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I have a few issues with this. Firstly the Lickey Ridge is much larger than anything which can be called the Lickey Hills. The ridge runs right down almost to Bromsgrove, miles from anywhere that might be called the Lickey Hills. For this reason I would argue that 'Lickey Hills' actually *is* the country park, nothing more (that certainly is the only way I have ever heard it used), and the geological information should be in the arcticle about the ridge.

Your edits seem to imply there is a non-descript general area called the Lickey Hills, I am not sure what this refers to beyond the Lickey Hills Country Park.

In either case I have a lot of material about the history of the country park (and the golf club) as a place where the people of Birmingham went on days out, as well as details about the Lickey Beacon (which is with the hills) and the Earl of Plymouths obelisk (which is also within the Hills country park).

I intend to flesh out the article about the Lickey Hills Country park with some scans of picture postcards and a few details about the tea rooms, the Cadbury connection etc.

My second issue, which again is one of article naming disambiguation, is that the Lickey Incline is NOT within the Lickey Hills, it runs down the ridge from Blackwell to Bromsgrove- it is located at least 2 miles from the Lickey Hills. This is factual inaccuracy in the article you can check on the map or by having a drive down there.

The problem is that 'the lickey incline runs through the hills' does not reflect reality. Better to have an expanded article about the incline in my view, and link to it from the Hills article. Then have one overarching article about the ridge discussing the geology.

Thoughts? Leonig Mig 12:27, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think it's a multiple usage problem. A look at the birmimgham.gov.uk pages shows there's "Lickey Hills", singular, the well-defined park; "the Lickey Hills" (aka the Lickeys"), plural, an ill-defined geographical region (see [1]); and a deal of slippage between the two. Maps don't seem terribly consistent; on my AZ (uncertain date), the caption "Lickey Hills" specifically labels the Lickey Ridge. Difficult. RayGirvan 10:55, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ray's observation certainly reflects local usage, in my experience. Andy Mabbett 11:15, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I just had a look at Old Maps - very nice online reprint of the 1887-1893 OS maps - this link is to the first L of Lickey Hills. On these, "Lickey Hills" again labels specifically the Rednal, Blueberry and Cofton Hills, so I assume that's the original geographical use. The geology link explicitly defines "Lickey Ridge" as that same line of quartzite hills. The Lickey Incline has nothing to do with this, but goes up over the Bunter formation of which Beacon Hill is part. RayGirvan 18:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Interesting, I wonder if there is a general name which could be given to the overall bunch of hills; not only the Lickeys, but the Bunter formations and the hills around Wheeley Farm also- they are clearly part of an interrelated geological (glacial?) process. Leonig Mig 13:29, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've been thinking about this and it would be perhaps foolish to forget the "Lickey Woods" as a possible source of the name. The wooded area of region is pretty contiguous with the area people generally refer 'the Lickeys". Leonig Mig 01:00, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Could be. On the earlier matter, I skimmed some maps and my geological books today, and can find no generic name for the upland (for want of a better word) that extends as a ridge all the way from Clent, via Beacon Hill, to Blackwell. RayGirvan 01:17, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You will then both know that the Lickey Incline passes one and a half miles away from any part of the Lickey Hills (ill-defined-geographic area). Therefore whoever keeps reverting 'runs through' should cease as this is false. Leonig Mig 11:44, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Coston / Cofton ?

Talking of Old-Maps, have you noticed that Cofton used to be Coston? -- RHaworth 01:00, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)

Yes: the Cofton Hackett page mentions that it was "Coston Hvckett" in the Domesday, but I didn't realise the change was so recent. The dual usage is interesting. It's not a standard phonetic drift - could typography have had some influence?

(Very nice links - I hadn't worked out the code to access an Old-Maps page). RayGirvan 02:19, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Coston to Cofton

That will have come from a simple hand copying error at some stage in the past. The old English S looks like a modern day f and similar transmogrifications of village names have happened over the centuries all over the country. I am currently writing my autobiography and had just mentioned walks at the Lickeys in the early 1950s (must have been before 1953 because I remember travelling to Rednal on the tram), collecting bilberrys for pies each autumn and sledging down Beacon Hill in the endless snows of winter. 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 00:13, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] General Question

I've just added a photo to the page, can someone in the know get rid of the awful black boundary around it, it looks awful. Thanks! Cls 23:48, 1st August 2006