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Contents 1 Sure-to-be trivia section 2 Episode's title 3 summary 4 Request 5 Any major cultural references? 6 Day after tomorrow 7 Image 8 Reference descriptions 9 Why Angelina Jolie? 10 The shampoo 11 "This is the third time...." 12 Dick Cheney 13 Goofs 14 For the love of everything holy people... 15 Episode image 16 Gaia hypothesis and/or Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within 17 A Bug's Life and/or Antz 18 No original research, no excessive images 19 Subplot? 20 Trivia 21 Jesus on the fly's belly 22 Fair use rationale for Image:Cartmanblowtorch.jpg

[edit] Sure-to-be trivia section

Please remember to avoid a trivia section. Any information posted under a trivia section must be factual.

----Keep in mind, however, that "trivia" content is not exempt from our rules and style guidelines. Wikipedia is not a dumping ground for speculation, rumor, hearsay, invented "facts".

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ssault (talk • contribs) 20:33, 18 March 2007.

Another thing, why is it important that this is the first episode with lice as important characters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ssmeelink (talk • contribs) 21:14, 21 March 2007.

I'm pretty sure that the soap-in-socks is a reference to a blanket party from I believe Full Metal Jacket. I'm not sure about this though. Of course, no blanket was used in the ep Nate1152 04:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Why do some episodes have the stupid "No trivia" tag and others don't? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.250.75.23 (talk) 20:04, 22 March 2007

I'm pretty sure that the Help me, Help me is a reference to Robocop.I've added it for 3 times now and it keeps being ereased. [[User:Sebastiaanj]

"Pretty sure" doesn't cut it, and it appears no one else shares your interpretation. Everything needs to be verifiable, and traced back to a specific citation. Eventually, once the edit wars settle down, all of the unverifiable trivia or other guesswork will be elided. Captain Infinity 11:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

The "blanket party" is something common to military lore and recruit training for years. No reason to single out FMJ as the source of that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.246.149.92 (talk) 07:04, 25 March 2007

[edit] Episode's title

The episode's title is more likely to be a reference to The Ice Capades than a reference to the word poopscapade(which is probably also a reference to ice capades) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.81.27.7 (talk) 16:49, 21 March 2007

The episode title is most likely a reference to 'The Ice Capades', but a poopscapade is nothing more than a combination of the word Escapade and the word poop. NeoApocalypse 07:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] summary

DO NOT COPY TEXT FROM OTHER WEBSITES! Irish rover 01:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

who. u ppl work reel fast. 10 minutes ago this page was practically blankI am Paranoid 02:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Add soemthing about the ending with Angelina Jolie. --Xcrissxcrossx 02:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Aren't the "lice" in Angelina Jo Lee's crotch actually crabs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ssmeelink (talk • contribs) 21:25, 21 March 2007.

What about pubic lice? Jmlk17 05:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

And add something about Al Gore and his film. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.127.5.37 (talk) 21:26, 21 March 2007

I don't think Al Gore had anything to do with it. All of the environmental references were in light of Deep Ecology or Gaia Theory —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 148.61.208.29 (talk) 22:27, 21 March 2007

[edit] Any major cultural references?

Well, that's the worst episode since A Million Little Fibers. I thought it would be something about Britney Spears. The plot is not based on any cultural reference? That's weird. Lantios 03:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• The concept of the lice living with the "planet" instead of on it, it bears resemblance to one of the main lessons of the anime Eureka Seven. RogueJedi86 04:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• Stephen Hawking has said that the human race will be extinct in the next thousand years unless we can colonize space, echoing the "scientist," —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.56.59.115 (talk) 23:07, 21 March 2007

[edit] Day after tomorrow

It’s quite obvious that this episode is making fun of the "Day After Tomorrow". That is with the lice and the vice president of the lice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.80.25.72 (talk) 03:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

