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Too many names - there are eight! Must we make such a feast about his names? Mandel 22:10, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 treaty of Shimonoseki 2 there should be more about Li. 3 Postnominals 4 Is this character Jet Li in the 2007 movie 'The Warlords'?

[edit] treaty of Shimonoseki

there is no mention of his role as negotiator here, or of his attempted assasination on 24 march 1895 which resulted in the treaty terms being altered... :-/ --Aep 06:35, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] there should be more about Li.

it is Li who promoted Yuan Shikai who was a key figure in the political stage in the following two to three decades.

what is needed to add is Li's attitude towards Qing Court and his attitude towards outside world and revolution even though he gained his fame and position through suppressing rebellion; it should be awared that some revolutions in the late stage of Qing is totally different from ones before because they have fundamentally right perception of the constitute of a state.

i have watched "towards the republic", and i think it is a comparably unbiased art work in China. there are more detail about Li, such as his most often used name is "shaoquan" besides Li Hongzhang.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tunhu (talk • contribs)

As you are undoubtedly aware of, Towards the Republic is a work of art and not necessarily a reliable source on Li Hongzhang. If you want to improve the article, you should read a couple of academic works on Li and integrate that into the text.--Niohe 13:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Postnominals

British postnominals are only used by British/Commonwealth people within their own countries. The KBE after Donald Tsang is relevant because he was awarded his KBE as a British citizen, and Hong Kong continues to use the British postnominal system for HK issued awards. (Tsang and the HKSAR do not use KBE, but display JP and GBM as postnominals.) China, like America, does not use postnominals. British awards for subjects in which Britain is not directly and visibly relevant are out of place.

It would be more helpful and informative if we could 1) provide citation for this award 2) indicate the time, place, and circumstance which this award was given. I really don't see what postnominals accomplish. --Jiang 01:17, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I just want to begin by thanking you for doing the redirect on Xuantong.

I don't want to make a big fuss out of this, but I don't think we should apply twentieth century logic to nineteenth century people. As far as I know, in the nineteenth century, you would list all titles of a person in a biographical entry, regardless where the person came from.

As for when and where Li got his GCVO, this is what I came up with:

"... Britain began in the 1890s to use honours as a way of gaining influence over Chinese politicians. For example, in 1896, Queen Victoria bestowed the Grand Cross of the Victorian Order (GCVO) on the leading Chinese statesman, Li Hung-chang. Then in the following year, the leading figures in China’s delegation to the queen’s jubilee also became recipients of British decorations, a privilege that was notably denied to Arisugawa and Ito (Kimizuka 2000: 41). "Antony Best, "Race, Monarchy, and the Anglo-Japanese Alliance, 1902–1922," Social Science Japan Journal 2006 9(2):171-186

Would this suffice, or do you want me to dig deeper?--Niohe 01:40, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Added in the reference in the text. I've seen British texts published in the 20th century listing all the author's degrees, titles, awards, and decorations after his name on the title page, but I've never seen it done this way in an American text. American texts tend to limit the listing to professional degrees, licenses, and associations for relevant scholarly works. The 1911 EB doesn't list any postnominals, even for British people. --Jiang 01:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I think you are a bit strict, but fair enough. Thanks for adding the reference!--Niohe 01:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is this character Jet Li in the 2007 movie 'The Warlords'?

Is this character Jet Li in the 2007 movie 'The Warlords'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dagvadorj (talk • contribs) 09:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)