Talk:Liberty City (Grand Theft Auto)

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  • The article has been lengthed significantly since October, and information about its appearances in Liberty City Stories, Advance and San Andreas have been added and deemed complete.
  • Information about Liberty City's transportation system in GTA III is complete. However, the Grand Theft Auto section may not.
  • The content's wording and tone is still considered unsatisfactory and may require experienced writers to look into and revise. A peer review is also considered. has been requested and archived.
  • The article contains old additions about locations in and around New York City that may have inspired the locations in the Grand Theft Auto III rendition of Liberty City; these contents require rewriting and verification.
  • The current size of the article is far above the recommended size (46KB from 32KB). Consider omission of information that are too specific or are not relevant to the context of the article.

To do:

  • Add map of Grand Theft Auto III Liberty City. Currently, a radar mod has a detailed and colored map that would be the most suitable candidate. However, permission may be required from the author; the image is copyrighted (2002).Wikipedia no longer allows copyright images, regardless; still suggested author to release image to public domain, and currently awaiting response. Considering use of original in-game map if author wishes not to do so. Task completed - With no response from the author, a stock map from GTA III is uploaded under fair use.
  • Add map of Grand Theft Auto Liberty City. The map from official website should be sufficient, but the image's copyright status is unknown; improved versions are also welcomed. Task complete - Map created by several programs was included.
  • Consider addition of at least one Liberty City Stories screenshot, featuring both Fort Staunton and the Callahan Bridge, or the Portland-Staunton ferries.
  • List differences of Liberty City Stories gang territories. Contents added - but may still requires knowledgeable editor to correct any mistakes.
  • List the districts of Liberty City in Grand Theft Auto. Contents added - but may still requires knowledgeable editor to correct any mistakes.

Is there proof LC is in USA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.137.211.35 (talk) 04:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


What about Liberty City is distinctly New York-ish? Most American cities have an industrial district, a downtown district, and suburbs -- I never thought of Liberty City as being a video game representation of NYC. If anything, Liberty isn't nearly as dense as the real-life NYC. 67.163.245.142 02:18, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • I've never played the game, but come on... Staunton Island?--Pharos 06:24, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • I agree with the fact that Liberty City is a very loose representation of NYC but some of the names of the districts however geographically and cronologically jumbled up they may be, the presence of bridges and subway stations, a Holland Tunnel and Central Park equivalent indicate that Rockstar intended this to be a representation of NYC. --GatesPlusPlus 18:23, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
  • In my opinion, and considering the requisites this game had to match, Liberty City IS in fact the counterpart of NYC. Look at Portland from Staunton Island, that's NY.
  • In the original GTA, Liberty City was shown taking up NY's place on the world map, just as Vice City took up Miami and San Andreas took up L.A. Its symbol was a flaming torch, a reference to the Statue of Liberty. --82.27.201.86 15:45, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Liberty City Gorillas

A search on the term using Google only produces one link: an IGN interview, circa October 2001 that mentions the American football team, among other city affairs. However, I doubt the credibility of this source, as it doesn't mention where this information came from (only "Liberty Tree" and "a discreet employee of the Mayor"). The LC Gorillas passage will be removed until a verifiable source is given. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 12:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC) ╫

[edit] El station names

Could someone provide a source of the elevated train station names? I don't recall finding them either the manual, websites or game. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 09:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC) ╫

In LCS, when you use the El Train, it says in the bottom corner the name of the station that you're at. Gold Stur 00:20, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shoreside

Shoreside Vale is the only area in the GTA world to _not_ be an island. Isn't this worth mentioning?

The Shoreside Vale section has mentioned this:

Shoreside Vale is a hilly area of the city, located on the west-most side of Liberty City, and is the only part of the city located on the mainland, with the entire area attached to a large body of land that creeps towards the north of Portland Island.

╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 12:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC) ╫

I know but its the only piece of land in the know GTA universe that isnt an island, not just in Liberty. THis seems noticable enough to mention.

