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[edit] Jag Memos

I considered posting a link to the memos at http://balkin.blogspot.com/jag.memos.pdf , but considered that making this only the 2nd external link might be considered a violation of NPOV. (Full disclosure: I'm a great admirer of Sen. Graham because of his actions in this area.) You can read more background about why these are significant primary sources at http://balkin.blogspot.com/2005/07/heroes-of-pentagons-interrogation.html - I suppose the might be more relevant to a page about criticism of US interrogation tactics than to Sen. Graham's article. - PhilipR 15:44, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] JAG Memo Link: Why not?

Phillip R.,

Posting the link to the Jag Memos would not a problem becasue Sen. Graham is a Jag and was instrumental in getting them released. Just because you are a great admirere of Sen. Graham (as I also am) that does not make it a non-neutral post. It could be linked to both the page on Senator Graham and a page on US interrogation tactics.

Now posting a link to my own website would an NPOV violation because one of the sites is basically a site for supporters (http://grahamsgrassroots.tripod.com) and the other while not as blatant may also be becasue it is a blog that catalogs news stories (http://lindseygraham.blogspot.com) about Sen. Graham.

Judy

[edit] More information

I have constructed a biography of Sen. Graham from several sources and was wondering how best to incorporate the information into the article. For example I am aware of all the committeess he has served weather it be in the SC House, US House, or US Senate. I am also knowledgeable about the jobs government positions he held while he was in private practice, as well as other facts.

[edit] Graham is still on court

Graham also has the distinction of serving in Congrss and being on the Air Force Court of Criminal appeals. https://afcca.law.af.mil/content/resources_filter.php?parent=12&content=103 (see panel 4) though there is a case pending before the Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces which argues that decisions by the panels, on which he sits are unconstitutional.

Graham has, thus far, avoided the impact of the Don't Ask Don't Tell military policy for suspicion of homosexual conduct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.131.181.242 (talk) 21:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Personal life

New person here. I wonder about the statement: "He lives with his mother and is a lifelong bachelor, causing some to question his sexuality." The first part before the comma may be a verifiable fact. The second part seems to me to be someone's speculation based on a rather tired stereotype. I would consider removing the "causing some to question his sexuality" statement, but will wait until I hear some other opinions before doing so. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arcwright (talk • contribs) 21:54, January 21, 2006.

You are correct. It is now gone. In the future, be bold and feel free to fix stuff like this yourself. --rogerd 02:59, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Being from Columbia, I can attest that the phrase "causing some to question his sexuality" isn't factual. Not because people don't question his sexuality, but because it's been pretty widely rumored for some time, and his living circumstances seem to be effects, not causes. The phrase isn't an attack on Graham, it's a statement which reflects the issues in his life. Considering the Cary Grant entry devotes 1/3 of the page to speculation about his sexuality (and he was married 4 times), this phrase seems wildly appropriate.--24.196.175.110 09:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Questions about Sen. Graham's sexual preferences, specifically, the long-standing rumors of his homosexuality should be included in the article. This Senator has consistently spoken and voted against equal rights for homosexuals, something that should be noted, given his personal life.Papagoose (talk) 19:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please review Joe Wilson (U.S. politician)

Jimbo Wales has requested that we try to improve Joe Wilson (U.S. politician) for the reasons he stated on Talk:Joe Wilson (U.S. politician). I put in a few hours but can't think of anything else, except a photo or two which we are unlikely to get permissions for over the weekend. Please see if you can improve the article any further. --James S. 10:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Censure hearing confontation with John Dean

This was a historic moment [1], and Graham's inept, ignorant, and mean-spirited questioning of John Dean deserves mention in the article.

[edit] Edits by 72.242.65.58

The continued anonymous, uncommented edits by User:72.242.65.58 violate WP:NPOV. Each time I (or another editor) tried to remove them, they were reverted. I feel I cannot revert any further, without shattering the 3RR policy. I'm hoping other editors might agree and work to ensure this article remains WP:NPOV. To me, this would be a neutral mention of Graham's position on S.1033:

Graham is a cosponsor of S. 1033, which would make it possible for illegal aliens to pay tax penalties and eventually (after a few years) become citizens (supposing that they meet a number of other criteria).

Any other language ends up being POV. --mtz206 (talk) 19:27, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I deleted the entire mention of this bill. His position on one bill out of hundreds (thousands?) is not notable for specific mention. --mtz206 (talk) 21:24, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
It is my belief that edits like this one [2] show this user's intentions to only be for trolling and vandalism. I think you're pretty justified in reverting it as vandalism, which is not counted against 3RR. --Llort 17:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, I agree. Syrthiss 17:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sexuality

It is often whispered in South Carolina politics that Lindsey Graham is a closeted homosexual, especially since he has never married. In so conservative a state it is doubtlessly an important issue to be discussed, yet the article has little to say about it. Are there any sources to fuel the speculation? can a new section of paragraph be added?

I have a friend in Charleston who swears he saw Graham out at a gay bar (I'm sure after he was soused), but that's hardly enough to start writing anything. It would be irresponsible and, in my humble opinion, look somewhat politically motivated, to speculate on something that would be extremely damaging to him professionally, when no real evidence exists. Now, should any pictures surface, mention should be made, but as someone who lives in South Carolina, I am aware that the ultra-conservatives are trying to whisper such rumors to discredit him so that he might lose to a more conservative challenger (Ravenel possibly?) in the next Republican Senate primary. --Chuchunezumi 21:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I'll add my concern about your goal of "fueling the speculation"; that's decidedly not our goal, and not what citations are supposed to accomplish. MisfitToys 19:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

This is not a tabloid and it is wholly inappropriate and unencyclopedic to spend an entire paragraph addressing an item of gossip. It seems completely in violation of NPOV, and it is most certainly potentially libelous. A blog quotation is not adequate to source this nonsense. Furthermore, the prolific use of weasel words showed the lack of integrity to this paragraph. I have removed it, and insist that anything in this vein be properly sourced, or I will remove it according to the Wikipedia policy on the biographies of living persons. Chuchunezumi 20:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

As per Wikipedia policy WP:BLP, you would need a substantial body of rumor to exist in published media to support even a short paragraph saying that people 'suspected him of being gay. You would need even more, and it must be from very reliable sources, to actually support a paragraph claiming that he was gay. - perfectblue 11:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Political Demise?

Judging by the letters to the editor in upstate newspapers, Graham's stance on amnesty for illegal aliens has ended much of his support in this part of the state. Appearing to be a good friend of Ted Kennedy hasn't helped him either. People are very angry with his "to hell with everybody" attitude toward the voters. If the democrats can find a challenger that is half way electable I believe he/she would receive a huge protest vote in 2008 particularly if the amnesty bill passes. I predict other republicans are going to suffer from the back blast.

It would be interesting to hear how he is perceived in other parts of the state.

Well this page [3] describes why this article has been the subject of vandalism of late. -- Fuzheado | Talk 12:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I believe it is important to note that Graham has a current challenger. Tim Carnes; http://www.carnesforsenate.com/ this campign is gaining strength and support across the state. The desire to replace Graham remains high among the Republicans I have spoken to as I campaign across the state. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TimCarnes (talk • contribs) 15:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is he still in the Reserve?

"While in the Air Force Standby Reserve, Graham served as an appellate judge on the Air Force Court of Criminal Appeals. In September 2006 the United States Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces ruled that it was a violation of the Incompatibility Clause of the Constitution, which states that "no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office", for Graham to have been a judge on the criminal appeals court."

Ok but is he still in the Reserve or was his discharged? Thoughtman 18:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks like I got my answer.

http://www.drudge.com/news/97928/reservist-senator-serves-two-weeks-iraq

Though to be fair his serving in Iraq while a Senator seems illegal. Thoughtman 17:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)