Maybe to you. I could easily say that it was in support of "Day After Tomorrow" since in the end the hero louse was right. Its odd, Matt and Trey usually take a stand on environmental issues (usually against environmentalists) but this episode took no definitive stance and didn't really mock either side of the issue. Based on the hero being portrayed so positively, I could even say this was the most pro-environmental South Park episode I've ever seen. 128.227.1.207 04:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

This one was defiantly in support of the environment. People see Matt and Trey getting more and more conservative and I see them getting more and more liberal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.56.59.115 (talk) 22:56, 21 March 2007

Don't equate conservative with anti-environment and liberal with pro-environment; it's not true. I am conservative, and we conservatives are pro-environment, but think that the most vocal part of the environmentalist movement is more concerned with politics than the environment. Global Warming Alarmism is a religion! Aside from that, it's true the main louse was the "hero" of the story, and appears to have been right. He was not right, however: His theory was that the lice were ruining the "planet," and causing the environmental disaster. The disaster had nothing to do with their activities, it was simply because they were there. The disaster was externally caused (insecticide shampoo). This could be interpreted (perhaps accurately, perhaps not) as saying that "global warming is real, but it's not our fault, it's the sun." Definately this wasn't a great episode, merely entertaining.Professor Chaos 19:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure more liberal as much as more open to the idea that recent environmental change is human caused. This is quite a change from ManBearPig. I would argue that by using the lice, Matt and Trey trivialize what humans can actually do - we may be at the mercy of the environment as the lice are to Rid-X.--128.120.170.218 08:37, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

This episode has to do with environment what Christianity has to do with hopscotch. The story is much closer to the unnatural disaster/post-apocalypse genera. This is a parody of many sci-fi stories which feature a sentient "planet." It is reminiscent (although not necessarily based on) Twilight Zone episodes, Solaris, Blue Gender, the Final Fantasy noted elsewhere -- even Planet of the Apes. The themes don't jive with other South Park environmental themes because this isn't about the environment. The "planet" is alive. 68.251.149.248 06:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a parody...not not be taken in serious context. I highly doubt Matt and Trey are making an environmental statement though the plights of lices. Jumping cheese ^Cont@ct 12:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image

I just changed the promo picture to an actual screen capture of the same scene as real pictures are obviously preferable to promotional pictures that were never in the actual episode. I took the screen capture myself. XVertigox 11:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Added higher res picture of the lice. Also has both Travis and Kelly facing the camera. XVertigox 20:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference descriptions

Can we keep some of the references short and sweet (preferably with links.) If you are unsure about it, don't put it in. Also please keep in mind that not everyone is aware of previous SP episodes and references etc, so this information needs to be included. Gaijin84 16:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The matrix reference from the fly carrying off the lice is not in any way similar. It is only LOTR, matrix just doesn't fit. After all, Neo was dead in the end altogether and the way it all went down in teh episode is just near mirror to LOTR. I am going to delete it, I hope you see.--WhereAmI 16:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Its a clear LOTR reference. I've also re-edited the synopis, it had some annoying over-elborate commas and bits that needed to be reworded and changed so it could be understood a little better. Gaijin84 17:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, there are several trivia facts that should be "may be a reference to" rather than "is a reference to." Secondly, there are some sloppy grammatical constructions, such as "When Cartman tell's..." Thirdly, the reference to the Gaia hypothesis is only partially true, as a true Gaia hypothesis would involve the lice working as part of the planetary organism, by definition. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.106.204.194 (talk) 11:54, 22 March 2007

May have been a reference to Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, where the Gaia theory is mocked by evil politician man asking if he could harm the Earth by firing his gun into the ground. That's a long-shot, though; who knows if they've even watched that movie.Professor Chaos 19:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The "help me, help me" is definitely from THE FLY. Watch that movie and hear the line. It is same intonation and also from an insect. This is a well-known line that is almost stereotypical within Hollywood. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.246.149.92 (talk) 07:20, 25 March 2007

[edit] Why Angelina Jolie?