I disagree. Cities in both Grand Theft Auto and Grand Theft Auto 2 are implied to be partially located on a larger body of land (in the manner of GTA III's Liberty City) and are not made out of a set of solitary islands. Parts of these cities' boundaries are also on land, not water. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 16:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC) ╫

[edit] Screenshots

How do I make screenshots from the game without having the HUD and the radar in the corners? Is there a mode to download from a website? If it so, please send in :) Thanks

go to options and turn off hud mode —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metal moe (talk • contribs)
This option is not supported in GTA games before Vice City. These particular screenshots were made possible by aiming using an M-16 (allowing me to view an area in first-person), replaying the scene (removing all HUD elements (except a blinking "Replay" text)), and print-screening the replays where the M-16 aiming is performed. It's possible to do the same for the PC versions of Vice City and San Andreas (although the existance of a camera in the latter makes the job of taking first-person screenshots so much easier). ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 08:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC) ╫

[edit] Comment added by Edsanville at 23:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

In the first list of city neighborhoods, I think somebody has confused east and west, judging by the "spoof names." Ed Sanville 23:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shoreside Vale is base off Staten Island and i can prove it!

1. Both Staten Island and Shoreside Vale have Airports. 2. Both Staten Island and Shoreside Vale have Ghettos which Witchata Gardens is simular to Ghetto areas of Staten Island. 3. Both Staten Island and Shoreside Vale have lots of Un-Used Land.

Not to be mean, but I'm sure lots of cities have "unused land." I'll admit, it's likely, though. Try to find a source and add it, if all possible. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit me § Contributions ♣ 20:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


1. Well, New Jersey has airports as well, Teterboro and Newark Liberty Airport. 2. New Jersey has ghetto's, Newark definately has ghetto's and so does Jersey City (There are ghetto's everywhere) 3. New Jersey has a lot of unused land, there is a huge piece of unused land like 1 mile west of the Hudson river. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.47.241 (talk) 22:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 9/11 comparison

This is way, way too speculative to put into the encyclopedia. Without reliable, verifiable sources, it's really just the opinion of a few editors, which is not appropriate to include. I'm going to continue to revert it unless I see sources and there emerges a strong consensus to include it. Croctotheface 08:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

-Just replay the damn mission, Its like the 9/11 of GTA, So I will continue to reversion until i get my way which i have never got. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean mc sean (talk • contribs)

Please read WP:V. Wikipedia articles need to have reliable, verifiable sources. If there is a dispute, such as this one, the burden is on the person who wants to include something to source it rather than on the person who does not want to include it. Also, your promise to edit war is not exactly within the spirit of Wikipedia. Croctotheface 00:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

-Both you and tutu can fuck off. I'm keepin' it, You 2 assholes have deleated everything that i have edit from JAZZ to pay 'n save to napoleon dynamite! I won't let you 2 assholes win this time. Block me if you will but i will be back. Sean mc Sean 00:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Just to set the record straight, I do not necessarily endorse Sean mc sean's edit when I fail to remove this 9/11 claim. The passage is very much original research due to its lack of verification, and was even initially suggesting that Rockstar North had may actually base the bombing on 9/11 (which was reworded). I will not be responsible for defending the inclusion of this passage. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 12:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC) ╫

[edit] Retcons

Retroactive continuity denotes, as the article says, "deliberately changing previously established facts in a work of serial fiction". In other words, changing established contunity retroactively. If certain issues have not been explained (such as why there are no motorcycles in LC), but then a later release explains them, that's not really a retcon. If it were, it would be the case that introducing any new fact about a fictional history is retroactive coninuity, rather than just good suspenseful writing. I don't see evidence that GTA3 presented or explained anything one way only to have LCS contradict that explanation and replace it retroactively with something else. As such, the term retcon does not apply. Croctotheface 20:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

This justification only explains half of the meaning. "Retcon" denotes both the addition "of new information to 'historical' material" or deliberate modification of "previously established facts in a work of serial fiction". While all info on GTA III prequels are additions to an existing continuity, whether or not it conflicts with information given by GTA III, it's not necessary that any new information must alter original canon to be considered retcon. The article also regards such additions as retcon. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 12:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC) ╫
If one interprets the first part of the definition as you say, then every single TV episode that makes any reference events prior to the current episode is engaging in a retcon. In this case, the business about why there are no motorcycles does not _add_ new information to historical material, it establishes a history where one did not previously exist. Croctotheface 14:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Point taken, perhaps the term is not exactly what I'm intepreting as. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 17:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC) ╫

[edit] Extra Details

The Dodo is considered too hard to fly, because it can only fly for a short period. The Rhino should work (by setting the "flying cars" cheat), but may be hard as well. If the Rhino tilts too hard, the Rhino may spin wildly, plummeting into the water, killing Claude Speed. Professional Gamer 20:26, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GTA IV rendition of Liberty City

This is probably a bit early to ask, but it's most likely better to know what to do when GTA IV is released.

