User talk:LibStar

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[edit] Message from Masalai

[edit] "Appropriate warning"

Thank you for your obviously well-intentioned caveat "With regard to your comments on User:Michellecrisp: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy" but it is misplaced. It is quite unnecessary, I assure you, and I have entirely backed away from any interaction with Ms Crisp, who appears to be someone who enters combat mode rather readily. It is a pity that she took my queries amiss: I inquired as to what was the nature of her special interest in Regina, Saskatchewan, given that she is in Brisbane, Australia; I wondered if, given that she is in Brisbane, Australia, she is an aboriginal Australian and if this might account for her rather unusual manner of expressing herself in English. She apparently regards this as a racist attack and it is an odd notion of racism to characterise it as such. It is nothing of the kind: I have worked for the better part of 30 years with Papua New Guineans, aboriginal Canadians and aboriginal Australians as a teacher, colleague, employer, employee and friend. Ms Crisp's English is -- well, she bristles at its being characterised as non-native or substandard; but special, at any rate, and my entirely neutral inquiry was by way of a friendly attempt to account for it. Masalai 08:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your support LibStar. I will only make one comment, the evidence is mounting of uncivil conduct. Michellecrisp 12:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seriously defective english

I think it's completely beside the point if anyones english is, infact, poor or good. In MichelleCrisps case I'm of the opinion that her english is perfectly good -- certainly much better than mine.

But even if it wasn't, the tone would be completely inacceptible. (I don't mean *your* tone, Masalais) Fixing any concrete mistakes would be fine. Even posting concrete, constructive suggestions for improvements on the user-page would be fine. (I notice you tend to sometimes write "ligth" when you really mean "light", a good rule of thumb is .....")

"Your english sucks, you must be race/ethnic-group/nationality, please improve before contributing again, good luck on adapting to the 21st century." isn't. (that wasn't the wording, but it's how it came across in my ears)

There *is* no user-warning for "Your english is too poor, please stop contributing". For good reason if you ask me. :-) --Eivind Kjørstad 07:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe I'm a weirdo, but I actively encourage people to pick on my english -- that'll help me improve afterall. But the thing is, it needs to be *constructive* picking. "Your english is substandard" is no help for me at all, and feels only like a personal attack. "I noticed that you sometimes write plaesant, the word is really 'pleasant'" is however constructive.
Oh well, there's some signs that this whole thing is calming down. I've not seen any evidence that Masalai acknowledges having been in any way rude or incivil, instead he has been telling everyone who thinks so that they must've misunderstood. Still, I won't push it, assuming he refrains from making more unacceptable comments in the future. It's possible to understand you behaved badly, but still be unwilling to actually admit it. And in this case I think it's enough. I've had a dig in the contributions, and it does not seem to be a persistent pattern of behaviour. --Eivind Kjørstad 08:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
"please give examples of Michelle's "defectiveness" through diffs": I certainly don't intend to draw out this unedifying discussion any further by providing examples of Ms C's solecisims. You can review her prose for yourself. I have attempted numerous times to draw away from it by refusing to engage with those who wish to wage war. I propose to continue to do so. Further engagement seems unlikely to be productive. Masalai 10:47, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redfern

Would you like some objective data to demonstrate that Redfern is a socially deprived area? Or don't Liberals acknowledge that social deprivation exists in Australia? Intelligent Mr Toad 15:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I've responded to Mr Toad on this one. cheers Michellecrisp 15:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)