) 15:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure about the legality of what you're proposing. I would assume that if you got permission and sent that permission to Wikimedia by following the procedure at WP:COPYREQ, then you could include the logos on the league article. But I'm not certain, since such images on Wikipedia are usually allowed through the owner licencing the images under GFDL or some other copyleft licence, and the league is obviously not going to do that (it would mean others could take those logos and use them for their own purposes, including making money off them). I would suggest you ask somewhere at WP:RFCA (probably Wikipedia talk:Copyrights). └ OzLawyer ┐ 15:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the references! - Weapon X (de) 17:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)