The article covers the original Liberty City and the GTA III rendition in all 5 of it's appearances. The article is also quite large. When GTA IV is released information about the GTA IV rendition will have to be added to the article which will possibly make the article too long. My question is, what are we going to do? I feel we need to shorten the GTA III canon sections of the article immensely (while keeping a lot of good info of course), allowing room for GTA IV Liberty City to be added. Thoughts?

- .:Alex:. 16:33, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Would it be a good idea to remove the "Gang control" sections? They just seem to detail storyline info which doesn't seem particularly relevant to this article; this sort of info can be found at the "List of gangs..." article. Storyline info elsewhere in the article could also be cut. Dbam Talk/Contributions 18:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Keep them, but edit them so they just outline the gang control throughout the city. There's no need for storyline information in this article. I've also added some city templates (seeing as both renditions are completely different, they should be treated as such really). I also decided to use a panorama of the new rendition in the lead, as I suppose we should mainly focus on the "latest" version of the city (the other screenshots have been reused elsewhere in the article). I plan on reducing the GTA-III-canon section (especially the oversized LCS bit, and perhaps merge the transportation section into GTA III "Boroughs"), so there is more room to add info for GTA IV's city when it becomes avaliable. I'm also going to replace or remove the hideous "Ghost Town" picture and maybe tinker with the placement of some other pictures. I still need help with this, but I just felt like outlining what I plan to do. .:Alex:. 20:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I've cut down the gang control sections as suggested. Dbam Talk/Contributions 15:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

What the FUCK happend to all the pictures, there is only two left, which shithead mother fucker did it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.32.133 (talk) 21:45, 3 October 2007

The're Back.

I have to drop by after receiving the deletion messages late. For the record, I took and uploaded most the pictures removed, but the removals were still justified to an extent, given the need to comply to WP:FU (read the edit summaries in the history page). I still have the full-resolution images of all Liberty City shots uploaded onto this article prior which, if need be, could be reused in another GTA wiki, like the Grand Theft Auto Wikia or Grand Theft Wiki. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 10:43, 24 October 2007 (UTC) ╫

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:LCS Callahan.jpg

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[edit] Gang control section

I don't know what we should do about the gang control section that needs expansions. I was thinking should it be expanded or deleted? Agtax 06:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Linking Liberty City to NYC

As certain landmarks and bridges have been hyperlinked to their New York counterparts (that they were modelled after), should the same be done with the various districts that are plays on real New York areas?

e.g.

Dukes - Queens

Steinway - Astoria

Cerveza Heights - Jackson Heights

Meadows Park/Hills - Flushing Meadows/Fresh Meadows

Willis - Willets Point

East Island City - Long Island City


Broker - Brooklyn

East Hook - Red Hook

Hove Beach - Brighton Beach

and etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dc82 (talk • contribs) 16:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


Interesting idea, but not all places map to a single location. For example, you credit Cerveza Heights as mapping to Jackson Heights, which is true, but only part of it. Cerveza Heights is a combination of Corona (as in the Mexican beer, Corona, hence "cerveza") and Jackson Heights. So then the question becomes, does "Cerveza Heights" link to Jackson Heights, or Corona?
Personally, I'd favor just listing the corresponding locations, and then linking those real-world names, not the GTA name.
210.160.15.16 (talk) 20:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Also, I don't think Meadow Hills is Fresh Meadows, but Forest Hills (based on their respective positions)
210.160.15.16 (talk) 21:14, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ALDERNEY.......NEWARK OR JERSEY CITY?

The Alderney skyline is DEFINATELY based off of that of Newark, Alderney city is inland, Downtown Jersey City is just a cluster of fairly new highrises facing the Hudson River/Manhattan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark%2C_New_Jersey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.47.241 (talk) 22:12, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

No, Alderney City is based on Jersey City and the rest of Alderney is apparently based on Hudson County (I haven't gotten that far in the game so I don't know if anything else is included). I suggest you view this site which shows which buildings the designer's based the game on which includes the Exchange Place Center which is in Jersey City. It also has the Erie Lackawanna Ferry Terminal which is in Hoboken (in Hudson County). Also being directly across the river from the GTA equivalent of Manhattan implies that it is Hudson County. If it was Newark it would also contain the important landmarks like the Prudential Building and the IDT building which I see no evidence of.--Jersey Devil (talk) 05:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bolding

Not sure why all the neighborhoods and such are bolded--usually only the name of the article and any synonyms are bolded. Nareek (talk) 15:18, 23 May 2008 (UTC)