Does anybody know why matt and trey have chosen angelina jolie to make fun of? are there any current references or something? thx. --85.181.79.101 20:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Because Trey and Matt like to make pot shots at actors and actresses for no reason. That's what they do. Lol. Toastypk 20:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Because she turned them down once. Do you blame her?

-G —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 22:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

Just because it's funny? Maybe a hint on her private issues?

Because she's a whore? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.239.1 (talk) 12:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The shampoo

... Why was it an ooze instead of a foam? Clyde sucks at washing his hair... How can you even avoid lathering like that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 16:43, 22 March 2007

[edit] "This is the third time...."

Anything starting with the words "this is the (insert number) time that (event or person) has happend/appeared..." is unneeded. It can lead to things like "this is the 4th time that Cartman has said the word (some word)." Waste of space. Ssault 00:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dick Cheney

"In line with the Gaia hypothesis, the episode takes a shot at Vice President Dick Cheney, and his skepticism on global warming. The vice president even looked like Cheney." Whoever keeps deleting the lice vice presidents physical and behavioral resemblance to Dick Cheney, either stop doing it or state why it is not noteworthy. I'm getting sick of changing it back. There is no reason to delete this trivia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.212.252.173 (talk) 21:43, 22 March 2007

Dude, it looks nothing like Dick Cheney. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.130.133.127 (talk) 13:30, 23 March 2007

this is wikipedia, not a place for you to get your political aggression out, go yell at the White House.--Ssault 12:15, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Wrong. It looked exactly like Cheney. The hair is a dead give away. Stop editing this page just because you're a Neo Conservative and censor everything that opposes your viewpoint. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.212.252.173 (talk) 16:37, 23 March 2007

If this were allowed to stay, then we'd have to keep things like this:

• The lice in the episode resemble strongly the characters from the films A Bug's Life and Antz.
• When Travis is noticed by the lice checker and when Clyde cleans his hair, the camera movements are similar to ones on 24 (TV series)

My point is that it's impossible to know for sure what Trey and Matt are referencing (if anything). All we can do is guess.

The current consensus is that the Vice President references Raymond Becker in The Day After Tomorrow. -Maged123 00:27, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place for speculation and invented facts. Saying it was Cheney is a statement based on your own view, not the view of fact. 66.212.252.173, this is not a political forum, nor is it a place for personal attacks. --Ssault 12:15, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm really surprised there isn't more discussion about global warming in this episode and I'm surprised no one more seems to think the VP was Dick Cheney. They spent time having the main louse explain how much they were changing the Earth and you could see them tearing down hair (natural resources) but there is no mention of it in the article. Also the VP shot the female louse in the face- how are more people not seeing this? Global warming has been in the news lately because of Al Gore and the oscars and all that and I think that that is the basis for this episode. SSault, I understand why you don't want this to be a polital forum, and I agree with you, but you can't keep political references off a page when the show so frequently gets political. Atheros1 12:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

--It is speculation. Unless you have citation stating that was the intention of the show and the creators, from the show or the creators, it is speculation, which is against Wikipedia guidelines and will be deleted. There is nothing political about it, this is not my personal thing, it is speculation. It is an extremely easy rule to fallow, and to break.--Ssault 03:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Goofs

Please stop adding useless information to this area. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.212.252.173 (talk) 21:58, 22 March 2007

You mean like adding that Craig at the beginning of the Episode was told by the nurse he didn't have lice, and then at the end when Ms Garrison told the class they all had lice, Craig mentions "I thought I was the only one." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.51.41.72 (talk) 13:39, 25 March 2007

[edit] For the love of everything holy people...

The stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid trvia and culture references needs to stop...stuff like "frame 3553 of this episode seems similar to frame 4556 of such movie because they both use the color red" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ssault (talk • contribs) 14:50, 23 March 2007.

[edit] Episode image

Im curios to know if that image was an actuall screenshot from the tv broadcast or just a promotional image,because it seems too high resolution to be from the television broadcast,yet it has the distinctive look of an analog sighnal (not to mension the logo not usually not found in promotional images,like the screen of the previous episode)Rodrigue 13:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

never mind,I just read the trivia section192.30.202.20 14:38, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gaia hypothesis and/or Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within

In my opinion, the world being conscious is a clear reference to the Gaia hypothesis, specifically the one used in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. However, both references were removed. In the FF movie, the Earth was reacting to the presence of the Phantoms who were harming it as a life form. Dr. Sid theorized that the Earth was actually alive and nobody believed him, with apocalyptic results. The concept of pointing a gun to the ground and shooting actually "killing the Earth" was mentioned in FF, and in South Park the Vice President actually DID shoot the planet (Craig) and Craig got hurt a little.

Thematically the concept is very similar to FF, which should be evident to anyone who has seen the movie. Even if FF is not mentioned, I say the Gaia hypothesis definitely should be. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.22.151.55 (talk) 17:08, 24 March 2007

"The "lice" were referring to the Gaia hypothesis when they hypothesized whether their environment was a living organism and whether the harm they were doing to their environment would end up harming them." In the very least, this should remain in, as that is clearly what Matt and Try were referencing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.212.252.173 (talk) 20:39, 24 March 2007

Agree. It is defenitely a Gaia reference.71.246.149.92 13:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Definitely a Gaia reference. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.156.8.204 (talk) 08:33, 28 March 2007

[edit] A Bug's Life and/or Antz

The similarities to both moves have been added and removed at least twice. I think there is sufficient reason to believe that this episode was a nod to at least one or both of these movies. Trey and Matt are both big fans of Pixar, as they said in the Cartmanland episode's commentary. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.22.151.55 (talk) 17:11, 24 March 2007

That's speculation, which will be removed. --Ssault 00:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Many of the reference citations are speculative. This one seems reasonable. Many of the mannerisms of the insects (for instance the emphasis on romance) strongly mimic the previous "bug" movies. 71.246.149.92 13:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I never thought of that, but this might be a reference to all those bug cartoons. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bear199 (talk • contribs) 14:23, 25 March 2007.

[edit] No original research, no excessive images

I've removed all but one of the images and all the original research. —Angr 16:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I think you mean to say "I've emasculated the article and feel pretty proud of it." Captain Infinity 16:30, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Hahaha... but yeah, all the south park episode articles have at least three images on them. More need to be added. Toastypk 17:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Subplot?

Meanwhile, from on top of Clyde's head, the episode follows a subplot involving one of Clyde's lice, a louse named Travis. ---I think this was the main plot. Any thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bear199 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 25 March 2007.

I agree, The Lice story is clearly the mainplot in the episode137.224.147.76 07:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

nope. remember, this is a south park episode, not some random bug stories. so it is a subplot —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.82.78.96 (talk) 07:15, 28 March 2007

Hard to say, it reminded me of the Terrance & Phillip episode, that wasn't really a subplot, in my opinion at least. To add my 2 cents this episode gives me an idea that Matt & Trey are running out of good ideas. 68.108.153.118 06:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

nope. remember, this is a south park episode, not some random bug stories. so it is a subplot---It's the main plot. I'm going to correct the page.

[edit] Trivia

"hey, who put you in charge?"
"god! when he decided to kill my wife" *walk away very cool*

is this from a movie or something? -- Hahih 19:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah...it's on the tip of my tongue, but I can't put my finger on the specific film...grrrrr. It's definitely a parody of some film. Jumping cheese ^Cont@ct 09:37, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jesus on the fly's belly

I've just watched that section of the episode and I don't see it... I propose that this "factoid" be deleted. Observer31 00:09, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. ≈ The Haunted Angel 01:46, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

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