Talk:Liberalism in Canada

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[edit] Mixed Economy?

You have to be joking? The Liberal Party of Stephane Dion, Paul Martin and Jean Chretien favours and has favoured a mixed economy? Aside from some slight regulation I cannot remember any major government involvement in the economy during the 1993-2006 era, the Liberals certainly didn't undo any of the Mulroney era privatisations after 1993! They do obviously support a regulated free market economy, especially in areas regarding Co2 emmissions and now the protection of Canadian industries from foreign ownership. However they do not support a true mixed economy, say like the one Sweden or Norway possess or even Britain before 1979 possessed. A mixed economy is usually the goal of social democrats and not social liberals.

The creation of a "mixed economy" more describes the long term goal of the NDP.

(Canadianpunk77 21:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Posted on behalf of 66.35.172.123

This was erroneously placed in the article: savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 21:03, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

(Note: This article has to be cleaned up. Canada contained two liberalisms. Until the 1960s, it was dominated by classical liberalism: individual liberty, free markets, and small government. From the 1960s onward, it was welfare liberal: social freedom, market economy, welfare state. Pierre Trudeau and Wilfred Laurier have very little in common ideologically.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.35.172.123 (talk • contribs) .

I've cleaned up the section to reflect my criticism. Thanks for posting the message on my behalf. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.35.172.123 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Liberalism in Canadian History

"The second liberalism began, roughly, in the 1960s with the election of Lester B. Pearson as leader of the Liberal Party of Canada and can be traced through the politics of Pierre Trudeau, Joe Clark, and Paul Martin."

Seeing as how Joe Clark was a Progressive Conservative, is there a reason he is included in this section? The P.C. party of the time embraced the welfare state just like the Liberals, however perhaps Jean Chretien would be a better exemplar of welfare liberalism than an avowed Tory like Clark. What do you guys think? User:Wyldkat

I added the qualifier that Joe Clark was in fact considered a red Tory, with appropriate links to the appropriate articles. User:Scientz

[edit] Classical Liberalism vs. Libertarianism

There is a very distinct difference between classical liberalism and libertarianism.

Libertarianism stresses small government and complete liberty of the individual with really no social responsibility of the government.

Classical liberalism believes in social responsibility of the government. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.109.135.132 (talk) 04:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] History

Could you please provide sources. I have never heard the Constitution Act 1791 or the Loyalists described as liberal, nor that ideas of "free markets" or "individual liberty" were commonly understood, let alone accepted in 18th century Canada. The phrase "North American ideals" is also problematic.

I think that most scholars would trace the origins of liberalism to the parti rouge and the reformers.

Incidentally, I changed the term "responsible" to "representative". Responsible government only occured following the Durham Report. --The Four Deuces (talk) 19:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC)