Talk:Lincoln Highway

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 Lincoln Highway was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Reviewed version: November 12, 2006
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[edit] Routing Information Incorrect?

The route of the Lincoln on this page does not match the article that it is linked to, specifically in Illinois. the lincoln NEVER entered Chicago or Illinois on Route 20, as far as I know. It entered on Sauk Trail first, then U.S. Route 30 where it crosses the border between Indiana and Illinois.

I will change this information myself soon unless someone contradicts me.

[edit] Problem with External Link

On Jan 22, 2007, the link given as 1915 Video of Opening of Lincoln Highway points to www.wikipedia-mirror.co.za/lincolnhighway which produced an apparently random page that is nothing to do with Lincoln Highway and is different with every reload. For that reason I deleted it. At a later date, if anyone reading this discussion clicks the link in this paragraph and finds it is working, it should be restored. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.133.128.60 (talk) 11:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Marion Ohio Spur

Any thought of given space to discuss the 1920s attempted move of the road from its intended path from Galion, Ohio to Lima, Ohio via Marion, Ohio (Ohio Route 309)? Stu 20:09, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Washington?

[1][2] would have used Bladensburg Turnpike from Baltimore - Maryland Avenue (began at Bladensburg) - somehow to Potomac Park past the Lincoln Memorial - somehow to Rockville Pike (Wisconsin Avenue from Georgetown) to Gettysburg --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 15:55, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1924 changes

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[edit] Nebraska

Route before relocated next to the Union Pacific Railroad
  • Douglas Street Bridge in Omaha
  • Valley to Fremont on 276th Street - Pawnee Road? - 288th Street? - Dutch Hall Road - Old Highway 8

[edit] State highway numbers

[edit] Cleanup

I didn't post the cleanup template, but I think this article is getting too big and needs to be broken up. If no one objects, I will try to do this in a couple of days. There should be a much shorter route description with a seperate article for the more detailed information. I had also considered starting a seperate article for the Lincoln Highway Association. If it can be fleshed out, I will try to do this also.Rt66lt 01:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Went ahead and created new article and moved routing information there.Rt66lt 01:52, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

For a few weeks over in my sandbox I've been paraphrasing and revising the Weingroff history article that drew the cleanup tag. In the next few minutes I'm going to nuke the History section and replace it with my version (scary, but it seems the right thing to do). It should bring the article length down to around 24K, much closer to the WP:SIZE happy zone. —RandallJones 01:22, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

There are two references to "BPR", apparently w/o antecedents. If the meaning is known, could it be included in the article? (If I've just missed it..., well, sorry.) PeteJacobsen 29 June 2006

Added "(BPR)" at first use. —RandallJones 20:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current definition in Illinois

[4] --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 16:24, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Notable" local streets for Category:Lincoln Highway

San Francisco
East Bay
Sacramento
Omaha-Council Bluffs
Clinton-Fulton
Canton
  • Tuscarawas Street
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia
Trenton
Newark
  • Frelinghuysen Avenue
  • Broad Street
  • Market Street
Jersey City
New York

[edit] Indiana

[5] --SPUI (T - C) 21:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map

Could one of our resident Wikipedia cartologists draw up a map of this highway? That would be a great addition to the article. NTK 17:16, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Contact Paul Gilger at gilger@sonic.net. He is the Lincoln Highway association cartologist and has just completed the first ever electronic Lincoln Highway map available online using DeLorme mapping. It covers all 7700 miles of all alignments.

[edit] GA comments

I note that this article is almost entirely sourced from the (presumably non-copyrighted) Federal Highway Administration essay linked to at the bottom of the page. I assume that this is acceptable, although it would be nice to see a little more original work put into the article.

It is definitely woefully under-referenced. There are quite a few direct quotations and mentions of sources that have no citations, and in order to reach GA status, all of these really need to be cited.

There's also a picture that's currently covering the table of contents, and needs to be moved. MLilburne 12:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA failure

I’m sorry, but I must fail this article’s GA nomination. There are a number of problems, as per What is a good article? that keep Lincoln Highway from being a Good Article.

  • 2: This article is, as MLilburne accurately states above, "woefully under-referenced". For an article of this length to have only five references and one additional source is unacceptable if an article is to be rated as a GA or higher. Huge portions of the article are completely unsourced, so how can the reader know that sections such as "Federal highways" or "Since 1940" are even remotely factual? Heck, the first sentence of "History" states that "In 1912, America's highways were just emerging from fifty years of extremely slow growth." According to whom? There's also an external jump to the Portland Cement Association for no particular reason.
  • 6: While there is no direct violation of the image criteria as stated in WP:WIAGA, per se, there are problems with the images. For one, there are far too many images. The different highways that partly make up Lincoln Highway do not need their own images, especially in the lead. There’s a photo covering the Table of Contents, which is obviously a huge issue. The panoramic image of the highway’s route simply distracts from the article. One image near the bottom of the article has been deleted.

Good luck on this article and all other editing, and I hope the problems I have mentioned above can be fixed. -- Kicking222 14:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First Highway...?

Was the Lincoln Highway first or the Yellowstone Trail? (http://www.yellowstonetrail.org/id2.htm) Would the question be one of semantics? Long sections of neither roadway would have, by today's standards, been considered a “highway” for decades. There does not seem to be an article in the Wikipedia on the Yellowstone Trail (which was meant more as an auto highway than what we would today understand by a trail...)


The question of the "first highway" is nearly impossible to determine. There were roads (which could be called "highways") in colonial times and before. The REAL question is what was the first transcontinental highway--one that goes from coast to coast. The Lincoln Highway claims this status--but some others say the Yellowstone Trail might've been first. As per Brian Butko's book on the Lincoln Highway, the Yellowstone Trail's (YT) first goal when it was established in 1912 was to "establish and map a route from Minneapolis/St. Paul to Yellowstone Park" and it was only in 1914 when the group (the Yellowstone Trail Associaton or YTA) began to consider making the YT a coast-to-coast route. In 1915 the YT connected Chicago and Seattle--still not transcontinental. On January 14, 1917 the YTA announced that their trail was finally a transcontinetal route--"From Plymouth Rock to Puget Sound"

Meanwhile, the Lincoln Highway Association (LHA) formed in 1913 and marked the highway throughout 1914--while the YT was still just a (comparatively) short link between Minneapolis and Yellowstone.

Hope this helps clear up your confusion.

Besides, there's no contradiction in claims. The weblink listed above starts off with the following claim: "The Yellowstone Trail was the first transcontinental automobile highway in the United States through the northern tier of states" (emphasis added). This means that they're not claiming to be the first, but rather, the first through the northern reaches of the US. Unschool 02:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

What about the Old National Trails Road? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Old_Trails_Highway gives an "established" date of 1912; before the date on this page for the Lincoln Highway. While that article states that the route wasn't determined for some period of time; this appears to be the case for the Lincoln Highway as well. Since a precise claim in either case might be hard to verify, shouldn't this article say "one of the first transcontinental highways"? Jpgs (talk) 19:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 1891 Mississippi River bridge

Wagon Bridge, Fulton, Illinois (1891)
Wagon Bridge, Fulton, Illinois (1891)

I found the photo Wagon_Bridge_Fulton_Illinois_1891.jpg, but that's all I know about it. It fits the location and timing for the Lincoln Highway bridge across the Mississippi, but didn't want to attach that photo to the article without someone else judging if it might be the Highway's bridge. I already attached the photo to the article for the current Highway bridge there, as that bridge mentions what is probably this 1891 bridge, but this Highway article is a little removed from that topic so didn't want to tinker here. -- SEWilco (talk) 03:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)