User talk:Like.liberation

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Smee 19:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Advice on User:COFS

I noticed some uncivil responses from this user on the Talk:Youth for Human Rights International page. Feel free to post any such repeated offenses to WP:AN/I.--Fahrenheit451 21:00, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. I'm still getting a feel for the rules. Like.liberation 07:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your Recent Edit

Your recent [revert] on the Youth for Human Rights International deleted grammar, spelling and readability changes that were made by a previously uninvolved and neutral third party editor. Wholesale reverts can be destructive and can inadvertently remove spelling, grammar and readability changes made by other editors. Please use reverts sparingly as a sign of respect to other editors who have attempted to help improve the article. Thank you. Lsi john 13:17, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I apologize, LSI john. I felt many of your edits omitted relevant information. Our difference of opinion over what is relevant, I think, was why I reverted. Like.liberation 07:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] YHRI article

Where in the reference does it say this: "A French human rights commission submitted to the Assemblee nationale in December 2006 a report including testimony of abuses on Scientology's part that harmed the physical and mental health of children."? Makoshack 10:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

The testimony is scattered throughout the document, which is itself the report submitted to the Assemblee nationale.Like.liberation 11:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

That does not answer the question, does it? Could you at least name the "french human rights commission" and give me the page number of the "abuses"? Makoshack 01:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

It does, if you would read the source. The name is on the first page: "AU NOM DE LA COMMISSION D’ENQUÊTE relative à l’influence des mouvements à caractère sectaire et aux conséquences de leurs pratiques sur la santé physique et mentale des mineurs." Can you read French? I will translate this bit for you. "In the name of the investigative commission regarding the influence of sects and the consequences of their practices on the physical and mental health of minors." The president of the commission is a member of the French parliament, the commission was official, and the report was submitted to the Assemblee nationale.

There is this exchange on page 26, between Jacques Remillier, a member of the commission, and Roger Gonnet, ex-head of the Scientology office in Lyon:

S’agissant des mineurs dont les parents appartiennent à la Scientologie, M. Roger Gonnet a indiqué que certains enfants peuvent être appelés au service de commandement central de la Scientologie (la Sea Org) dès l’âge de six ans : « Certains enfants peuvent être en poste dès l’âge de six ans. Ils font un très grand nombre d’heures, en transportant des papiers. À partir d’un certain âge, ils sont susceptibles d’être envoyés dans le goulag de la Scientologie, le RPF : Redemption Project Force. Il y en a à Hemet, à Los Angeles, à Clearwater en Floride ; il y en a un au Danemark, en Angleterre et vraisemblablement en Australie.

M. Jacques REMILLER : Qu’y fait-on ?

M. Roger GONNET : Cinq heures de bourrage de crâne quotidien, plus dix heures de travail. On court sans arrêt. On n’a pas le droit à la radio, à la télévision, aux journaux. Dans la plupart des cas, les gens ne peuvent plus voir leurs enfants, leur femme ou leur mari, etc. Ils ne peuvent pas sortir tant que ce n’est pas fini ; cela peut durer des années. »

Do you understand that? Gonnet testifies that some children are sent to serve at Sea Org at RPF sites from the age of six. He says they are subject to ten hours of work per day, plus five hours of brainwashing. He says they are not allowed access to newspapers, radio or television. Most important of all, he says that their parents are limited in if not denied all access to them. "They can't leave until they've finished; that can take years."

On page 35, Gonnet says that children are interrogated with Security checks especially designed for minors between the ages of six and 12. On pages 84-5, he describes the dangers of Narcanon for adolescents. The last Narcanon in France closed in 1984 after one of the patients died. This assertion was also reported in a French magazine, L'Expresse: Article du 3 août 2006 de Mme Solenne Durox « Sectes : d’une drogue à l’autre ». I hope that satisfies your curiosity. In any case, it backs up my statements on the YHRI page.Like.liberation 10:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] your recent edit

Like.liberation, I believe you have mis-read or mis-interpreted Krator's 3O.

His suggestion clearly allowed for multiple tags and stated that it was only an opinion, not mandatory wiki policy, that only one tag be used. He also clearly stated that, unless the editor was inactive, article tags should be removed by the editor who placed them, not another individual.

Your edit [here] was in direct contradiction to his recommendation.

In fact, Krator [reverted] Smee for doing exactly the same thing, only 4 edits before you.

You most likely read too quickly and did not grasp the entire 3O as it was presented. Please be more careful in the future lest your conduct be construed as rude and offensive.

After taking time to consider the tags, I would like to make a change from how the tags were. But if I do that before you revert yourself, it could be perceived as edit-warring and I wish to avoid that.

In good-faith, I respectfully request that you revert your own edit and replace the tags as they were.

Peace-in-God. Lsi john 17:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

It appears that a subsequent edit, by another user, has re-added one of the tags.. so my request is moot at this point.

Thanks again. Peace in God.

-john Lsi john 18:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the notification

• Your article is a great start. Good job with the reputable citations. Smee 11:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
  • I expanded it a touch, added a few more citations, and added the infobox with some fields inputted. Smee 13:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] DYK

On 25 May 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Scientology Task Force of the Hamburg Interior Authority, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BigHaz - Schreit mich an 05:15, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

• Congratulations! You did a good job with sourcing on the article. Is this your first "Did you know?" recognition? Smee 05:26, 25 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Did you know...

... that you could use one of the following userboxes on your User page? Let me know if you are confused as to how to utilize them:

1. -- {{User DYK}} -- Userbox, for users that have authored X articles on DYK.
2. -- {{User Did You Know}} -- Userbox, highlights an individual DYK article created by a user.

Yours, Smee 06:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] three revert rule violation

You have breached the three revert rule on Youth_for_Human_Rights_International. Only the absence of a warning and your relative inexperience as a user saved you from a block. Please do not engage in edit warring. There is no reason why you can't let article content ride while you discuss it on the talk page. Next time you will be blocked. Spartaz ^Humbug! 19:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)